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Jan 3, 2019 20:40:09   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
hondo812 wrote:
But I thought you LIKED Obama?


You go too far. No rational person can accuse Obama of incompetence or corruption. None.

You may disagree with his policies or his politics; that is allowed. But the rest, never.

This is particularly so within the context of Donald Truunp, mafia thug incapable of honesty or competence, dishonest to the zenith of dishonesty, too incompetent to understand any issues, in the bag and taking orders from Vladimir Putin, on the take from Xi, laughed at and played with by Kim! sexual deviate and molester, racist and mysoginist, master of ten thousand lies and even more blather, and finally producer of the most incompetent and dishonest cabinet in American History!

And you dare to question Obama!

You make yourself look foolish.

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Jan 4, 2019 02:33:53   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
dirtpusher wrote:


Yes those walls certainly work well as demonstrated in the video. šŸ˜‚ Electronic surveillance i.e. more listening devices and more infiltration of drug cartels and their methods is what's really needed not a childish solution like a wall.

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Jan 4, 2019 04:11:55   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Itā€™s pretty obvious he isnā€™t fit. I donā€™t think that is the question. I think the question before begunning an impeachment should be will the country be better or worse of for going through the impeachment. There is a lot goes into figuring that out and right now I have no idea. Investigations need to continue.

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Jan 4, 2019 08:00:49   #
foodie65
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well...he did.

The most corrupt, incompetent, dishonest, treasonous administration in American History....



And those are the good qualities of the White House resident

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Jan 4, 2019 09:45:09   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Twardlow wrote:
You go too far. No rational person can accuse Obama of incompetence or corruption. None.

You may disagree with his policies or his politics; that is allowed. But the rest, never.

This is particularly so within the context of Donald Truunp, mafia thug incapable of honesty or competence, dishonest to the zenith of dishonesty, too incompetent to understand any issues, in the bag and taking orders from Vladimir Putin, on the take from Xi, laughed at and played with by Kim! sexual deviate and molester, racist and mysoginist, master of ten thousand lies and even more blather, and finally producer of the most incompetent and dishonest cabinet in American History!

And you dare to question Obama!

You make yourself look foolish.
You go too far. No rational person can accuse Oba... (show quote)


Were you genuflecting as you were typing this?

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Jan 4, 2019 12:48:40   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
hondo812 wrote:
Were you genuflecting as you were typing this?


Well, there you go. Again.

I stand behind the post and let it go as that.

You ask a question which seeks no knowledge or understanding, and doesnā€™t make a point. You just want to hear yourself talk.

Why donā€™t you say something or ask something in which someone or the other of us grows or learns?

Instead you ply these bullshit questions which donā€™t even deserve an answer just to be amazed by yourself, amazed to hear your own voice.

I wasnā€™t amazed.

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Jan 7, 2019 18:35:23   #
hondo812 Loc: Massachusetts
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, there you go. Again.

I stand behind the post and let it go as that.

You ask a question which seeks no knowledge or understanding, and doesnā€™t make a point. You just want to hear yourself talk.

Why donā€™t you say something or ask something in which someone or the other of us grows or learns?

Instead you ply these bullshit questions which donā€™t even deserve an answer just to be amazed by yourself, amazed to hear your own voice.

I wasnā€™t amazed.


Just a response to your "over the top" lovenote about Obama.

Of course Obama can be criticized. So can Trump. And so has every president in the last 150 years.

Mr. 57 states wasn't the brightest one ever elected that's for sure. Neither is Trump.

Was either qualified prior to being elected?

Obama had been a community organizer, a state senator, and a US senator. While the latter 2 obviously incorporate legislating they do not incorporate skills of an executive.

Trump spent the last several decades as head of his own company. I'm not sure where else you'd look in the private sector for someone with executive skills than head of an enormous well functioning company.

I mean, we all know the best Presidents that come from the public sector were governors. They were already doing the job albeit on a smaller scale. They can make decisions.

Senators or Congressmen? They have committees for that and that's fine. That's their job, to carry out the voice of the People. Some do it better than others.

So decision making...ask the parents of James Foley about Obama's decision making...dragging out his decision for nearly a month and then after getting the news he'd been beheaded spends 5 minutes in front of the cameras saying how disturbing this was and then laughs his way to the golf course. Obama suffered from paralysis by analysis. I guess he wasn't ready to "negotiate" with terrorists. Didn't stop him from dropping $150 Billion in cash to terrorist state Iran.... but hey...potAto - potahto.

Ask servicemen about Trump's decision making. He still manged to get the Coast Guard paid didin't he? He sent troops to the southern border knowing it would not be universally popular.

