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May 5, 2019 09:03:11   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Obamacare was supposed to provide healthcare for all. The only problem was that too many people decided that it was cheaper to pay the IRS penalty than to get health insurance. SO....Medicare for all is that bandaid for that problem. Since people are not going to be responsible....let's just give it away.

My daughter and her husband, both deaf, bought health insurance from the first day they were married. Although there was a time that they built up credit card debt because of family expenses, they paid for health insurance. He bought private insurance. Thankfully at that time it was about half the cost before the ACA kicked in.

I know that the ACA is affordable for the poor because my sister got it for $134/mo.

The government has already made healthcare available for all.....we don't need to jam it down their throats if they're not responsible enough to get it.

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May 5, 2019 09:14:42   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
My health insurance four years ago cost $28,000 per year for a family of three. The Trump administration has been chipping away at Obamacare making it harder for poor people to get the subsidy, and many states did not accept the Medicare expansion. While a significant part of the ACA was to combat fraud, there have been no real steps to lower costs. And NO threat to Big Pharma. Example of that: An Advair inhaler (and Symbicort, Spiriva, etc), which has been around for decades, is strangely STILL under patent and so costs over $300 per month. In Canada the same brand-name inhaler is $100 per month, but they have allowed generics for years - the cost for a generic is about $35 per month.

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May 5, 2019 09:22:11   #
Angmo
 
SteveR wrote:
Obamacare was supposed to provide healthcare for all. The only problem was that too many people decided that it was cheaper to pay the IRS penalty than to get health insurance. SO....Medicare for all is that bandaid for that problem. Since people are not going to be responsible....let's just give it away.

My daughter and her husband, both deaf, bought health insurance from the first day they were married. Although there was a time that they built up credit card debt because of family expenses, they paid for health insurance. He bought private insurance. Thankfully at that time it was about half the cost before the ACA kicked in.

I know that the ACA is affordable for the poor because my sister got it for $134/mo.

The government has already made healthcare available for all.....we don't need to jam it down their throats if they're not responsible enough to get it.
Obamacare was supposed to provide healthcare for a... (show quote)


It’s ok for the poor but harmful to most everyone else. Most healthcare companies have run from it these days.

I show folks what they can do now since there’s no more penalties. They can save a bundle on healthcare these days.

This “Medicare for all” is a leftie scam and lie. Medicare is paid for all the years a person works. It ain’t no freebie. Then part B is $135.50 a month. Then get a supplement of your choice to cover the 20% Medicare doesn’t cover. $50-300ish per month for that for around 10 choices of coverage.

Nothings free. Socialism is sucks money from all and kills. Look at Venezuela. Maduro’s driver is a filthy rich billionaire. The money is gone. The folks are in the streets protesting against what lefties in my country desire.

Venezuelans are desperate for food and water. That can be you.

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May 5, 2019 09:52:20   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
The price of medical insurance and care today is the last step in robbing the elderly of every cent they have remaining. After working a lifetime and paying into social security during the whole time people should be medically taken care of for their latter years. That means getting Medicare benefits earlier in life than what they are now. Lets say at age 55 or 60. Because medical prices are not regulated, providers are allowed to charge anything they want for their services. Doctors and hospitals don't like Medicare because they are limited on what they can charge and what services they will pay for. Medicare for all was almost instituted in the 1960's but was stopped by lobbying from the medical community. Its time the entry age for Medicare coverage be expanded for our seniors.

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May 5, 2019 10:19:54   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Every civilized country in the world provides universal healthcare for their citizens.
Don't you find it odd that the United States can't find money to provide healthcare but we've got plenty of money to fight wars for the oil companies?

In February the Pentagon said that the war in Afghanistan cost $841 Billion a year.
Maybe we should just stop a war that was billed as "Mission Accomplished" in 2003.

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May 5, 2019 12:20:05   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
When I hear "Medicare for all" I hear Government control of healthcare. CONTROL!! I for 1 do not want the federal gov't to have this kind of control. The federal gov't must NOT have control of who gets what kind of health care. Moreover it is not constitutional.

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May 5, 2019 14:02:28   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
Mr. boberic So what's wrong with extending the period of age making more people eligible for Medicare. I have no complaints about my Medicare coverage and how it is administrated. If you don't want it, don't sign up for it. If you want your own policy, just get it. If your like those who are 55 plus and can't afford $900 to $1400 and more, have lost their jobs and out of savings, medicare coverage might allow you to keep your house and stay off the streets after a life time of work. I'm happy for you, Mr. boberic, if you are so financially affluent as to not be concerned about who pays for your medical bills. The people I know in your position have either been doctors or government workers or military. The military have earned it, but so should those workers who made the arms, ammunition, uniforms, tanks, ect... Its time we take care of our seniors. Isn't it interesting that we provide medical to people who have never paid into social security, refused employment and poor, but not to the seniors who have worked all their life, been responsible citizens, and at an age and position that they have no medical coverage. Shame on us.

