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Aug 25, 2018 14:44:00   #
Takyo485 Loc: Planet Earth
 
joesesto wrote:
Since you have not rec’d prints...that means you are using negative film. The machine created prints may not exactly be what you expected. Pick a shot you really like and take it to a custom printer as the negative gives some latitude in print exposure/brightness. I had M-4s and the lenses each had a depth of field scale on the barrel, which indicates at what f/stop where the near point of focus will be and on the other side, the far point of acceptable focus. You did not mention the lens, but generally with a wide lens (35mm) the depth of field (DOF) will be broad and as the focal lengths increase, 50,75, 90, 135...the DOF gets very narrow, especially wide open. As you gain experience you will find that f/16 does not provide the best performance of your lens. A more open aperture setting like f/5.6 or 8.0 may improve your results. The shutter speed only controls motion, yours or the subjects. The lens creates the image, but each has its sweet spot aperture. I regret selling my Leicas many years ago. They are great cameras, and were the tools of many past masters of the art.
Since you have not rec’d prints...that means you a... (show quote)


Sorry not mention what lens i used. Its a Summarit 1.5cm 1:1.5

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Aug 25, 2018 14:53:29   #
Takyo485 Loc: Planet Earth
 
Thank you so much for this very detailed informations. This will help me and others who are interested on film photography. Right now, I am using Summarit 1.5cm 1:1.5 lens.

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Aug 25, 2018 14:55:19   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
jeryh wrote:
For most Leica M series cameras; 250th sec at F8 will get you most subjects, at least until you are fully conversant with the camera; this was the standard advice given by the Leica school to their students.


This is probably for Kodachrome 64.

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Aug 25, 2018 15:10:51   #
rck281 Loc: Overland Park, KS
 
I have a M3 system with 4 lenses and love it. I really don't shoot much film anymore but the M3 is easy to use and the lenses are sharp. The meter you have will scratch the top if you take it on and off, so be careful. Look up instructions on how to install the meter as it couples with the shutter speed dial. I use my 50mm f2.0 dual range Summicron for most photography. The 35mm lens is expensive as it has a viewfinder/rangefinder adapter. PM me if you need instruction.

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Aug 25, 2018 16:10:20   #
joesesto Loc: Nipomo, CA (Central Coast, CA)
 
John Sexton was a Monterey photographer associated with Ansel Adams. Sexton and 2 others conducted Owens Valley photo seminars decades ago. John had a series of 4 Ansel’s Moonrise work prints that he showed the group. The worst print you could image was a straight one like a big contact print. Then each successively showed the effects of dodging, masking, burning in, etc. The final print’s white back had Ansel’s penciled notes indicating what he did in each area. I forget exactly how long it took to produce a single print he could sign, but it was several hours. I vaguely recall Adams preferred to print them at night.

BTW I agree with you about incident meters for negs and digital, but when it came to slide film in any format my trusty 1 degree Minolta spot meter was on my belt for every shot. Adams was shooting sheet film and the Zone System dictated that he know the contrast range of the image, so (my guess) the spot meter gave him more information. It might even dictate the developer or development time of a single neg.

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Aug 25, 2018 16:42:57   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
BebuLamar wrote:
The light meter may not work very well but it adds significant value to the camera. If I were you I wouldn't use that meter but keep it in case I want to sell it.


With tongue firmly in cheek, why would you want to sell it? I thought the light meter belonged to the OP.

Dennis

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Aug 25, 2018 17:36:17   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
joesesto wrote:
John Sexton was a Monterey photographer associated with Ansel Adams. Sexton and 2 others conducted Owens Valley photo seminars decades ago. John had a series of 4 Ansel’s Moonrise work prints that he showed the group. The worst print you could image was a straight one like a big contact print. Then each successively showed the effects of dodging, masking, burning in, etc. The final print’s white back had Ansel’s penciled notes indicating what he did in each area. I forget exactly how long it took to produce a single print he could sign, but it was several hours. I vaguely recall Adams preferred to print them at night.

BTW I agree with you about incident meters for negs and digital, but when it came to slide film in any format my trusty 1 degree Minolta spot meter was on my belt for every shot. Adams was shooting sheet film and the Zone System dictated that he know the contrast range of the image, so (my guess) the spot meter gave him more information. It might even dictate the developer or development time of a single neg.
John Sexton was a Monterey photographer associated... (show quote)


I saw a copy (probably online, not an actual print) of the straight Moonrise negative and it was indeed horrible. It's a testament to Adams' printing skills - and his visualization - that let him create the remarkable image that we all know.

As for spot meters - they do indeed provide the ultimate in detailed information, if you know what to do with it. But the OP seemed to indicate uncertainty about focusing a lens, and basic exposure, from which I sort of concluded that a spot meter probably would not be the best way to START measuring light.

