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Jun 14, 2019 08:28:30   #
Stephan G
 
rook2c4 wrote:
In the right hands and with the right attitude, a camera phone can do amazing stuff.

While visiting a friend, I noticed some truly amazing framed 16x20 landscape photos mounted on his walls. Better than the vast majority of the landscape images I see posted here on UHH. When I asked my friend where he purchased the photographs, he said his wife took all of the pictures on their recent trip to California. To my surprise, I then found out that these images were all captured with a smartphone camera. At up close inspection I could see that there wasn't much fine detail in the prints - as expected. But at normal viewing distance, those details don't really matter... you wouldn't see them anyway, even if they had been there.

I think many photographers have such low expectations of what their smartphone cameras can do, they don't even try to do anything beyond snapshots with it, then accept the resulting images as evidence that the smartphone is not usable for anything but throwaway snapshots. Of course the phone camera has limitations, but if one takes the time and effort to learn how to work within those limitations, one will soon discover that the phone camera is absolutely capable of generating more than snapshots. Particularly if one installs additional apps on the device which can further expand the features of the camera, such as control over shutter speed, ISO and aperture settings.
In the right hands and with the right attitude, a ... (show quote)


I've come across a term that seems to peg the issue. "Smartphone Envy".

"but if one takes the time and effort to learn how to work within those limitations". That last word, "limitations", explains why I work with an actual camera to take my shots. It can be said that a house can be built with a smartphone if one has the 'app' for it. Personally, I'd prefer to use the right equipment to build the house.

Bottom line, one uses the appropriate tool to achieve the desired goal.

As the sculptor might say, "Why do I need the hammer and chisels? I have a smartphone with an 'App'!"


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Jun 14, 2019 08:56:59   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Stephan G wrote:
I've come across a term that seems to peg the issue. "Smartphone Envy".

"but if one takes the time and effort to learn how to work within those limitations". That last word, "limitations", explains why I work with an actual camera to take my shots. It can be said that a house can be built with a smartphone if one has the 'app' for it. Personally, I'd prefer to use the right equipment to build the house.

Bottom line, one uses the appropriate tool to achieve the desired goal.

As the sculptor might say, "Why do I need the hammer and chisels? I have a smartphone with an 'App'!"

I've come across a term that seems to peg the issu... (show quote)


" Using the APPROPRIATE " tool for the job is exactly why SO many folks use their phone cam.... It DOES what they want to do ! What U or I want to do is a very small percentage of what the avg. folks want and need. Factor out the geriatric crowd and the professionals and we have to a VERY large percentage of folks who are perfectly satisfied with the convenience and quality of their phone cams. As far as Apps are concerned. WHERE is the internal CAMERA APP that helps me produce a better capture. WHERE is the two way SD slot ? WHERE is the embedded Manuel in ROM memory in case you need a lookup in the field ? Yes. I know, the purist still wants to start his car with a crank. The SAME folks that carped about Film/Digital are the same folks that carped about DSLR/Mirrorless and are now carping about Real cameras/phone cams. I think maybe a section for Pin Hole cameras would be appropriate for the die hards.

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Jun 14, 2019 09:24:41   #
Stephan G
 
MrBob wrote:
" Using the APPROPRIATE " tool for the job is exactly why SO many folks use their phone cam.... It DOES what they want to do ! What U or I want to do is a very small percentage of what the avg. folks want and need. Factor out the geriatric crowd and the professionals and we have to a VERY large percentage of folks who are perfectly satisfied with the convenience and quality of their phone cams. As far as Apps are concerned. WHERE is the internal CAMERA APP that helps me produce a better capture. WHERE is the two way SD slot ? WHERE is the embedded Manuel in ROM memory in case you need a lookup in the field ? Yes. I know, the purist still wants to start his car with a crank. The SAME folks that carped about Film/Digital are the same folks that carped about DSLR/Mirrorless and are now carping about Real cameras/phone cams. I think maybe a section for Pin Hole cameras would be appropriate for the die hards.
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It is not the tool on hand that creates. It is the hand on the tool that creates.

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Jun 14, 2019 12:45:22   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Stephan G wrote:
It is not the tool on hand that creates. It is the hand on the tool that creates.


I agree Steve, but sometimes it would be nice having that tool available.

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Jun 14, 2019 14:27:32   #
Brian Hartnell Loc: Marinette WI
 
It is handy to have a cell phone for those grab shots but know the ppi quality of a larger sensor on any digital camera will beat the pants off those best cell phones out there if your looking for ultra fine detail. Which I am! Also like to use all kinds of specialty lenses, macro rings, and special effects which are easier to do with a camera that offers more physical control over all facets of exposure than a cell phone. Cell phones can do wonders in the right hands but the average person lacks the knowledge to push their cell phone to that better quality. I will stick with a camera thank you.

