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Photoshopped, or not?
Aug 2, 2012 08:19:34   #
Kalskag2
 
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?



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Aug 2, 2012 11:47:29   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


Politics aside, I wish I had that kind of ability with Photoshop. Really amazing.

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Aug 2, 2012 13:28:20   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.



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Aug 2, 2012 14:14:01   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.

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Aug 2, 2012 14:20:16   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic i... (show quote)


LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....

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Aug 2, 2012 17:27:56   #
Kalskag2
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic i... (show quote)


LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....
quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 ... (show quote)


I forgive you for your mistake, because I know you intended to say there are many similarities between Bane and the candidate who once worked for Bain, not the President who is about to be re-elected. Lousy photoshop job, almost as lousy as the Republican candidate for President, who goes off on what should be a a saccharin international trip and somehow manages instead to insult the British, the Palestinians, and Mexico (where he didn't even go). (The insult to the Palestinians could not have made Israel happy, by the way, because it is not in their interests to have the Palestinians inflamed). But then, if you get your news from FOX you wouldn't know about any of this anyway.

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Aug 2, 2012 17:48:02   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kalskag2 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic i... (show quote)


LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....
quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 ... (show quote)


I forgive you for your mistake, because I know you intended to say there are many similarities between Bane and the candidate who once worked for Bain, not the President who is about to be re-elected. Lousy photoshop job, almost as lousy as the Republican candidate for President, who goes off on what should be a a saccharin international trip and somehow manages instead to insult the British, the Palestinians, and Mexico (where he didn't even go). (The insult to the Palestinians could not have made Israel happy, by the way, because it is not in their interests to have the Palestinians inflamed). But then, if you get your news from FOX you wouldn't know about any of this anyway.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeye... (show quote)


LOL.... Obama is Bane.... Rather than outline the movie for you I will just offer a review I read...

Quote:
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode to traditional capitalism. Bane leads an attack on the Gotham stock market – and a stock market executive explains to a cop, clearly unhappy about having to risk life and limb for the fat cats, how investment makes his savings more valuable. Selina Kyle – aka Catwoman – starts off as an anti-capitalism warrior, explaining to billionaire Bruce Wayne, “Do you think this is gonna last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us." By the time Bane takes over the city with his communist-fascist regime, she’s looking on in horror at the anti-capitalist show trials (straight from the French Revolution, including summary sentencing) and destruction of private property. When she walks into an upscale house and sees how it’s been destroyed, she says that the house used to be beautiful. Her friend replies, “Now it’s everybody’s house.” In other words, communism destroys rather than building. The totalitarianism of equality is just that: totalitarianism.
(2) Leftist Populism: When Barack Obama talks constantly about returning the power to the people, all the while monopolizing true power, he sounds an awful lot like Bane, who threatens the city with utter destruction while simultaneously informing them that they, the citizens, are in control.
(3) Criminality: In the world of The Dark Knight Rises, thousands of criminals have been put away under the new Harvey Dent Act, dedicated to the district attorney killed by Batman at the end of The Dark Knight. The Act was passed on the heels of Dent’s death because Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon conspired to play Dent as a hero rather than telling the truth. Bane reveals the truth – that Dent tried to murder Gordon’s son – and tells the population to release these wrongly imprisoned criminals. The population largely complies. And the city ends up in ruins.
(4) Appeasement: The President of the United States has a choice to make with regard to Bane: keep sending food into Gotham, acknowledging the whole time that Bane is holding the city under the threat of nuclear destruction, or try to infiltrate and fight back. The President appeases, with disastrous results. And yes, the word appeasement is used.
(5) Poverty: Poverty is seen as a sort of virtue by many people on the left. Not so in The Dark Knight Rises, where those who grow up poor are held to the same moral standard as those who grow up rich. Furthermore, while we learn that Bane spent time in poverty in a prison – and that it toughened him up – Bruce Wayne can get just as tough, though he grew up with tremendous wealth. Wayne is the most self-sacrificing character in the film, even though he’s also the richest. Wealth is not an automatic moral failing in TDKR. It’s a tool to be used for good or evil. And Batman uses it for good.
(6) Guns: One of Batman’s rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns – and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It’s hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns – and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.
(7) Public-Private Partnerships: Bane is able to bring the city to its knees by trapping its police force thanks to the government granting subsidies to a private company for which Bane labors. Corporatism does not go well in the world of The Dark Knight Rises.
(8) Green Energy: Bruce Wayne nearly goes bankrupt thanks to a green energy project he funds. And he also recognizes the dangers of green energy projects that are not fully ready – if the world isn’t ready for them, he says, they can’t be used. Solyndra, anyone?
(9) Law and Order: The great moral arc of the film belongs to Catwoman, who transitions from a thief – she sees herself as Robin Hood, and hilariously tells Bruce Wayne that she does more for the poor than he does – to a defender of the cops. She allies with Bruce Wayne to help take down the Occupy Army after learning the evils of the communist/totalitarian Bane system.
(10) Humanity: Humanity in the Christopher Nolan world is capable of both “great and terrible things,” in the words of Ra’s Al Ghul from Batman Begins. And Nolan doesn’t shy away from either. But he clearly believes in human potential without losing the reality that when people are incentivized to do bad things, they do them. We saw shades of this in Batman Begins and a heavy dose of it in The Dark Knight, but we get the heaviest dose of realism in The Dark Knight Rises.
This is a fantastic film, the end of probably the greatest movie trilogy in film history. It is a pure joy to watch for entertainment reasons. It’s a joy to watch for moral reasons, too. If culture is upstream of politics, we can only hope that the lessons of The Dark Knight Returns seep down to the politics of its viewers.
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode ... (show quote)

