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Aug 11, 2018 21:26:33   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
Gene51 wrote:
Predigested?

Beer
Cheese
Wine
Kopi Luwak
Yogurt
Kumbucha
Kefir
Soy Sauce
Sauerkraut
Kimchi
Fermented Doufu
Salt Fish
Yeast-raised Bread
Sourdough Bread
Injera
Dosa
Hard Cider
Vinegar
Miso
Tempeh
Crème Fraîche
Buttermilk
Kvass
Pickles
Nuoc Mam and other fermented fish sauces
Cocoa
Salamis and other cured sausages
Stinky Tofu
Tabasco sauce

I have no problem with partially predigested food, or dishes prepared with predigested ingredients.

Predigested? br br Beer br Cheese br Wine br Kopi... (show quote)


Fair Dinkum!

But the analogy is poor. I would hope he meant partially pre-cooked. Depending on the chef, my answer would be “Hell Yeah!” Or “I can do better.”

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Aug 11, 2018 21:29:59   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
Retired CPO wrote:
How many functions do you want? I recently upgraded (???) from a D200 to a D7100 for the extra mega pixels. It has so many functions that I'm about ready to throw it into the river! And I'm still using the D200 and loving it.

I am sure your D7100 is much better than your D200, You can just use those functions/modes that you are familiar with. Would that make your pictures better?
Simple life is better. I know some people can't learn new tricks.
But those added on functions are supposed to make life easier; of course there is a learning curve.
For example, use a dslr taking panoramic, one has to pan several pictures and later find out the pictures didn't connect or not horizontal enough. But for those with phone, P&S, you can see the result right away to know if retake is necessary.
For some, photography is a life learning process, and for some it is a time-killing hobby.
I belong to both types or in between.

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Aug 12, 2018 05:29:30   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
jerryc41 wrote:
In-camera pano is a nice feature for a quick and easy panorama. Cell phones have had that feature for years.


And they always come out as a jpg with mediocre quality. Quick and crappy! The post software is so easy and with some tools like LR you get a raw output file.

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Aug 12, 2018 06:52:16   #
dcampbell52 Loc: Clearwater Fl
 
tenny52 wrote:
Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending trip. So I have been busy learning its functions and I found it can do a lot more in picture taking and movie capturing than my D610 except detail/clarity/dynamic.
The question is whence the DSLR is a bigger unit, why can't the manufacturer pack those functions such as 4K burst mode, post focus mode, panoramic stitching, multi-focus stacking, live cropping etc. which I think can be achieved by software(firmware). Or the reason is my D610 being too primitive.
Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending ... (show quote)


The Nikon D610 is NOT a new design.. You are trying to compare a 5 or 10 year old design to a 1 or 2 year old design. You can't do that with Televisions, cars or any other device, and you definitely can't do it with cameras. And the D610 is nearing end of life as a "new" camera. It will soon be replaced by what ever new "entry level" full frame that Nikon comes out with, just as the D610 replaced the D600. I have a D7100 but wouldn't think of comparing the features with the Nikon D7500 as, while they are the "same line" it would be like saying that my camera is the same as the Nikon D7000 or my wife's D7000 is the same as my old D70s. And I would never dream of comparing my D7100 to my old Nikon F2 Photomic film camera.

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Aug 12, 2018 07:53:12   #
Carlo Loc: Maryland, NW.Chesapeake Bay
 
👍😎

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Aug 12, 2018 08:15:05   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
tenny52 wrote:
Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending trip. So I have been busy learning its functions and I found it can do a lot more in picture taking and movie capturing than my D610 except detail/clarity/dynamic.
The question is whence the DSLR is a bigger unit, why can't the manufacturer pack those functions such as 4K burst mode, post focus mode, panoramic stitching, multi-focus stacking, live cropping etc. which I think can be achieved by software(firmware). Or the reason is my D610 being too primitive.
Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending ... (show quote)


P&S and Bridge Camera's have their nitch. DSLR's have there's. If you want a certain function, there is a camera that can do that.

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Aug 12, 2018 09:13:08   #
olemikey Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
 
If one camera had "all" of the hottest, most desirable features...who would buy any of their other offerings?

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Aug 12, 2018 09:36:17   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Seems to be a lot of discussion about the camera that can do everything, or the camera-lens combo that can do everything. Like everything else, there are tradeoffs in our search for the Holy Grail of Everything. I use 10-20% of my camera's features, the same for my computer's features, and I never drive my car as fast as the speedometer says I can. 😜

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Aug 12, 2018 09:59:00   #
jaycoffman Loc: San Diego
 
Gene51 wrote:
I own a D800 and D810, and I do not rely upon "canned" programs or adjustments that they provide - I think they call them "picture controls" - I prefer to tailor and adjust my images to my taste and if I decide to go in a different direction with an image, I can simply create a virtual copy of my raw file without any adjustments and make it the way I want. Once you use a picture control or other built-in image enhancement setting on a jpeg all that data that is not used to create the image is discarded forever - there is no going back.