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Aug 25, 2018 17:56:56   #
joesesto Loc: Nipomo, CA (Central Coast, CA)
 
[quote=wrangler5

As for spot meters - they do indeed provide the ultimate in detailed information, if you know what to do with it. But the OP seemed to indicate uncertainty about focusing a lens, and basic exposure, from which I sort of concluded that a spot meter probably would not be the best way to START measuring light./quote]

I goofed...my reply was meant for you not the OP. I haven’t been on this forum for some time...not used to the reply/quote procedure. I don’t think his lens even has the DOF band. I never used the M-3.

I dumped my Canon 5D and 1DIII and many L lenses a few years ago for Oly MFT OM1 and then added the Pen F, which is the closest thing to the M4s I could find at a reasonable cost. The Fuji X1 Pro was just coming out, but their lens roadmap was going to take years. I duplicated my Canon glass in 18 months, 1/3rd the weight and cost.

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Aug 25, 2018 19:11:51   #
wrangler5 Loc: Missouri
 
Ah, understand. Leica rangefinder lenses do have DOF markings, but the M3 rangefinder spot also had the unique notches that let you gauge DOF (in a limited way) without looking at the lens. I never had a genuine spot meter, although I was always intrigued by them after reading Adams' The Negative. I did try the pseudo-spot attachment for a Gossen Luna Pro, but never thought it did much better than the normal metering modes for the kind of pictures I took. I tended to use the cameras' TTL meters, from the Nikon F on, as they only got better with time.

Like you, I've abandoned my Nikon DSLR cameras and lenses for MFT - Olympus OMD EM1 and Pen F, and a Lumix GX85. Went to visit #1 grandson last month with EM1 and Pen F, 6 lenses and a flash, in a bag that would probably hold the Nikon D600, 1 zoom lens and (maybe) an SB700 speedlight. I really ought to sell the Nikon stuff before it becomes totally worthless on the market.

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Aug 25, 2018 19:26:24   #
BebuLamar
 
dennis2146 wrote:
With tongue firmly in cheek, why would you want to sell it? I thought the light meter belonged to the OP.

Dennis


Wish you were joking. I said if I were you which mean if I were the OP that is what I would do.

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Aug 25, 2018 20:09:31   #
joesesto Loc: Nipomo, CA (Central Coast, CA)
 
[quote=wrangler5] I never had a genuine spot meter, although I was always intrigued by them after reading Adams' The Negative.]

We might be brothers from another mother...I have the entire series (gathering dust somewhere) as well as Weston’s Day Books, HCB, Gene Smith and others.

[Like you, I've abandoned my Nikon DSLR cameras and lenses for MFT - Olympus OMD EM1 and Pen F, and a Lumix GX85. Went to visit #1 grandson last month with EM1 and Pen F, 6 lenses and a flash, in a bag that would probably hold the Nikon D600, 1 zoom lens and (maybe) an SB700 speedlight. I really ought to sell the Nikon stuff before it becomes totally worthless on the market.[/quote]

My experience was the Canon bodies were worthless, I kept them, but the lenses paid for much of the Oly kit. I really like the Pen F grip and the small f/1.7 primes, 17, 25, 45 and 60 macro, but the Pro zooms make the combo too nose heavy and obvious. Those balance better on the OM1 with its battery grip. And I like its tilt screen much better than the Pen F’s fully articulated one...I just flip it backwards for almost everything...too easy to accidentally change settings, focus point, etc., anyway

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Aug 25, 2018 20:17:48   #
FloydF2
 
The depth of field for an f2.0 Summicron set at infinity and at f 16 is 15 ft to infinity according to the depth of field scale. So anything closer may be a bit fuzzy.

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Aug 25, 2018 20:21:51   #
BebuLamar
 
FloydF2 wrote:
The depth of field for an f2.0 Summicron set at infinity and at f 16 is 15 ft to infinity according to the depth of field scale. So anything closer may be a bit fuzzy.


That's what I am afraid of. I don't know about the OP but most of my subjects are closer to 15ft.

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Aug 25, 2018 20:44:46   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Wish you were joking. I said if I were you which mean if I were the OP that is what I would do.


My apologies. I read too quickly and didn’t take in the whole conversation.

Dennis

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Aug 25, 2018 22:06:56   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Takyo485 wrote:
Sorry not mention what lens i used. Its a Summarit 1.5cm 1:1.5

I have a copy of this lens (Nr 820614). It’s single-coated, so you want to be sure to use a hood when shooting into the light, or at least shade it with your hand, hat, etc. Unlike with a multi-coated lens, an ultraviolet filter can be effective when UV is present.

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