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Aug 2, 2012 20:38:14   #
Kalskag2
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic i... (show quote)


LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....
quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 ... (show quote)


I forgive you for your mistake, because I know you intended to say there are many similarities between Bane and the candidate who once worked for Bain, not the President who is about to be re-elected. Lousy photoshop job, almost as lousy as the Republican candidate for President, who goes off on what should be a a saccharin international trip and somehow manages instead to insult the British, the Palestinians, and Mexico (where he didn't even go). (The insult to the Palestinians could not have made Israel happy, by the way, because it is not in their interests to have the Palestinians inflamed). But then, if you get your news from FOX you wouldn't know about any of this anyway.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeye... (show quote)


LOL.... Obama is Bane.... Rather than outline the movie for you I will just offer a review I read...

Quote:
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode to traditional capitalism. Bane leads an attack on the Gotham stock market – and a stock market executive explains to a cop, clearly unhappy about having to risk life and limb for the fat cats, how investment makes his savings more valuable. Selina Kyle – aka Catwoman – starts off as an anti-capitalism warrior, explaining to billionaire Bruce Wayne, “Do you think this is gonna last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us." By the time Bane takes over the city with his communist-fascist regime, she’s looking on in horror at the anti-capitalist show trials (straight from the French Revolution, including summary sentencing) and destruction of private property. When she walks into an upscale house and sees how it’s been destroyed, she says that the house used to be beautiful. Her friend replies, “Now it’s everybody’s house.” In other words, communism destroys rather than building. The totalitarianism of equality is just that: totalitarianism.
(2) Leftist Populism: When Barack Obama talks constantly about returning the power to the people, all the while monopolizing true power, he sounds an awful lot like Bane, who threatens the city with utter destruction while simultaneously informing them that they, the citizens, are in control.
(3) Criminality: In the world of The Dark Knight Rises, thousands of criminals have been put away under the new Harvey Dent Act, dedicated to the district attorney killed by Batman at the end of The Dark Knight. The Act was passed on the heels of Dent’s death because Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon conspired to play Dent as a hero rather than telling the truth. Bane reveals the truth – that Dent tried to murder Gordon’s son – and tells the population to release these wrongly imprisoned criminals. The population largely complies. And the city ends up in ruins.
(4) Appeasement: The President of the United States has a choice to make with regard to Bane: keep sending food into Gotham, acknowledging the whole time that Bane is holding the city under the threat of nuclear destruction, or try to infiltrate and fight back. The President appeases, with disastrous results. And yes, the word appeasement is used.
(5) Poverty: Poverty is seen as a sort of virtue by many people on the left. Not so in The Dark Knight Rises, where those who grow up poor are held to the same moral standard as those who grow up rich. Furthermore, while we learn that Bane spent time in poverty in a prison – and that it toughened him up – Bruce Wayne can get just as tough, though he grew up with tremendous wealth. Wayne is the most self-sacrificing character in the film, even though he’s also the richest. Wealth is not an automatic moral failing in TDKR. It’s a tool to be used for good or evil. And Batman uses it for good.
(6) Guns: One of Batman’s rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns – and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It’s hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns – and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.
(7) Public-Private Partnerships: Bane is able to bring the city to its knees by trapping its police force thanks to the government granting subsidies to a private company for which Bane labors. Corporatism does not go well in the world of The Dark Knight Rises.
(8) Green Energy: Bruce Wayne nearly goes bankrupt thanks to a green energy project he funds. And he also recognizes the dangers of green energy projects that are not fully ready – if the world isn’t ready for them, he says, they can’t be used. Solyndra, anyone?
(9) Law and Order: The great moral arc of the film belongs to Catwoman, who transitions from a thief – she sees herself as Robin Hood, and hilariously tells Bruce Wayne that she does more for the poor than he does – to a defender of the cops. She allies with Bruce Wayne to help take down the Occupy Army after learning the evils of the communist/totalitarian Bane system.
(10) Humanity: Humanity in the Christopher Nolan world is capable of both “great and terrible things,” in the words of Ra’s Al Ghul from Batman Begins. And Nolan doesn’t shy away from either. But he clearly believes in human potential without losing the reality that when people are incentivized to do bad things, they do them. We saw shades of this in Batman Begins and a heavy dose of it in The Dark Knight, but we get the heaviest dose of realism in The Dark Knight Rises.
This is a fantastic film, the end of probably the greatest movie trilogy in film history. It is a pure joy to watch for entertainment reasons. It’s a joy to watch for moral reasons, too. If culture is upstream of politics, we can only hope that the lessons of The Dark Knight Returns seep down to the politics of its viewers.
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode ... (show quote)
quote=Kalskag2 quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath ... (show quote)


Not having seen the movie, and not knowing the source of the review you cite, I cannot comment other than to say that the analogies appear on their face to be utterly ridiculous. My son saw the movie and had a much different take: he said it pokes fun at Atlas Shrugs.

Historically, the month before the convention a person challenging a sitting president sees their popularity rise. Not so this time around: polls are showing Obama's lead growing--now ahead by 10% nationally, and ahead by more than 10% in Pennsylvania and 6% in Ohio and Florida--three key battleground states. Romney has made mistake after mistake. When he opens his mouth either: (1) nothing comes out because he refuses to discuss specifics of any of his proposals (probably because there are none); (2) contradicts his prior positions; or (3) he sticks in his foot.

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Aug 2, 2012 20:53:04   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kalskag2 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic i... (show quote)


LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....
quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 ... (show quote)


I forgive you for your mistake, because I know you intended to say there are many similarities between Bane and the candidate who once worked for Bain, not the President who is about to be re-elected. Lousy photoshop job, almost as lousy as the Republican candidate for President, who goes off on what should be a a saccharin international trip and somehow manages instead to insult the British, the Palestinians, and Mexico (where he didn't even go). (The insult to the Palestinians could not have made Israel happy, by the way, because it is not in their interests to have the Palestinians inflamed). But then, if you get your news from FOX you wouldn't know about any of this anyway.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeye... (show quote)


LOL.... Obama is Bane.... Rather than outline the movie for you I will just offer a review I read...