So, for my photography, I have no use for those "features" you are writing about. Also, the D600/610 is 6 yr old tech. So no, it lacks the innovation the FZ80 has. And what's more, the FZ80 packs 18 mp onto a tiny 1/2.3-inch sensor, compared to the D610's 24 mp on a full size sensor. The individual pixels on the FZ are 1.59µm² compared to the D610's 35.4 µm² - there is no question which one is going to produce better images in low light with high ISO. Comparing the two is like comparing a Bugatti Chiron ($2.5M, 15 mpg to 35 mpg) to a Toyota Prius Prime ($30K, 133 mpg) and panning the Bugatti because it only seats 2 people, has no room for luggage, and doesn't include a JBL based entertainment system with integrated GPS, remote climate control, SafeSense collision avoidance with pedestrian detection, blind spot monitor, backup camera, satellite radio, dynamic radar-based cruise control, lane departure alert with steering assist, and fully automatic headlights, high beams and windshield wipers.

Each car fits a certain set of widely different expectations - same goes for cameras.
I own a D800 and D810, and I do not rely upon &quo... (show quote)


I agree completely with this answer. But I have to add a p.s. for one of my favorite cartoons (should be in general chat I know but it fits this answer). Picture of Prius, "I get 52 miles per gallon, what do you get?" Picture of Bugatti, "Laid."

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Aug 12, 2018 10:16:00   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
Different manufacturers have different philosophies as to extra processing features. Nikon is by nature quite conservative in what they include. Burst mode, though, is not something that can easily be done with a DSLR, since the mirror has to move out of the way for each exposure. The same holds true for sweep panoramas, since there would be viewfinder blackout for the whole length of the sweep. Anyway, size has nothing to do with it, since all the functions you mention are firmware, not hardware.

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Aug 12, 2018 10:30:41   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
kymarto wrote:
Different manufacturers have different philosophies as to extra processing features. Nikon is by nature quite conservative in what they include. Burst mode, though, is not something that can easily be done with a DSLR, since the mirror has to move out of the way for each exposure. The same holds true for sweep panoramas, since there would be viewfinder blackout for the whole length of the sweep. Anyway, size has nothing to do with it, since all the functions you mention are firmware, not hardware.
Different manufacturers have different philosophie... (show quote)


Sweep panos could be done using live view. That is a feature I would like on my DSLR.

Lower level Nikon DSLRs (e.g. my D5600) have scene and effect options, and offer in-camera editing including changing the aspect ratio. My D800 lacks Auto mode. I never use any of these anyhow. I had a Sony NEX7 (mirrorless w APS-C) that had some of the mentioned features. Also didn’t use them.

I do use the pano feature on my Lumix GM5 (mirrorless M4/3).

Cameras are designed to a specific customer profile. You can choose the camera system that best suits you.

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Aug 12, 2018 10:39:06   #
kymarto Loc: Portland OR and Milan Italy
 
IDguy wrote:
Sweep panos could be done using live view. That is a feature I would like on my DSLR.

Lower level Nikon DSLRs (e.g. my D5600) have scene and effect options, and offer in-camera editing including changing the aspect ratio. My D800 lacks Auto mode. I never use any of these anyhow. I had a Sony NEX7 (mirrorless w APS-C) that had some of the mentioned features. Also didn’t use them.

I do use the pano feature on my Lumix GM5 (mirrorless M4/3).

Cameras are designed to a specific customer profile. You can choose the camera system that best suits you.
Sweep panos could be done using live view. That is... (show quote)


My guess is that no DSLR manufacturer wants to include a feature that can be used only in LV mode, as that would cause quite a bit of confusion. I've never seen any feature on a DSLR that can only be used in LV mode, except critical focusing. Certainly it could be included technically.

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Aug 12, 2018 11:04:03   #
Nikon1201
 
There is probably no comparison review of these. This is clearly a person that is totally ignorant about DSLR vs PS , or he is really fishing with a large hook . I’m surprised that there were that many responses to his question . He could have found out on Utube in 5 minutes.

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Aug 12, 2018 11:57:06   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Face it. All a DSLR needs in the way of functions is an ISO adjustment, an aperture adjustment, a shutter speed adjustment, and an accurate TTL meter. All the rest of those add-ons are a waste of money. My opinion and I'm sticking to it.
--Bob

tenny52 wrote:
Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending trip. So I have been busy learning its functions and I found it can do a lot more in picture taking and movie capturing than my D610 except detail/clarity/dynamic.
The question is whence the DSLR is a bigger unit, why can't the manufacturer pack those functions such as 4K burst mode, post focus mode, panoramic stitching, multi-focus stacking, live cropping etc. which I think can be achieved by software(firmware). Or the reason is my D610 being too primitive.
Recently I bought a Panasonic FZ80 for my pending ... (show quote)

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Aug 12, 2018 12:06:01   #
BebuLamar
 
rmalarz wrote:
Face it. All a DSLR needs in the way of functions is an ISO adjustment, an aperture adjustment, a shutter speed adjustment, and an accurate TTL meter. All the rest of those add-ons are a waste of money. My opinion and I'm sticking to it.
--Bob


I will have to add a way to focus the lens, manual only is fine. I can live without the meter.

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