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May 5, 2019 15:26:44   #
Angmo
 
Leon S wrote:
Mr. boberic So what's wrong with extending the period of age making more people eligible for Medicare. I have no complaints about my Medicare coverage and how it is administrated. If you don't want it, don't sign up for it. If you want your own policy, just get it. If your like those who are 55 plus and can't afford $900 to $1400 and more, have lost their jobs and out of savings, medicare coverage might allow you to keep your house and stay off the streets after a life time of work. I'm happy for you, Mr. boberic, if you are so financially affluent as to not be concerned about who pays for your medical bills. The people I know in your position have either been doctors or government workers or military. The military have earned it, but so should those workers who made the arms, ammunition, uniforms, tanks, ect... Its time we take care of our seniors. Isn't it interesting that we provide medical to people who have never paid into social security, refused employment and poor, but not to the seniors who have worked all their life, been responsible citizens, and at an age and position that they have no medical coverage. Shame on us.
Mr. boberic So what's wrong with extending the ... (show quote)


Ive provided healthcare for a mom and kid for $400. Pointless to spend $1,000 for crap ACA. They love it! Freedom!!

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May 5, 2019 15:43:58   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Angmo wrote:
Ive provided healthcare for a mom and kid for $400. Pointless to spend $1,000 for crap ACA. They love it! Freedom!!


When? 1952?

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May 5, 2019 16:09:12   #
Angmo
 
Frank T wrote:
When? 1952?


A few weeks ago. I help people. Not hurt them like ACA does. They are very happy they’re covered.

Not 60% covered like the bronze plan. After $15,000 out of pocket first.

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May 5, 2019 17:52:53   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Leon S wrote:
Mr. boberic So what's wrong with extending the period of age making more people eligible for Medicare. I have no complaints about my Medicare coverage and how it is administrated. If you don't want it, don't sign up for it. If you want your own policy, just get it. If your like those who are 55 plus and can't afford $900 to $1400 and more, have lost their jobs and out of savings, medicare coverage might allow you to keep your house and stay off the streets after a life time of work. I'm happy for you, Mr. boberic, if you are so financially affluent as to not be concerned about who pays for your medical bills. The people I know in your position have either been doctors or government workers or military. The military have earned it, but so should those workers who made the arms, ammunition, uniforms, tanks, ect... Its time we take care of our seniors. Isn't it interesting that we provide medical to people who have never paid into social security, refused employment and poor, but not to the seniors who have worked all their life, been responsible citizens, and at an age and position that they have no medical coverage. Shame on us.
Mr. boberic So what's wrong with extending the ... (show quote)


Currently Medicare iS a voluntary program. It is not forced upon anybody(although contribution to FICA is) When or if a medicare for all is passed it will be forced upon the population. Private health insurance companies will end. The federal gov't will then be incharge of who gets care and who does not. I do not want that kind of power in the hands of only about 600 people (congress). And please show me axactly where the constitution gives a central gov't that power.

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May 5, 2019 18:16:39   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Angmo wrote:
A few weeks ago. I help people. Not hurt them like ACA does. They are very happy they’re covered.

Not 60% covered like the bronze plan. After $15,000 out of pocket first.


So what does this plan cover?
Seriously, tell us what you sold this guy.

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May 5, 2019 21:37:18   #
Angmo
 
Frank T wrote:
So what does this plan cover?
Seriously, tell us what you sold this guy.


What was needed. What was suitable for the client.

I ran the plan against a major surgery

$500,000
In network price: $275,000
Surgery In hospital, ICU then Rehab.

Total out of pocket $1,000

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ACA Bronze. 60/40. Assume same network price.

Out of pocket - North of $120,000

Obakapig care SUX unless you’re subsidized then it SUX a little less.

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May 5, 2019 22:40:22   #
Leon S Loc: Minnesota
 
boberic wrote:
Currently Medicare iS a voluntary program. It is not forced upon anybody(although contribution to FICA is) When or if a medicare for all is passed it will be forced upon the population. Private health insurance companies will end. The federal gov't will then be incharge of who gets care and who does not. I do not want that kind of power in the hands of only about 600 people (congress). And please show me axactly where the constitution gives a central gov't that power.


Social Security was passed in 1935 under the New Deal while Rossevelt was President. Medicare was passed in 1965 under the Johnson presidency which was actually a Humphry initiated bill. Both acts of Congress and both have stood up under court challenge. Dropping the eligibility age to 55 or 60 would only require an amendment to the law.

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May 5, 2019 23:42:03   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
SteveR wrote:
Obamacare was supposed to provide healthcare for all. The only problem was that too many people decided that it was cheaper to pay the IRS penalty than to get health insurance. SO....Medicare for all is that bandaid for that problem. Since people are not going to be responsible....let's just give it away.

My daughter and her husband, both deaf, bought health insurance from the first day they were married. Although there was a time that they built up credit card debt because of family expenses, they paid for health insurance. He bought private insurance. Thankfully at that time it was about half the cost before the ACA kicked in.

I know that the ACA is affordable for the poor because my sister got it for $134/mo.

The government has already made healthcare available for all.....we don't need to jam it down their throats if they're not responsible enough to get it.
Obamacare was supposed to provide healthcare for a... (show quote)


Medicare for all is more like healthcare for none.... fewer doctors more patients, free means that there will be rationing because the system will be abused and won't be able to keep up, just ask a Canadian how that works.

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