Quote:
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode to traditional capitalism. Bane leads an attack on the Gotham stock market – and a stock market executive explains to a cop, clearly unhappy about having to risk life and limb for the fat cats, how investment makes his savings more valuable. Selina Kyle – aka Catwoman – starts off as an anti-capitalism warrior, explaining to billionaire Bruce Wayne, “Do you think this is gonna last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us." By the time Bane takes over the city with his communist-fascist regime, she’s looking on in horror at the anti-capitalist show trials (straight from the French Revolution, including summary sentencing) and destruction of private property. When she walks into an upscale house and sees how it’s been destroyed, she says that the house used to be beautiful. Her friend replies, “Now it’s everybody’s house.” In other words, communism destroys rather than building. The totalitarianism of equality is just that: totalitarianism.
(2) Leftist Populism: When Barack Obama talks constantly about returning the power to the people, all the while monopolizing true power, he sounds an awful lot like Bane, who threatens the city with utter destruction while simultaneously informing them that they, the citizens, are in control.
(3) Criminality: In the world of The Dark Knight Rises, thousands of criminals have been put away under the new Harvey Dent Act, dedicated to the district attorney killed by Batman at the end of The Dark Knight. The Act was passed on the heels of Dent’s death because Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon conspired to play Dent as a hero rather than telling the truth. Bane reveals the truth – that Dent tried to murder Gordon’s son – and tells the population to release these wrongly imprisoned criminals. The population largely complies. And the city ends up in ruins.
(4) Appeasement: The President of the United States has a choice to make with regard to Bane: keep sending food into Gotham, acknowledging the whole time that Bane is holding the city under the threat of nuclear destruction, or try to infiltrate and fight back. The President appeases, with disastrous results. And yes, the word appeasement is used.
(5) Poverty: Poverty is seen as a sort of virtue by many people on the left. Not so in The Dark Knight Rises, where those who grow up poor are held to the same moral standard as those who grow up rich. Furthermore, while we learn that Bane spent time in poverty in a prison – and that it toughened him up – Bruce Wayne can get just as tough, though he grew up with tremendous wealth. Wayne is the most self-sacrificing character in the film, even though he’s also the richest. Wealth is not an automatic moral failing in TDKR. It’s a tool to be used for good or evil. And Batman uses it for good.
(6) Guns: One of Batman’s rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns – and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It’s hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns – and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.
(7) Public-Private Partnerships: Bane is able to bring the city to its knees by trapping its police force thanks to the government granting subsidies to a private company for which Bane labors. Corporatism does not go well in the world of The Dark Knight Rises.
(8) Green Energy: Bruce Wayne nearly goes bankrupt thanks to a green energy project he funds. And he also recognizes the dangers of green energy projects that are not fully ready – if the world isn’t ready for them, he says, they can’t be used. Solyndra, anyone?
(9) Law and Order: The great moral arc of the film belongs to Catwoman, who transitions from a thief – she sees herself as Robin Hood, and hilariously tells Bruce Wayne that she does more for the poor than he does – to a defender of the cops. She allies with Bruce Wayne to help take down the Occupy Army after learning the evils of the communist/totalitarian Bane system.
(10) Humanity: Humanity in the Christopher Nolan world is capable of both “great and terrible things,” in the words of Ra’s Al Ghul from Batman Begins. And Nolan doesn’t shy away from either. But he clearly believes in human potential without losing the reality that when people are incentivized to do bad things, they do them. We saw shades of this in Batman Begins and a heavy dose of it in The Dark Knight, but we get the heaviest dose of realism in The Dark Knight Rises.
This is a fantastic film, the end of probably the greatest movie trilogy in film history. It is a pure joy to watch for entertainment reasons. It’s a joy to watch for moral reasons, too. If culture is upstream of politics, we can only hope that the lessons of The Dark Knight Returns seep down to the politics of its viewers.
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode ... (show quote)
quote=Kalskag2 quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath ... (show quote)


Not having seen the movie, and not knowing the source of the review you cite, I cannot comment other than to say that the analogies appear on their face to be utterly ridiculous. My son saw the movie and had a much different take: he said it pokes fun at Atlas Shrugs.

