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Dec 26, 2018 11:20:57   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Friedman, the man who is almost always wrong!

Great irony twardie decided to use THAT article! LOL!


Same old conservative meme: attack the personality and ignore the facts, or drench the page with uninformedmdenial.

Don’t you even get embarrassed looking so foolish to the entire world?

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Dec 26, 2018 11:28:42   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
yhtomit wrote:
Wrong.
Clinton lost our last presidential election.
Look it up.
Google it.
Remember, we are not a “mob” rule country.


Of course we’re a mob rule country—at least these last two years!

Haven’t you been paying attention?

Clinton “won” the total vote count, but Putin and his boys manipulated the electoral college to place trump in office, and trump has been his errand boy ever since.

If you don’t see that, you’re not paying attention!

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Dec 26, 2018 11:59:08   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
Twardlow wrote:
Of course we’re a mob rule country—at least these last two years!

Haven’t you been paying attention?

Clinton “won” the total vote count, but Putin and his boys manipulated the electoral college to place trump in office, and trump has been his errand boy ever since.

If you don’t see that, you’re not paying attention!


I have been paying attention to reality.
Do you have evidence of this manipulation?
If you don’t have evidence comrade, what is your intent spreading lies? Are you staging a coup?

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Dec 26, 2018 12:23:15   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
Opinion

Time for G.O.P. to Threaten to Fire Trump

Republican leaders need to mount an intervention.

By Thomas L. Friedman

December 24, 2018

Up to now I have not favored removing President Trump from office. I felt strongly that it would be best for the country that he leave the way he came in, through the ballot box. But last week was a watershed moment for me, and I think for many Americans, including some Republicans.

It was the moment when you had to ask whether we really can survive two more years of Trump as president, whether this man and his demented behavior — which will get only worse as the Mueller investigation concludes — are going to destabilize our country, our markets, our key institutions and, by extension, the world. And therefore his removal from office now has to be on the table.

I believe that the only responsible choice for the Republican Party today is an intervention with the president that makes clear that if there is not a radical change in how he conducts himself — and I think that is unlikely — the party’s leadership will have no choice but to press for his resignation or join calls for his impeachment.

It has to start with Republicans, given both the numbers needed in the Senate and political reality. Removing this president has to be an act of national unity as much as possible — otherwise it will tear the country apart even more. I know that such an action is very difficult for today’s G.O.P., but the time is long past for it to rise to confront this crisis of American leadership.

Trump’s behavior has become so erratic, his lying so persistent, his willingness to fulfill the basic functions of the presidency — like reading briefing books, consulting government experts before making major changes and appointing a competent staff — so absent, his readiness to accommodate Russia and spurn allies so disturbing and his obsession with himself and his ego over all other considerations so consistent, two more years of him in office could pose a real threat to our nation. Vice President Mike Pence could not possibly be worse.

The damage an out-of-control Trump can do goes well beyond our borders. America is the keystone of global stability. Our world is the way it is today — a place that, despite all its problems, still enjoys more peace and prosperity than at any time in history — because America is the way it is (or at least was). And that is a nation that at its best has always stood up for the universal values of freedom and human rights, has always paid extra to stabilize the global system from which we were the biggest beneficiary and has always nurtured and protected alliances with like-minded nations.

Donald Trump has proved time and again that he knows nothing of the history or importance of this America. That was made starkly clear in Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis’s resignation letter.

Trump is in the grip of a mad notion that the entire web of global institutions and alliances built after World War II — which, with all their imperfections, have provided the connective tissues that have created this unprecedented era of peace and prosperity — threatens American sovereignty and prosperity and that we are better off without them.

So Trump gloats at the troubles facing the European Union, urges Britain to exit and leaks that he’d consider quitting NATO. These are institutions that all need to be improved, but not scrapped. If America becomes a predator on all the treaties, multilateral institutions and alliances holding the world together; if America goes from being the world’s anchor of stability to an engine of instability; if America goes from a democracy built on the twin pillars of truth and trust to a country where it is acceptable for the president to attack truth and trust on a daily basis, watch out: Your kids won’t just grow up in a different America. They will grow up in a different world.

