Bipod

In pre-law, if you care about facts.

rcarol

You have the wrong Gates. The man you are referencing is William H. Gates.
https://www.washington.edu/giving/recognition/gates-volunteer-service-award/about-the-gates-family/

rcarol

The man you are referring to is Microsoft Bill Gates' father, William H Gates. Bill Gates never attended the University of Washinton. He went directly from high school to Harvard.

Haydon

My only two complaints with Windows 10 is the data mining (much of it can be turned off) and the FORCED upgrades. I'm not talking about the updates, I'm referring to the 6 month rotation forced upgrades that can leave your machine slow and lethargic. Upgrades can be deferred but it seems to completely turn it off seems like a tenuous effort in patience. A few I've worked on have also been bottle-necked mysteriously with extraordinary amounts of HD space used even after the Windows.old dir has disappeared (approximately 2 weeks after the upgrade) and a system cleanup has been performed.

The only version of Windows 10 that seems to be the least victimized to extensive upgrades is the LTSB version which isn't available to consumers and reserved more for software developers.

Overall I do think it's a great OS but has several caveats.

rcarol

How does Windows 10 do data mining? I can see how various sites accessed through the web browsers can data mine but I don't understand your comment regarding Windows 10 doing the data mining.

Haydon

There are thousands of articles regarding the mining. It's done with their telemetry services and is well documented. Here's just one article describing it. Do another google search if you need more information using the key words "Windows 10 data mining". There's also many freewares available to simply disable the telemetry services that wish to reactive the disabling after you reboot. One freeware is Spybot's "Beacon". But, the article below describes how it's not totally effective after applying all measures available.

https://thehackernews.com/2016/02/microsoft-windows10-privacy.html

rcarol

Thanks.

Bipod

[quote=rcarol]You have the wrong Gates. The man you are referencing is William H. Gates.
https://www.washington.edu/giving/recognition/gates-volunteer-service-award/about-the-gates-family/[/quote

No, I don't. William Henry Gates III, from Vashon Island, Seattle, WA.
He was a pre-law major at Harvard:

"Gates . . . enrolled at Harvard College in the autumn of 1973.[38][39] He chose a pre-law major but took mathematics and graduate level computer science courses.[40] "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Gates

Are you deliberately muddying the water, rcarol?

rcarol

[quote=Bipod]

You're the one that said that Bill Gates went to the University of Washington, not me. You're losing it

Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal

"Other" vintage history:
There was the "Computer Club", where enthusiasts gathered to learn and share.
Except that Gates would copy other folks code, personalize- then copyright it as his software.
Except that Jobs would copy, personalize, and patent code on his hardware.
From the beginning Gates wanted ubiquitous code- from then if you had any Intel system, it would always run his software- for a fee. Like his Gee Wizz Basic did.
From the beginning Jobs wanted proprietary control. If you had an Apple computer it comes with ROM chips- it only runs Apple software, and Apple software only runs on Apple systems.
These same 2 disparate business mentalities persist till today. Remember the Pear fiasco?
> they added an instruction that amounted to "if DR-DOS then halt". <
Later 80s- "DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run."
M$ bought Word, Excel and Access, and added them as separate programs to the menu system. Years of work later they are "native" Windows coded programs. When Windows 1 came out I was using Desqview- and many thought DV was better, cleaner and faster.
. And don't get me started on "IveBeenMugged"! For a NICKLE we didn't start with 16bit 8086s, we got 8bit 8088s. By the time the cheap pettyness of the Board got done, they were just about the only company making xPCs that weren't xPC compatible. Market share tanked. The major instigator then went to Xerox- and they too tanked.

rcarol

Another rant. We're done. That's it.

Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal

NOT a rant. Maybe a slightly biased version of history, but real history none the less.

rcarol

I apologize. I really didn't read your post very carefully since I thought that it was a post from a genuine ranter.

Bipod

These men are RICH and SUCCESSFUL! They are our NATIONAL HEROES!
How dare you criticize these GENIUSES?

There was a time when our national heroes were George Washington, Ben Franklin,
Abe Lincoln, and Booker T. Washington. There was a time when our technologists
were Thomas Edison, Henry Ford, George Westinghouse, and Edwin H. Land.

Everyone has heard of Bill Gates, but nobody but specialists have heard of Edwin Howard
Armstrong, Charles P. Steinmetz, Claude Shannon, John von Neumann, Niklaus Wirth,
or Alonzo Church. We do not teach our children well.

MS has acquired hundreds of tech companies, mostly to put them out of business.

MS is a monopoly. Apple is a monopoly. Intel and AMD are a duopoly. People who
admire Bill Gates probably also admire John D. Rockefellar of Standard Oil.

Some people just worship wealth and power--whether it's Bill Gates or Vlad Putin.

Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal

rcarol- Rant Alert!!
[quote=Bipod People who admire Bill Gates probably also admire John D. Rockefellar of Standard Oil. Some people just worship wealth and power--whether it's Bill Gates or Vlad Putin.[/quote]
Tis human nature, and exacerbated by our culture. Some of our most watched TV shows are "reality" programs about "The women of ..." Basically escorts who hooked up. Pro arm candy that convinced a successful man into believing that as long as he makes her happy she'll make him look good.
I like the "most eligible bachelor" category. Just because he's had 3 kids from the woman he'd lived with for 8 years doesn't mean he's not "available". And the more money he's got, the more up for grabs he is. Well, until he is "officially" married. Cosmo declares a day of mourning. Then as long as he pays the apartment and bills his next mistress can offer him a restful respite.
There will always be Vichy. MAYbe if my boss hears me say how fine the emperor's new clothes are I'll get a better job. MAYbe if I speechify about how the POTUS big Corps tax break magically benefits the American taxpayers I can get better contacts and a better contract. MAYbe we should all go along with the economic direction. Then that "trickle down" theory may finally happen- at least to our congress critters and military contractors. And so it goes ...