Adobe CC is hamstringing the little guys… (Page 4): Been using Photoshop CC in all its incarnations since they first came out with it and I keep all my photographs on "local" external...

pbradin Loc: Florida

Been using Photoshop CC in all its incarnations since they first came out with it and I keep all my photographs on "local" external hard drives (4 of them, two are duplicates), plus two internal "working" drives. Never have had a problem. Am I just lucky?

blackest Loc: Ireland

johnst1001a wrote:

I hate the filing system on lightroom. Maybe I don't fully understand it, but I don't really want to bother figuring it out. I go to photoshop CC, open my external drive, open Bridge and Photoshop, all my pictures are where I expect them to be, and move them around from drive to drive, folder to folder, and open them with ease from Bridge.

Lightroom isn't really a file system it's a database and that has a lot of advantages.

If you had a music collection back in the eighties you probably had your albums organised by band name and the compilation albums at one end. You probably would have needed a huge collection to think about organising by genre and then by artist. It was the best we had and it made sense.

With computers physical organisation is not particularly needed anymore. Folders and Files are largely for our benefit. In fact it is an abstraction. A typical hard drive has say 4 platters, you can't say which platter a particular file is recorded on and it doesn't matter the computer is going to retrieve it. It's even more abstract when you say subscribe to a music service if you want to listen to stairway to heaven by Led Zeppelin you probably care which version but you don't care where the data centre is, each play may be from a different data-centre anyway. You will be accessing a database to do this, you access a database when you search with google and it usually finds what you are looking for (along with some useless results to be fair).

The thing with database's they record lots of meta data, some is more useful than others. Band Name, Song Name, Album Name, are pretty useful, song duration not so much unless you are a DJ putting together a playlist to last exactly one hour say.

Lightrooms database is pretty much the same and can present photos located anywhere sorted under any kind of meta data, one of the most useful is the thumbnail, lightroom has thumbnails of everything at different sizes for old files that you don't look at very often these are quite small but if you open one of these old files lightroom refreshes the thumbnail with a larger version. This makes a huge difference in the speed of finding what you want.

Simple searches, complex searches are all the same to lightroom. Lightroom also makes creating a backup easy if a photo is in Lightrooms database it can be backed up. I keep most of my photos on a networked drive under a base folder called lightroom , I also keep the catalog backups there. once every 2 hours I have another system check the files under this base lightroom folder and any changes are copied to another drive. if my main storage dies, i have another copy ready to go. If my computer dies i can install lightroom onto another system load the backup catalog and i'm up and running again.

This doesn't have to replace bridge, if you are working on a project with 100 photo's it's probably easiest to export the 100 photos from lightroom and work on that project using bridge.

Databases are really useful things they allow you to group things by attribute take email for instance in some cases email needs to go to several people e.g 6 people in the acme company if these 6 people are grouped under acme for example you can just select acme and these 6 all get the email you don't need to go through all your contacts to find these 6 if contacts change you can update the group or if its a company address book someone else can update the group. Maybe bob left you don't need to know or remember this.

Digging through files is boring tedious slow and error prone, databases help keep it fast and easy. Even this page is part of a database. Every reply is too.

blackest Loc: Ireland

rgrenaderphoto wrote:

Man, I made a fortune getting Companies ready for the Y2K "Disaster." And, you know what happened? Nothing, zippo, bupkis, nada, zilch. Still made a ton of cash on that one.

There was a lot of potential for problems and the reason why there wasn't problems was because the systems were checked and fixed ahead of time.

I actually remember a y2k fix that caused problems not from the year 2000 but from 10 to 12:59 each day. The operating system had been upgraded to avoid Y2k problems but the time string sent back was also changed between operating systems each field on a database record has a size, these days field sizes tend to be bigger than whats expected, anyway each record had a time stamp. Under the new operating system the time stamp was a little bigger than on the old version. So at 9:59 it wasn't a problem but at 10:00 one more byte was needed to hold the record. because the field was 1 byte too small the system wouldn't write the record. It took some time to figure out that one, a call would come in from site say 10:30 by the time we drove down to the site it was past 1pm and the system was working normally again.

The problem with y2k was just two bytes were used for the year and if any calculations used the year once it got to the year 2000 e.g say it calculated the age you should get your pension you were born in 1930 and its 1999 your age is 99 -30 making you 69 and eligible in 2000 you are 00 - 30 or -70 which is less than the pension age and ineligible and your payment gets stopped. It was quite hit and miss how the systems would react to this odd data and yes there were systems that got unneeded "upgrades" but there were systems that would have fell over without these upgrades.

Probably a bigger problem will be the Year 2038 on unix systems.

The Year 2038 problem relates to representing time in many digital systems as number of seconds passed since 1 January 1970 and storing it as a signed 32-bit integer. ... Just like the Y2K problem, the Year 2038 problem is caused by insufficient capacity of the chosen storage unit. Still 20 years to go but when will it get fixed?

anotherview Loc: California

Tend to agree. Adobe Bridge CC does it all, in my view, for organization of photographs. In combination with Adobe Camera Raw CC and Photoshop CC, one has a complete photo-storage and photo-editing package.

Alsweet wrote:

Like many of us who have an existing and functional filing system already, Lightroom is not needed. Stick with Photoshop CC and download Bridge CC (It's free!)
You can then work with your existing filing system; Images will open in ACR for your image adjustments and further editing in PS if needed. Best of all worlds without the added complication of a Library and categorisation system that is unnecessary.

AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire

blackest wrote:

Lightroom isn't really a file system it's a database and that has a lot of advantages.