The last time America disengaged from the world remotely in this manner was in the 1930s, and you remember what followed: World War II.

You have no idea how quickly institutions like NATO and the E.U. and the World Trade Organization and just basic global norms — like thou shalt not kill and dismember a journalist in your own consulate — can unravel when America goes AWOL or haywire under a shameless isolated president.

But this is not just about the world, it’s about the minimum decorum and stability we expect from our president. If the C.E.O. of any public company in America behaved like Trump has over the past two years — constantly lying, tossing out aides like they were Kleenex, tweeting endlessly like a teenager, ignoring the advice of experts — he or she would have been fired by the board of directors long ago. Should we expect less for our president?

That’s what the financial markets are now asking. For the first two years of the Trump presidency the markets treated his dishonesty and craziness as background noise to all the soaring corporate profits and stocks. But that is no longer the case. Trump has markets worried.

The instability Trump is generating — including his attacks on the chairman of the Federal Reserve — is causing investors to wonder where the economic and geopolitical management will come from as the economy slows down. What if we’re plunged into an economic crisis and we have a president whose first instinct is always to blame others and who’s already purged from his side the most sober adults willing to tell him that his vaunted “gut instincts” have no grounding in economics or in law or in common sense. Mattis was the last one.

We are now left with the B team — all the people who were ready to take the jobs that Trump’s first team either resigned from — because they could not countenance his lying, chaos and ignorance — or were fired from for the same reasons.

I seriously doubt that any of these B-players would have been hired by any other administration. Not only do they not inspire confidence in a crisis, but they are all walking around knowing that Trump would stab every one of them in the back with his Twitter knife, at any moment, if it served him. This makes them even less effective.

Ah, we are told, but Trump is a different kind of president. “He’s a disrupter.” Well, I respect those who voted for Trump because they thought the system needed “a disrupter.” It did in some areas. I agree with Trump on the need to disrupt the status quo in U.S.-China trade relations, to rethink our presence in places like Syria and Afghanistan and to eliminate some choking regulations on business.

But too often Trump has given us disruption without any plan for what comes next. He has worked to destroy Obamacare with no plan for the morning after. He announced a pullout from Syria and Afghanistan without even consulting the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or the State Department’s top expert, let alone our allies.

People wanted disruption, but too often Trump has given us destruction, distraction, debasement and sheer ignorance.

And while, yes, we need disruption in some areas, we also desperately need innovation in others. How do we manage these giant social networks? How do we integrate artificial intelligence into every aspect of our society, as China is doing? How do we make lifelong learning available to every American? At a time when we need to be building bridges to the 21st century, all Trump can talk about is building a wall with Mexico — a political stunt to energize his base rather than the comprehensive immigration reform that we really need.

Indeed, Trump’s biggest disruption has been to undermine the norms and values we associate with a U.S. president and U.S. leadership. And now that Trump has freed himself of all restraints from within his White House staff, his cabinet and his party — so that “Trump can be Trump,” we are told — he is freer than ever to remake America in his image.

And what is that image? According to The Washington Post’s latest tally, Trump has made 7,546 false or misleading claims, an average of five a day, through Dec. 20, the 700th day of his term in office. And all that was supposedly before “we let Trump be Trump.”

If America starts to behave as a selfish, shameless, lying grifter like Trump, you simply cannot imagine how unstable — how disruptive — world markets and geopolitics may become.

We cannot afford to find out.


Thomas L. Friedman is the foreign affairs Op-Ed columnist. He joined the paper in 1981, and has won three Pulitzer Prizes. He is the author of seven books, including “From Beirut to Jerusalem,” which won the National Book Award.


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Another lib fascist socialist piece of opinionated garbage from little tard.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:24:38   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
Nor to worry. There are plenty of possible crimes to charge with—serious crimes, like selling out the country, bribery, conspiracy, etc.

There will be no dearth of serious crimes to choose from.