Historically, the month before the convention a person challenging a sitting president sees their popularity rise. Not so this time around: polls are showing Obama's lead growing--now ahead by 10% nationally, and ahead by more than 10% in Pennsylvania and 6% in Ohio and Florida--three key battleground states. Romney has made mistake after mistake. When he opens his mouth either: (1) nothing comes out because he refuses to discuss specifics of any of his proposals (probably because there are none); (2) contradicts his prior positions; or (3) he sticks in his foot.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 quote=Blurryeye... (show quote)


Well I am not going to argue about Mitt's lack of oratory skills, nor his inability to just nod his head.... I would say that his comments if looked at were pretty accurate even if politically inept.

Now as far as the batman movie... Bain, rallies the masses against the the the powerful and wealthy institutions... and it takes a billionaire to save them...

As far as the polls go that you are quoting I would not put as much faith into them as you seem to, they are doing the same thing that they did when they reported that Wisconsin would be so close, they are over sampling Democratic voters by 8 to 11% using the excuse that Dems turned out stronger in 2008 than did Republicans... No kidding, Dems were excited about Obama and republicans were not excited about McCain... 2012 the Republicans are showing much more enthusiasm to vote than are the democrats... meaning the polls you refer to are distorted in favor of president Obama and are not representative of what is likely to happen. Just as they were skewed in Wisconsin telling us that it would be so close that we may not have results for days, when in fact the election was called early in the evening.

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Aug 2, 2012 22:11:21   #
Kalskag2
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
tschmath wrote:
Blurryeyed wrote:
Kalskag2 wrote:
A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic included a photo of... (show quote)


A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 A recent topic i... (show quote)


LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....
quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeyed quote=Kalskag2 ... (show quote)


I forgive you for your mistake, because I know you intended to say there are many similarities between Bane and the candidate who once worked for Bain, not the President who is about to be re-elected. Lousy photoshop job, almost as lousy as the Republican candidate for President, who goes off on what should be a a saccharin international trip and somehow manages instead to insult the British, the Palestinians, and Mexico (where he didn't even go). (The insult to the Palestinians could not have made Israel happy, by the way, because it is not in their interests to have the Palestinians inflamed). But then, if you get your news from FOX you wouldn't know about any of this anyway.
quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath quote=Blurryeye... (show quote)


LOL.... Obama is Bane.... Rather than outline the movie for you I will just offer a review I read...