Both men are polarizing figures. Obama for being a detached pseudo-intellectual (smartest man in the room...hahahaaa) and Trump for essentially pirating the presidency from Hillary.

We are 2 years in on Trump. He had his tax cuts, runaway stock market, jobs, jobs, and a sh!tload more jobs.

Obama had Cash for Clunkers where he suggested everyone buy a foreign car.

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Jan 7, 2019 20:08:04   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, there you go. Again.

I stand behind the post and let it go as that.

You ask a question which seeks no knowledge or understanding, and doesnā€™t make a point. You just want to hear yourself talk.

Why donā€™t you say something or ask something in which someone or the other of us grows or learns?

Instead you ply these bullshit questions which donā€™t even deserve an answer just to be amazed by yourself, amazed to hear your own voice.

I wasnā€™t amazed.


He only interested in being arrogant

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Jan 7, 2019 22:10:05   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Twardlow wrote:
Is Trump Fit to Serve as President?

by BooManā€ØWed Jan 2nd, 2019 at 02:44:01 PM EST


As I detailed earlier, Mitt Romney has had some unflattering things to say about President Trump, including that he is ā€œvery, very not smart,ā€ and that heā€™s a ā€œconman,ā€ ā€œa fake,ā€ and ā€œa fraud.ā€ But heā€™s hardly alone in negatively assessing the presidentā€™s intelligence and character. In fact, those in the best positions to observe him seem to be unanimous on these points.

The most important and prestigious cabinet positions are the ones that oversee our military, our diplomacy and our economy. Hereā€™s how Trumpā€™s initial appointments for those positions have graded their boss:

Secretary of Defense James Mattis ā€“ Trump has the understanding of a ā€œfifth or sixth grader.ā€

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson ā€“ ā€œTrump is a ā€œf*cking moron.ā€

Secretary of Treasury Steve Mnuchin ā€“ Trump is ā€œan idiot.ā€

No one works more closely with a president than their chief of staff. Trump is now on his third CoS in less than two years. Hereā€™s what they have had to say about him.

First chief of staff Reince Priebus ā€“ Trump is ā€œan idiot.ā€

Second chief of staff John Kelly ā€“ Trump is a ā€œf*cking idiot.ā€

Third chief of staff Mick Mulvaney ā€“ Trump is ā€œa terrible human being.ā€

For good measure, former deputy chief of staff Katie Walsh has said that ā€œ[Working with Trump is] like trying to figure out what a child wants.ā€

After chief of staff, the National Security Adviser is the most influential aide in the West Wing. Hereā€™s what Trumpā€™s second National Security Advisor H.R. McMasterĀ said about Trump: heā€™sĀ an ā€œidiotā€ and a ā€œdopeā€ with the intelligence of a ā€œkindergartner.ā€
Hereā€™s the assessment of Gary Cohn, the presidentā€™sĀ first Director of the National Economic Council who also served as the Trumpā€™s chief economic advisor: Trump is ā€œdumb as sh*t,ā€ ā€œan idiot surrounded by clowns,ā€ Ā ā€œa professional liar,ā€ andĀ ā€œless a person than a collection of terrible traits.ā€

Hereā€™s former White House Chief Strategist and Senior Counselor to the PresidentĀ Steve Bannon: ā€œ[Trump is]Ā like an 11-year-old child.ā€

Another person who worked closely with Trump was his lead lawyer in defending against the Russia probe. John DowdĀ stepped down, however, after concluding that the president is ā€œan effing liar.ā€

Of these close advisers to the president, only Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin is still in his post. The rest either quit or were forced out. Of course, Trump fired his first FBI director whose opinion of Trump is that heā€™s indistinguishable from a mob boss. Trump also fired his first attorney general, and I donā€™t imagine that Jeff Sessions would be a good character witness for the president.

When you put all these comments beside each other, itā€™s clear that Donald Trump suffers from some kind of arrested development. The theme that he has a childlike mentality is constantly reiterated. Ā The other main points are that heā€™s a gigantic liar and an extremely bad person.

Even some of the people formerly most loyal to Trump, like his lawyer/fixer Michael Cohen and his former Director of Communications for the Office of Public Liaison, Omarosa Manigault Newman, have come out in the last year to give unsparing criticisms on these points.

ASo, as we start the new year, we should anticipate that eventually the U.S. Senate (now including Mitt Romney) will have to decide if Trump is fit to serve in the highest office in the land. Even before we get to see the report from Robert Mueller, I think the evidence is in from the people in the best position to know.