Also, keep in mind impeachment is a political charge; when you lose faith in a man, you may vote against him. Period.



Little tard, your key word is possible crimes. Grow up and live in reality, not your tiny little closed off head.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:25:08   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Again he did commit a crime. He defeated a democrat who had rigged and stacked the election in her favor and that is a crime he should not have committed.



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Dec 26, 2018 12:26:01   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
No need for me to suggest POSSIBLE crimes; trump did that.

All we need now is Mueller to press charges.

He will have a broad choice among an extensive list of moral and legal violations, including selling out the Nation to Putin, bribery by Xi, and humiliation by Kim of North Korea.

Let’s see, a wild number if instances of corruption—trump and family—persistent incompetence, political suicide. If he doesn’t cut a deal there’’s a good—perhaps excellent!—chance of his kids doing time.

It will hurt so good when he’s gone.

This is the most corrupt, incompetent and destructive administration in American History!!

And it lasted just over two years.
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Little tard, delusions are abundant in your little head.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:28:04   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
Return to reality. Clinton won fair and square, by three million votes, but Putin rigged it, ordered trump into office, and ordered him around once he got there.



OMG...Explain to all of us what hildabeast won with 3 million votes. She won the right to loose the election that she rigged. If you believe what you wrote, your mental disability is clearly established. You have zero credibility.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:28:37   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
I understand perfectly well—normal elections, and trump’s rigged one!

Trump—nominated and elected by Vladimir Putin—the Illegitimate President!!



Little Tard, seek mental help. LOTS of it.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:30:45   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
yhtomit wrote:
I have been paying attention to reality.
Do you have evidence of this manipulation?
If you don’t have evidence comrade, what is your intent spreading lies? Are you staging a coup?


This is silliness.

Sometimes in life you have to pay attention.

You guys attack Hillary with pure imagination, while trump couldn’t be any more obvious if he waved a flag during his incompetence and corruption.

Wake up.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:30:58   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
Same old conservative meme: attack the personality and ignore the facts, or drench the page with uninformedmdenial.

Don’t you even get embarrassed looking so foolish to the entire world?



Little tard, you have the gall to question ANYONE on personal attacks and ignoring facts. I am convinced, you, little tommie and the little boy are not smart enough to be embarrassed by your ignorant posts. That much is clear.

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Dec 26, 2018 12:31:28   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
Twardlow wrote:
Of course we’re a mob rule country—at least these last two years!

Haven’t you been paying attention?

Clinton “won” the total vote count, but Putin and his boys manipulated the electoral college to place trump in office, and trump has been his errand boy ever since.

If you don’t see that, you’re not paying attention!



Little Tard, get on some strong meds.

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Dec 26, 2018 13:14:58   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
Nor to worry. There are plenty of possible crimes to charge with—serious crimes, like selling out the country, bribery, conspiracy, etc.

There will be no dearth of serious crimes to choose from.

Also, keep in mind impeachment is a political charge; when you lose faith in a man, you may vote against him. Period.


OK, you are correct. But all of those crimes fit Hillary Clinton, not Donald Trump. Care to try again my friend.

Dennis

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Dec 26, 2018 13:15:53   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
You’re bordering on irrational.


Well you started the irrational by your post.

Dennis

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Dec 26, 2018 13:19:53   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
Return to reality. Clinton won fair and square, by three million votes, but Putin rigged it, ordered trump into office, and ordered him around once he got there.


Now who is irrational. Step back and take a look at what you are posting. It is some of the most irrational things I have ever seen. What has Putin ordered Trump to do? Was it to issue more sanctions to Russia than Obama ever could have thought to do?

Speaking of Obama, was it Putin who told Obama to allow him to take over the Balkans, to take missiles out of Eastern Europe, to look like a pussy with regard to the Red Line in Syria? Nope, that was probably Obama just being his effeminate self with regard to world affairs.

What is this post about? Are you practicing a new comedy routine for a Comedy Club somewhere? Let us know the location, date and time please.

Dennis

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