Quote:
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode to traditional capitalism. Bane leads an attack on the Gotham stock market – and a stock market executive explains to a cop, clearly unhappy about having to risk life and limb for the fat cats, how investment makes his savings more valuable. Selina Kyle – aka Catwoman – starts off as an anti-capitalism warrior, explaining to billionaire Bruce Wayne, “Do you think this is gonna last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us." By the time Bane takes over the city with his communist-fascist regime, she’s looking on in horror at the anti-capitalist show trials (straight from the French Revolution, including summary sentencing) and destruction of private property. When she walks into an upscale house and sees how it’s been destroyed, she says that the house used to be beautiful. Her friend replies, “Now it’s everybody’s house.” In other words, communism destroys rather than building. The totalitarianism of equality is just that: totalitarianism.
(2) Leftist Populism: When Barack Obama talks constantly about returning the power to the people, all the while monopolizing true power, he sounds an awful lot like Bane, who threatens the city with utter destruction while simultaneously informing them that they, the citizens, are in control.
(3) Criminality: In the world of The Dark Knight Rises, thousands of criminals have been put away under the new Harvey Dent Act, dedicated to the district attorney killed by Batman at the end of The Dark Knight. The Act was passed on the heels of Dent’s death because Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon conspired to play Dent as a hero rather than telling the truth. Bane reveals the truth – that Dent tried to murder Gordon’s son – and tells the population to release these wrongly imprisoned criminals. The population largely complies. And the city ends up in ruins.
(4) Appeasement: The President of the United States has a choice to make with regard to Bane: keep sending food into Gotham, acknowledging the whole time that Bane is holding the city under the threat of nuclear destruction, or try to infiltrate and fight back. The President appeases, with disastrous results. And yes, the word appeasement is used.
(5) Poverty: Poverty is seen as a sort of virtue by many people on the left. Not so in The Dark Knight Rises, where those who grow up poor are held to the same moral standard as those who grow up rich. Furthermore, while we learn that Bane spent time in poverty in a prison – and that it toughened him up – Bruce Wayne can get just as tough, though he grew up with tremendous wealth. Wayne is the most self-sacrificing character in the film, even though he’s also the richest. Wealth is not an automatic moral failing in TDKR. It’s a tool to be used for good or evil. And Batman uses it for good.
(6) Guns: One of Batman’s rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns – and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It’s hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns – and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.
(7) Public-Private Partnerships: Bane is able to bring the city to its knees by trapping its police force thanks to the government granting subsidies to a private company for which Bane labors. Corporatism does not go well in the world of The Dark Knight Rises.
(8) Green Energy: Bruce Wayne nearly goes bankrupt thanks to a green energy project he funds. And he also recognizes the dangers of green energy projects that are not fully ready – if the world isn’t ready for them, he says, they can’t be used. Solyndra, anyone?
(9) Law and Order: The great moral arc of the film belongs to Catwoman, who transitions from a thief – she sees herself as Robin Hood, and hilariously tells Bruce Wayne that she does more for the poor than he does – to a defender of the cops. She allies with Bruce Wayne to help take down the Occupy Army after learning the evils of the communist/totalitarian Bane system.
(10) Humanity: Humanity in the Christopher Nolan world is capable of both “great and terrible things,” in the words of Ra’s Al Ghul from Batman Begins. And Nolan doesn’t shy away from either. But he clearly believes in human potential without losing the reality that when people are incentivized to do bad things, they do them. We saw shades of this in Batman Begins and a heavy dose of it in The Dark Knight, but we get the heaviest dose of realism in The Dark Knight Rises.
This is a fantastic film, the end of probably the greatest movie trilogy in film history. It is a pure joy to watch for entertainment reasons. It’s a joy to watch for moral reasons, too. If culture is upstream of politics, we can only hope that the lessons of The Dark Knight Returns seep down to the politics of its viewers.
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Not having seen the movie, and not knowing the source of the review you cite, I cannot comment other than to say that the analogies appear on their face to be utterly ridiculous. My son saw the movie and had a much different take: he said it pokes fun at Atlas Shrugs.

Historically, the month before the convention a person challenging a sitting president sees their popularity rise. Not so this time around: polls are showing Obama's lead growing--now ahead by 10% nationally, and ahead by more than 10% in Pennsylvania and 6% in Ohio and Florida--three key battleground states. Romney has made mistake after mistake. When he opens his mouth either: (1) nothing comes out because he refuses to discuss specifics of any of his proposals (probably because there are none); (2) contradicts his prior positions; or (3) he sticks in his foot.
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Well I am not going to argue about Mitt's lack of oratory skills, nor his inability to just nod his head.... I would say that his comments if looked at were pretty accurate even if politically inept.

Now as far as the batman movie... Bain, rallies the masses against the the the powerful and wealthy institutions... and it takes a billionaire to save them...

