selmslie wrote:
... The term implies that "shooting layers" is a technique you can apply deliberately when taking the image. A more appropriate term is probably "recognizing layers" which is something you can do with an image that already exists.
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Robert Capa's statement, “If your photos aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.” is a good example. ...
You are grossly misunderstanding the topic of discussion.
It absolutely is about composition applied when actually shooting, with camera in hand.
Nothing in any of Eric Kim's discussion was about later analysis. And your quote from Robert Capa is also about shooting, not later analysis.
selmslie wrote:
Thank you for acknowledging that my take on the articles was ingenious. Apparently I understand them better than you did.
Why don't you take what you think you learned from reading the articles and apply it to a photograph of your own? Then you can post it and tell us how you did it.
Ingenious implies that you are pioneering, inventing and being creative.
It does not suggest that you understand it at all, but that you don't. Rather than reciting what an authoritative article describes you are inventing something entirely different, and false.
Apaflo wrote:
You are grossly misunderstanding the topic of discussion.
It absolutely is about composition applied when actually shooting, with camera in hand.
Nothing in any of Eric Kim's discussion was about later analysis. And your quote from Robert Capa is also about shooting, not later analysis.
You are certainly far from demonstrating that you understand the difference between pre- and post-capture. That makes you ingenuous. I'd rather be ingenious.
If you were smart you would simply admit that you got the terms confused, but then you never admit a mistake.
At least you recognize that Capa's advice was about pre-capture, shooting.
That was my entire point and you clearly missed it. The other the layer stuff is about post-capture analysis, not how to do it.
With apologies in advance to all of the educated and accomplished teachers in the audience, you are the poster boy for, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Also, Woody Allen's, "and those who can't teach, teach gym." Can you even teach gym?
Now, where are your new street images? Can't you practice what you preach?
selmslie wrote:
You are certainly far from demonstrating that you understand the difference between pre- and post-capture. That makes you ingenuous. I'd rather be ingenious.
If you were smart you would simply admit that you got the terms confused, but then you never admit a mistake.
At least you recognize that Capa's advice was about pre-capture, shooting. That was my entire point and you clearly missed it. The other the layer stuff is about post-capture analysis, not how to do it.
With apologies in advance to all of the educated and accomplished teachers in the audience, you are the poster boy for, "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach." Also, Woody Allen's, "and those who can't teach, teach gym." Can you even teach gym?
Now, where are your new street images? Can't you practice what you preach?
You are certainly far from demonstrating that you ... (
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So you can't refute the cites I provided, and just continue to misstate reality.
No reference claims "shooting layers" is anything other than pre-capture composition.
Apaflo wrote:
So you can't refute the cites I provided, and just continue to misstate reality.
No reference claims "shooting layers" is anything other than pre-capture composition.
Can you show us how you can apply
any one of the principles to actual shooting rather than to the analysis after the fact? You can't!
You are all hat and no cattle.
selmslie wrote:
Can you show us how you can apply any one of the principles to actual shooting rather than to the analysis after the fact? You can't!
You are all hat and no cattle.
Read the cited articles written by Eric Kim. They are all about exactly how ALL the principles are applied to shooting.
You have not and cannot find any authoritative cites applying it in post production analysis.
Apaflo wrote:
Read the cited articles written by Eric Kim. They are all about exactly how ALL the principles are applied to shooting.
You have not and cannot find any authoritative cites applying it in post production analysis.
You really don't get it, do you?
Decisions that apply to
shooting are film/digital, format size, camera choice, ISO, aperture, shutter speed, focal length, where to stand, where to point the camera, pre-visualization, when to trip the shutter, etc. All of that happens before the capture.
Things that apply to post capture
analysis are things that you can draw on the image and explain after the capture. That's mostly what Kim has done on the images he did not discard.
You can do stuff in post processing to correct some of the things that you decide you don't like during the analysis phase where post processing might improve the image. That's a separate phase.
You are totally incapable of applying his principals
to the shooting process. You can't prove your point until you do. You are not able to do it.
But I'm sure you can draw on any of your existing images or those of others and point to something Kim stated and say that this is what he means. That is analysis.
selmslie wrote:
You really don't get it, do you?
Decisions that apply to shooting are film/digital, format size, camera choice, ISO, aperture, shutter speed, focal length, where to stand, where to point the camera, pre-visualization, when to trip the shutter, etc. All of that happens before the capture.
Things that apply to post capture analysis are things that you can draw on the image and explain after the capture. That's mostly what Kim has done on the images he did not discard.
You can do stuff in post processing to correct some of the things that you decide you don't like during the analysis phase where post processing might improve the image. That's a separate phase.
You are totally incapable of applying his principals to the shooting process. You can't prove your point until you do. You are not able to do it.
But I'm sure you can draw on any of your existing images or those of others and point to something Kim stated and say that this is what he means. That is analysis.
You really don't get it, do you? br br Decision... (
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It is pretty clear that you now understand and are just weaseling around to avoid what you have already said.
"Shooting Layers" is a way to compose
before the shutter is fired. It has nothing to do with post capture analysis.
Apaflo wrote:
It is pretty clear that you now understand and are just weaseling around to avoid what you have already said.
"Shooting Layers" is a way to compose before the shutter is fired. It has nothing to do with post capture analysis.
You think so? Then do it for us. Show us how you do it.
Put up or shut up!
selmslie wrote:
You think so? Then do it for us. Show us how you do it.
Put up or shut up!
I have already put up enough.
Apaflo wrote:
I have already put up enough.
And you have shown us nothing. You seem to have stopped taking pictures more than a year ago.
Why don’t you annotate your infamous truck on the tundra and show us how you used layers?
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