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Absolutely NO!

Time to enforce the 25th Amendment!

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Jan 7, 2019 23:33:45   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
hondo812 wrote:
Just a response to your "over the top" lovenote about Obama.

Of course Obama can be criticized. So can Trump. And so has every president in the last 150 years.

Mr. 57 states wasn't the brightest one ever elected that's for sure. Neither is Trump.

Was either qualified prior to being elected?

Obama had been a community organizer, a state senator, and a US senator. While the latter 2 obviously incorporate legislating they do not incorporate skills of an executive.

Trump spent the last several decades as head of his own company. I'm not sure where else you'd look in the private sector for someone with executive skills than head of an enormous well functioning company.

I mean, we all know the best Presidents that come from the public sector were governors. They were already doing the job albeit on a smaller scale. They can make decisions.

Senators or Congressmen? They have committees for that and that's fine. That's their job, to carry out the voice of the People. Some do it better than others. [?????]

So decision making...ask the parents of James Foley about Obama's decision making...dragging out his decision for nearly a month and then after getting the news he'd been beheaded spends 5 minutes in front of the cameras saying how disturbing this was and then laughs his way to the golf course. Obama suffered from paralysis by analysis. I guess he wasn't ready to "negotiate" with terrorists. Didn't stop him from dropping $150 Billion in cash to terrorist state Iran.... but hey...potAto - potahto.

Ask servicemen about Trump's decision making. He still manged to get the Coast Guard paid didin't he? He sent troops to the southern border knowing it would not be universally popular.

Both men are polarizing figures. Obama for being a detached pseudo-intellectual (smartest man in the room...hahahaaa) and Trump for essentially pirating the presidency from Hillary.

We are 2 years in on Trump. He had his tax cuts, runaway stock market, jobs, jobs, and a sh!tload more jobs.

Obama had Cash for Clunkers where he suggested everyone buy a foreign car.
Just a response to your "over the top" l... (show quote)




Letā€™s try to keep this discussion within the bounds of honesty and responsibility. I think things will go better if we do.

For example, I never said you couldnā€™t criticize Obamaā€™s politics or his policies. As a matter of fact, I specifically said you could:

ā€œYou go too far. No rational person can accuse Obama of incompetence or corruption. None.

You may disagree with his policies or his politics; that is allowed. But the rest, never.ā€

What I said, if you read carefully, is that No Oneā€”Not Even Youā€”can attack his competence or his honesty.

You try to tune the conversation to something entirely different, and that ainā€™t kosher.

Iā€™m not going to argue IQ with you, as I have no specific information to specify. Obama is a smart man, and if you deny that you make yourself look foolish. Was he qualified before he was elected? Of course he was.

Iā€™m not going to list his legal background, his community service or his government experience. He had better qualifications than most candidates, and I wonā€™t even embarrass you listing Trumpā€™s weaknesses other than to quote someone else who said Donā€™s father gave him $400 million to start out, and he soon ended up $900 million in the hole.

ā€œObama had been a community organizer, a state senator, and a US senator. While the latter 2 obviously incorporate legislating they do not incorporate skills of an executive.ā€

I canā€™t think of much better background in politics than ā€˜community organizer.ā€™

What did Trumpā€™s ā€œexecutiveā€ background give him. Heā€™s a disaster as an executive. Executive time!!!

He has absolutely no understanding of negotiation, absolutely no executive ability, his selection of personnel (when said personnel would agree to work for him) is pitiful, and he knows absolutely nothing about law or government.


ā€œI mean, we all know the best Presidents that come from the public sector were governors. They were already doing the job albeit on a smaller scale. They can make decisions.ā€

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, how about Abraham Lincoln? Harry Truman? George Washington? Thomas Jefferson?


You donā€™t know what went on about Foley. Silly example.

And you have a lot of nerve even mentioning ā€œGolf Courseā€ in this context.

The $150 billion was Iranā€™s money. Obama didnā€™t drop anything. Letā€™s keep the honesty thing going, OK?

He Got The Coast Guard Paid??? Really? Putin probably thought it was a good idea.

In the Mid-terms, the republicans were ashamed of the tax cuts, hardly mentioned themā€”turned to lying about how they were going to save Obamacare!!

OK. Iā€™ll give you sending the troops to the border wasnā€™t universally popular, didnā€™t accomplish anything even though it was illegal.

Thatā€™s a pretty weak point.

Runaway stock markets??? Have you looked recently? You better reconsider your debate strategy.

You set yourself up with a pretty weak position, defending trump.

Heā€™ll never finish the year....