As far as the polls go that you are quoting I would not put as much faith into them as you seem to, they are doing the same thing that they did when they reported that Wisconsin would be so close, they are over sampling Democratic voters by 8 to 11% using the excuse that Dems turned out stronger in 2008 than did Republicans... No kidding, Dems were excited about Obama and republicans were not excited about McCain... 2012 the Republicans are showing much more enthusiasm to vote than are the democrats... meaning the polls you refer to are distorted in favor of president Obama and are not representative of what is likely to happen. Just as they were skewed in Wisconsin telling us that it would be so close that we may not have results for days, when in fact the election was called early in the evening.
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The polls factored in likely voters. Romney is going down.

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A recent topic included a photo of the President and his wife which had been flipped so that they were using their left hands to cross the right sides of their chests instead of crossing their hearts with their right hands. There was considerable debate as to whether the photograph had been photoshopped.

In that same vein, do you believe that this photo been photoshopped or is it the original?


I like this one better... even though IQ may not be so good the message is much more realistic.
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A much poorer job of Photoshopping.
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LOL it is what it is.... Don't think that anyone was expecting an award with that one.... but from what I understand there are a lot of similarities between Bane and the president. They both stir and manipulate the downtrodden to achieve their respective goals of transforming our society....
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I forgive you for your mistake, because I know you intended to say there are many similarities between Bane and the candidate who once worked for Bain, not the President who is about to be re-elected. Lousy photoshop job, almost as lousy as the Republican candidate for President, who goes off on what should be a a saccharin international trip and somehow manages instead to insult the British, the Palestinians, and Mexico (where he didn't even go). (The insult to the Palestinians could not have made Israel happy, by the way, because it is not in their interests to have the Palestinians inflamed). But then, if you get your news from FOX you wouldn't know about any of this anyway.
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LOL.... Obama is Bane.... Rather than outline the movie for you I will just offer a review I read...

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(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode to traditional capitalism. Bane leads an attack on the Gotham stock market – and a stock market executive explains to a cop, clearly unhappy about having to risk life and limb for the fat cats, how investment makes his savings more valuable. Selina Kyle – aka Catwoman – starts off as an anti-capitalism warrior, explaining to billionaire Bruce Wayne, “Do you think this is gonna last? There's a storm coming, Mr. Wayne. You and your friends better batten down the hatches, because when it hits, you're all gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us." By the time Bane takes over the city with his communist-fascist regime, she’s looking on in horror at the anti-capitalist show trials (straight from the French Revolution, including summary sentencing) and destruction of private property. When she walks into an upscale house and sees how it’s been destroyed, she says that the house used to be beautiful. Her friend replies, “Now it’s everybody’s house.” In other words, communism destroys rather than building. The totalitarianism of equality is just that: totalitarianism.