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Jun 14, 2019 15:11:48   #
Rrmaas
 
Something that no one has mentioned yet....the speed of taking a quick "grab shot". My camera for traveling is a Panasonic DMC TZ7, which hangs around my neck all the time. If I see a shot that can't wait I can have the camera turned on and the picture taken (one handed if necessary) before anyone else could have their phone turned on. And since I worked with a manual camera in the film days, I know when an exposure adjustment is necessary so I can very quickly adjust the exposure 1 or 2 f-stops before the iPhone guy can select the camera app on his phone.

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Jun 14, 2019 20:26:54   #
SENSORLOUPE
 
rmalarz wrote:
If all I wanted was pictures, an iphone would be sufficient. I tend to want to make photographs. For that, a camera is required.
--Bob


I agree!

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Jun 14, 2019 21:04:20   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
I am sorry to say this but those who are crowing about the superiority of the camera camera over a phone camera for me, bring up a mental image of a cat licking itself.

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Jun 15, 2019 09:37:16   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Rrmaas wrote:
Something that no one has mentioned yet....the speed of taking a quick "grab shot". My camera for traveling is a Panasonic DMC TZ7, which hangs around my neck all the time. If I see a shot that can't wait I can have the camera turned on and the picture taken (one handed if necessary) before anyone else could have their phone turned on. And since I worked with a manual camera in the film days, I know when an exposure adjustment is necessary so I can very quickly adjust the exposure 1 or 2 f-stops before the iPhone guy can select the camera app on his phone.
Something that no one has mentioned yet....the spe... (show quote)

With my LG cell phone just double pressing a button on the side with the phone off, brings up the camera. Takes about a second or 2 from pocket to clicking a picture, and I don't need a camera hanging around my neck. I don't like my camera hanging around my neck even when taking pictures with it, which has been less and less often as I enjoy the cell phone pics. Both have their place, but cells place is rapidly growing.

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Jun 17, 2019 21:38:48   #
Robert M Loc: Clifton, NJ
 
I agree with Don completely.....When I got my Samsung S7, I retired my Canon S90 P & S and use my phone or my Canon Mark 5. However, you use what you wish!

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Jun 29, 2019 20:18:10   #
Rrmaas
 
Back in the film camera days I carried a camera to work everyday and was often asked to take photos of special events or situations. I got the shots because I had the camera. Now with cell phones in everyone's' hands I don't enjoy the advantage anymore. What I have retained from the 35 mm days is that I'm always seeing photo opportunities.

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Jul 5, 2019 08:05:14   #
Tomcat5133 Loc: Gladwyne PA
 
Nothing has changes. My daughter gave us a party recently for our 50th anniversary.
Everyone got together not a big group and the cell phones came out. I said their is not enough
light on us standing and seating. We need to face the light or come out of the back porch. where the light
would be behind the shooter at shaded bit by the cover. Well the shot is awful the only one we have
had in a long time. I just smiled and enjoyed the moment.
I am pretty good photographer and videographer. But I trip all over myself when i
try to take a smart phone shot. My daughter is great with the cell phone wouldnt
even know where a shutter is on my cameras. Go figure.

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Jul 7, 2019 16:26:13   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Rrmaas wrote:
Back in the film camera days I carried a camera to work everyday and was often asked to take photos of special events or situations. I got the shots because I had the camera. Now with cell phones in everyone's' hands I don't enjoy the advantage anymore. What I have retained from the 35 mm days is that I'm always seeing photo opportunities.


I carry my camera to work and I often get a photo opportunity and I since I have my camera I can use the camera and not my "sell" phone.

Nothing wrong with the phone cameras, they are great. However I have more creative options with the dedicated camera and most people prefer the dedicated phone camera over the phone camera when given a choice.

The downside is the older cameras can't share instantly. That is one advantage a phone camera has over a dedicated camera.

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Jul 7, 2019 16:34:19   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Tomcat5133 wrote:
Nothing has changes. My daughter gave us a party recently for our 50th anniversary.
Everyone got together not a big group and the cell phones came out. I said their is not enough
light on us standing and seating. We need to face the light or come out of the back porch. where the light
would be behind the shooter at shaded bit by the cover. Well the shot is awful the only one we have
had in a long time. I just smiled and enjoyed the moment.
I am pretty good photographer and videographer. But I trip all over myself when i
try to take a smart phone shot. My daughter is great with the cell phone wouldnt
even know where a shutter is on my cameras. Go figure.
Nothing has changes. My daughter gave us a party r... (show quote)


Yes Photography is to paint with light. Phone cameras need light.

Ha ha Tomcat I think you are thinking too much. Just point and shoot the cell phone camera. Thats all that is needed.

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