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Jan 8, 2019 05:44:06   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Twardlow wrote:
Letā€™s try to keep this discussion within the bounds of honesty and responsibility. I think things will go better if we do.

For example, I never said you couldnā€™t criticize Obamaā€™s politics or his policies. As a matter of fact, I specifically said you could:

ā€œYou go too far. No rational person can accuse Obama of incompetence or corruption. None.

You may disagree with his policies or his politics; that is allowed. But the rest, never.ā€

What I said, if you read carefully, is that No Oneā€”Not Even Youā€”can attack his competence or his honesty.

You try to tune the conversation to something entirely different, and that ainā€™t kosher.

Iā€™m not going to argue IQ with you, as I have no specific information to specify. Obama is a smart man, and if you deny that you make yourself look foolish. Was he qualified before he was elected? Of course he was.

Iā€™m not going to list his legal background, his community service or his government experience. He had better qualifications than most candidates, and I wonā€™t even embarrass you listing Trumpā€™s weaknesses other than to quote someone else who said Donā€™s father gave him $400 million to start out, and he soon ended up $900 million in the hole.

ā€œObama had been a community organizer, a state senator, and a US senator. While the latter 2 obviously incorporate legislating they do not incorporate skills of an executive.ā€

I canā€™t think of much better background in politics than ā€˜community organizer.ā€™

What did Trumpā€™s ā€œexecutiveā€ background give him. Heā€™s a disaster as an executive. Executive time!!!

He has absolutely no understanding of negotiation, absolutely no executive ability, his selection of personnel (when said personnel would agree to work for him) is pitiful, and he knows absolutely nothing about law or government.


ā€œI mean, we all know the best Presidents that come from the public sector were governors. They were already doing the job albeit on a smaller scale. They can make decisions.ā€

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, how about Abraham Lincoln? Harry Truman? George Washington? Thomas Jefferson?


You donā€™t know what went on about Foley. Silly example.

And you have a lot of nerve even mentioning ā€œGolf Courseā€ in this context.

The $150 billion was Iranā€™s money. Obama didnā€™t drop anything. Letā€™s keep the honesty thing going, OK?

He Got The Coast Guard Paid??? Really? Putin probably thought it was a good idea.

In the Mid-terms, the republicans were ashamed of the tax cuts, hardly mentioned themā€”turned to lying about how they were going to save Obamacare!!

OK. Iā€™ll give you sending the troops to the border wasnā€™t universally popular, didnā€™t accomplish anything even though it was illegal.

Thatā€™s a pretty weak point.

Runaway stock markets??? Have you looked recently? You better reconsider your debate strategy.

You set yourself up with a pretty weak position, defending trump.

Heā€™ll never finish the year....
Letā€™s try to keep this discussion within the bound... (show quote)



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Jan 8, 2019 12:35:29   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
Trump is president because he got elected. We could change the constitution and appoint a president but I would like to know who is the one who will appoint the president.

Of course, that would throw out democracy. Are we ready to do that?

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Jan 8, 2019 12:48:53   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Wrangler wrote:
Trump is president because he got elected. We could change the constitution and appoint a president but I would like to know who is the one who will appoint the president.

Of course, that would throw out democracy. Are we ready to do that?


Although Britain has such a government and they're still a democracy, I won't bother addressing that part of this post.
Perhaps a better answer would be to eliminate the Electoral College and let a majority of the people decide who the President should be. That would actually be a democracy. What we have now is not anything close to what the Founding Fathers thought would happen. They installed the Electoral College in order to prevent the election of Trump and now that very thing has made it possible.
Time to amend the Constitution or at least get your state to sign on to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact which would be a quicker way to eliminate the fiasco we've seen multiple times.

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Jan 8, 2019 13:14:39   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Wrangler wrote:
Trump is president because he got elected. We could change the constitution and appoint a president but I would like to know who is the one who will appoint the president.

Of course, that would throw out democracy. Are we ready to do that?


Unclear whether you are replying to my post or not, and if you are, what does your post have to do with mine?

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Jan 8, 2019 13:29:17   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Frank T wrote:
Although Britain has such a government and they're still a democracy, I won't bother addressing that part of this post.
Perhaps a better answer would be to eliminate the Electoral College and let a majority of the people decide who the President should be. That would actually be a democracy. What we have now is not anything close to what the Founding Fathers thought would happen. They installed the Electoral College in order to prevent the election of Trump and now that very thing has made it possible.
Time to amend the Constitution or at least get your state to sign on to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact which would be a quicker way to eliminate the fiasco we've seen multiple times.
Although Britain has such a government and they're... (show quote)



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