(2) Leftist Populism: When Barack Obama talks constantly about returning the power to the people, all the while monopolizing true power, he sounds an awful lot like Bane, who threatens the city with utter destruction while simultaneously informing them that they, the citizens, are in control.
(3) Criminality: In the world of The Dark Knight Rises, thousands of criminals have been put away under the new Harvey Dent Act, dedicated to the district attorney killed by Batman at the end of The Dark Knight. The Act was passed on the heels of Dent’s death because Bruce Wayne and Commissioner Gordon conspired to play Dent as a hero rather than telling the truth. Bane reveals the truth – that Dent tried to murder Gordon’s son – and tells the population to release these wrongly imprisoned criminals. The population largely complies. And the city ends up in ruins.
(4) Appeasement: The President of the United States has a choice to make with regard to Bane: keep sending food into Gotham, acknowledging the whole time that Bane is holding the city under the threat of nuclear destruction, or try to infiltrate and fight back. The President appeases, with disastrous results. And yes, the word appeasement is used.
(5) Poverty: Poverty is seen as a sort of virtue by many people on the left. Not so in The Dark Knight Rises, where those who grow up poor are held to the same moral standard as those who grow up rich. Furthermore, while we learn that Bane spent time in poverty in a prison – and that it toughened him up – Bruce Wayne can get just as tough, though he grew up with tremendous wealth. Wayne is the most self-sacrificing character in the film, even though he’s also the richest. Wealth is not an automatic moral failing in TDKR. It’s a tool to be used for good or evil. And Batman uses it for good.
(6) Guns: One of Batman’s rules is that he will not use firearms, since his parents were killed by gunshot. At one point, Kyle has to save him by using guns – and she tells him that she disagrees with his rule. It’s hard for the audience to disagree, seeing as all the bad guys have guns – and in one scene in which thousands of cops charge the Occupy Army of Bane, the Occupy Army blows the underarmed cops away.
(7) Public-Private Partnerships: Bane is able to bring the city to its knees by trapping its police force thanks to the government granting subsidies to a private company for which Bane labors. Corporatism does not go well in the world of The Dark Knight Rises.
(8) Green Energy: Bruce Wayne nearly goes bankrupt thanks to a green energy project he funds. And he also recognizes the dangers of green energy projects that are not fully ready – if the world isn’t ready for them, he says, they can’t be used. Solyndra, anyone?
(9) Law and Order: The great moral arc of the film belongs to Catwoman, who transitions from a thief – she sees herself as Robin Hood, and hilariously tells Bruce Wayne that she does more for the poor than he does – to a defender of the cops. She allies with Bruce Wayne to help take down the Occupy Army after learning the evils of the communist/totalitarian Bane system.
(10) Humanity: Humanity in the Christopher Nolan world is capable of both “great and terrible things,” in the words of Ra’s Al Ghul from Batman Begins. And Nolan doesn’t shy away from either. But he clearly believes in human potential without losing the reality that when people are incentivized to do bad things, they do them. We saw shades of this in Batman Begins and a heavy dose of it in The Dark Knight, but we get the heaviest dose of realism in The Dark Knight Rises.
This is a fantastic film, the end of probably the greatest movie trilogy in film history. It is a pure joy to watch for entertainment reasons. It’s a joy to watch for moral reasons, too. If culture is upstream of politics, we can only hope that the lessons of The Dark Knight Returns seep down to the politics of its viewers.
(1) Occupy Wall Street: The entire film is an ode ... (show quote)
quote=Kalskag2 quote=Blurryeyed quote=tschmath ... (show quote)


