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Sep 20, 2018 15:20:51   #
Ob1 Loc: Utah
 
Listen to Steve Perry’s video on use of a polarizer for cutting glare. It is very informative.

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Sep 20, 2018 16:29:48   #
Bipod
 
Jules Karney wrote:
I must on occasion shoot a football or soccer game at the high noon or 1:00. The sunlight is terrible at the time of the day. I am looking for suggestions and comments on what filter to use to minimize those terrible shadows and highlights.
Thanks in advance,
Jules

If a circular polarizer filter didn't fix the problem, then it's probably not glare.

The posted photos are consistently low-constrast. This cannot entirely be explained by over-exposure.
I suspect you are getting flare from the lens and/or from inside the camera.

The only way to avoid that is to try excluding large bright areas from the frame. That's probably
not feasible, given your subject..

First try the longest lens hood you have that doesn't intrude into the frame (for given lens focal length).
That might help, a little.

If it's not enough, then try a different lens--one with better coatings throughout. (If you said what lens you
are using, I missed it--sorry). All else being equal, the fewer the groups (of elements) in a lens, the
less flare. Zoom lenes can have a lot: e.g. Canon 70-200mm f/4L IS (20 elements and 15 groups).
Even if those 30 surfaces are mutli-coated to perfection, you gotta expect some flare.

For comparison, prime focus lenes:
Normal:
Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 (7 elements in 6 groups)
Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 50mm f/1.8D (6 elements in 5 groups)

Short-tele ("portrait"):
Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 (9 elements in 7 groups)
Nikon AF-S 85mm f/1.8G (9 elements in 9 groups)

Tele:
Canon EF 200mm f/2.8L II (9 elements in 7 groups)
Nikon AF FX NIKKOR 200mm f/2G ED VR II (13 elements in 9 groups)

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Sep 20, 2018 16:36:58   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Bipod wrote:
If a circular polarizer filter didn't fix the problem, then it's probably not glare.

The posted photos are consistently low-constrast. This cannot entirely be explained by over-exposure.
I suspect you are getting flare from the lens and/or from inside the camera.

The only way to avoid that is to try excluding large bright areas from the frame. That's probably
not feasible, given your subject..

First try the longest lens hood you have that doesn't intrude into the frame (for given lens focal length).

If that doesn't help, try a different lens--one with better coatings throughout. (If you said what lens you
are using, I missed it--sorry).
If a circular polarizer filter didn't fix the prob... (show quote)


Low contrast? The highlights are blown, and the shadows (faces) are too dark. That's too much contrast. I don't see anything that looks like flare.

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Sep 20, 2018 16:53:38   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
hookedupin2005 wrote:
You should be at a 90 degree angle, left, or right, from the sun, to use a CPL... Not the overhead, noonday sun.


If need be, maybe the game could be played side to side instead of end to end.

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Sep 20, 2018 17:03:09   #
LESTAHL Loc: Colorado
 
Oh, I thought this would be about "shooting sports."

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Sep 20, 2018 17:20:47   #
Bipod
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
Low contrast? The highlights are blown, and the shadows (faces) are too dark. That's too much contrast. I don't see anything that looks like flare.

It's a good question.

You can blow highlights and have flare too -- happens all the time. And flare is not necessarily
visible as such. All lenses have some amount of internal flare when confronted by bright areas.

Some of the shadows are dark. But others look lighter than they should be--given
a clear blue sky. Grass does not reflect much light up onto uniforms.

We're talking about two different things: local contrast and global contrast. Global contrast
is high, but local contrast looks washed out in places.

Flare can reduce local constrast, while not affecting global contrast. Or it can affect the whole
frame--it depends on precisely where in lens or camera the flare is happening. Hard to predict.

Unfortunately, it is possible to take a photo that is both too contrasty and not contrasty enough at
the same time (in different areas)! I think that's what we're seeing here.

Remember, a totally burned out shadow could be reduced by as much as 1 stop and still
look pure black. You can pour a lot of flare into a black hole before it starts to show
texture. That's why Tiffen makes its Ultra Contrast filter (which creates invisible flare in order to
reduce global contrast) in 8 densities, 1/8 to 5.

If blown highlights and burned shadows were all that was wrong with these photos, they would
look much better than they do. (That's why glare was suggested--and it's a great suggestion.
But it can't explain why shadows on the uniforms appear washed out.)

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Sep 20, 2018 17:43:44   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
PP=Post Processing. Adjustment of various photo attributes using software (Photoshop, Lightroom, etc.).

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Sep 20, 2018 17:45:26   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
LESTAHL wrote:
Oh, I thought this would be about "shooting sports."


LOL, so did I!

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Sep 20, 2018 17:45:33   #
David in Dallas Loc: Dallas, Texas, USA
 
LESTAHL wrote:
Oh, I thought this would be about "shooting sports."
Meaning sports done with firearms or archery? That was my first thought, too.

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Sep 20, 2018 17:47:37   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
David in Dallas wrote:
Meaning sports done with firearms or archery? That was my first thought, too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfyBHZc9rK4

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Sep 20, 2018 18:30:48   #
LESTAHL Loc: Colorado
 
yep!

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Sep 20, 2018 18:41:33   #
catchlight.. Loc: Wisconsin USA- Halden Norway
 
Understanding white and color cast will be your biggest gain.... you are not over exposed. I see no others addressing the color cast problem here.

The Colts uniform is white not blue or magenta ...

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Sep 20, 2018 18:42:36   #
Bipod
 
The purpose of a lens hood isn't just to keep direct sunlight from falling on the front surface
at a high angle, causing visible flare (although that's important). It's also to light from
bright areas outside the frame from entering the lens and reducing contast (not necessarily
evenly).

IMHO, uncoated lenses or any lens having more than 5 groups (arbitrary, but reasonable)
should always be hooded when shooting outdoors on bright days.

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Sep 20, 2018 18:47:22   #
tomcat
 
ELNikkor wrote:
They are over-exposed to begin with. Shoot RAW and manage the dynamic range.


I agree. I shoot soccer all the time in bright sunshine and I never have these problems. Perhaps the OP can share us his camera, lens, metadata for us to compare his shooting conditions?

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Sep 20, 2018 18:47:58   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
catchlight.. wrote:
Understanding white and color cast will be your biggest gain.... you are not over exposed. I see no others addressing the color cast problem here.

The Colts uniform is white not blue or magenta ...


Yes, the part of the white uniforms in the shadows have a slight color cast, but the whites in the sun are definitely blown.

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