Not having seen the movie, and not knowing the source of the review you cite, I cannot comment other than to say that the analogies appear on their face to be utterly ridiculous. My son saw the movie and had a much different take: he said it pokes fun at Atlas Shrugs.

Historically, the month before the convention a person challenging a sitting president sees their popularity rise. Not so this time around: polls are showing Obama's lead growing--now ahead by 10% nationally, and ahead by more than 10% in Pennsylvania and 6% in Ohio and Florida--three key battleground states. Romney has made mistake after mistake. When he opens his mouth either: (1) nothing comes out because he refuses to discuss specifics of any of his proposals (probably because there are none); (2) contradicts his prior positions; or (3) he sticks in his foot.
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Well I am not going to argue about Mitt's lack of oratory skills, nor his inability to just nod his head.... I would say that his comments if looked at were pretty accurate even if politically inept.

Now as far as the batman movie... Bain, rallies the masses against the the the powerful and wealthy institutions... and it takes a billionaire to save them...

As far as the polls go that you are quoting I would not put as much faith into them as you seem to, they are doing the same thing that they did when they reported that Wisconsin would be so close, they are over sampling Democratic voters by 8 to 11% using the excuse that Dems turned out stronger in 2008 than did Republicans... No kidding, Dems were excited about Obama and republicans were not excited about McCain... 2012 the Republicans are showing much more enthusiasm to vote than are the democrats... meaning the polls you refer to are distorted in favor of president Obama and are not representative of what is likely to happen. Just as they were skewed in Wisconsin telling us that it would be so close that we may not have results for days, when in fact the election was called early in the evening.
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The polls factored in likely voters. Romney is going down.
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The Dems were still over sampled... there is less enthusiasm in the democratic base than there is in the republican base..

It really doesn't matter what you or I think I was just trying to pass on some information... what I said was true and if you go to the polling source you can verify the sampling.

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