If you had a music collection back in the eighties you probably had your albums organised by band name and the compilation albums at one end. You probably would have needed a huge collection to think about organising by genre and then by artist. It was the best we had and it made sense.

With computers physical organisation is not particularly needed anymore. Folders and Files are largely for our benefit. In fact it is an abstraction. A typical hard drive has say 4 platters, you can't say which platter a particular file is recorded on and it doesn't matter the computer is going to retrieve it. It's even more abstract when you say subscribe to a music service if you want to listen to stairway to heaven by Led Zeppelin you probably care which version but you don't care where the data centre is, each play may be from a different data-centre anyway. You will be accessing a database to do this, you access a database when you search with google and it usually finds what you are looking for (along with some useless results to be fair).

The thing with database's they record lots of meta data, some is more useful than others. Band Name, Song Name, Album Name, are pretty useful, song duration not so much unless you are a DJ putting together a playlist to last exactly one hour say.

Lightrooms database is pretty much the same and can present photos located anywhere sorted under any kind of meta data, one of the most useful is the thumbnail, lightroom has thumbnails of everything at different sizes for old files that you don't look at very often these are quite small but if you open one of these old files lightroom refreshes the thumbnail with a larger version. This makes a huge difference in the speed of finding what you want.

Simple searches, complex searches are all the same to lightroom. Lightroom also makes creating a backup easy if a photo is in Lightrooms database it can be backed up. I keep most of my photos on a networked drive under a base folder called lightroom , I also keep the catalog backups there. once every 2 hours I have another system check the files under this base lightroom folder and any changes are copied to another drive. if my main storage dies, i have another copy ready to go. If my computer dies i can install lightroom onto another system load the backup catalog and i'm up and running again.

This doesn't have to replace bridge, if you are working on a project with 100 photo's it's probably easiest to export the 100 photos from lightroom and work on that project using bridge.

Databases are really useful things they allow you to group things by attribute take email for instance in some cases email needs to go to several people e.g 6 people in the acme company if these 6 people are grouped under acme for example you can just select acme and these 6 all get the email you don't need to go through all your contacts to find these 6 if contacts change you can update the group or if its a company address book someone else can update the group. Maybe bob left you don't need to know or remember this.

Digging through files is boring tedious slow and error prone, databases help keep it fast and easy. Even this page is part of a database. Every reply is too.

Lightroom isn't really a file system it's a databa... (show quote)

It fits perfectly with my workflow, might not work for some, but I'm able to locate what I'm looking for better than ever before. I used to use Photo Shop Organizer, and this is worlds better.

Andy

DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca

Okay - that makes more sense although I still hate the subscription based service - grrr.

mwsilvers wrote:

There are two flavors of Lightroom and one of them is well...light. You want Lightroom CC Classic which works just like Lightroom 6 did. The other is intended for cloud access with limited adjustment functionality and is aimed more for use on mobile devices. You have access to both with your subscription.

DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca

Yes - Adobe has always been a pain in the customer service ass - meaning there is no meaningful customer service. How about this line; I'm sure you users have all heard "Sorry for the inconvenience", that just chaps my hide. It's inconvenient because you make it that way!

burkphoto wrote:

Gaaaaa! Another victim of the Software Name Charad... (show quote)

DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca

I agree. Also, Lightroom keeps your sidecar files if you need them.

blackest wrote:

Lightroom isn't really a file system it's a database and that has a lot of advantages.

If you had a music collection back in the eighties you probably had your albums organised by band name and the compilation albums at one end. You probably would have needed a huge collection to think about organising by genre and then by artist. It was the best we had and it made sense.

With computers physical organisation is not particularly needed anymore. Folders and Files are largely for our benefit. In fact it is an abstraction. A typical hard drive has say 4 platters, you can't say which platter a particular file is recorded on and it doesn't matter the computer is going to retrieve it. It's even more abstract when you say subscribe to a music service if you want to listen to stairway to heaven by Led Zeppelin you probably care which version but you don't care where the data centre is, each play may be from a different data-centre anyway. You will be accessing a database to do this, you access a database when you search with google and it usually finds what you are looking for (along with some useless results to be fair).

The thing with database's they record lots of meta data, some is more useful than others. Band Name, Song Name, Album Name, are pretty useful, song duration not so much unless you are a DJ putting together a playlist to last exactly one hour say.

Lightrooms database is pretty much the same and can present photos located anywhere sorted under any kind of meta data, one of the most useful is the thumbnail, lightroom has thumbnails of everything at different sizes for old files that you don't look at very often these are quite small but if you open one of these old files lightroom refreshes the thumbnail with a larger version. This makes a huge difference in the speed of finding what you want.

Simple searches, complex searches are all the same to lightroom. Lightroom also makes creating a backup easy if a photo is in Lightrooms database it can be backed up. I keep most of my photos on a networked drive under a base folder called lightroom , I also keep the catalog backups there. once every 2 hours I have another system check the files under this base lightroom folder and any changes are copied to another drive. if my main storage dies, i have another copy ready to go. If my computer dies i can install lightroom onto another system load the backup catalog and i'm up and running again.

This doesn't have to replace bridge, if you are working on a project with 100 photo's it's probably easiest to export the 100 photos from lightroom and work on that project using bridge.

Databases are really useful things they allow you to group things by attribute take email for instance in some cases email needs to go to several people e.g 6 people in the acme company if these 6 people are grouped under acme for example you can just select acme and these 6 all get the email you don't need to go through all your contacts to find these 6 if contacts change you can update the group or if its a company address book someone else can update the group. Maybe bob left you don't need to know or remember this.

Digging through files is boring tedious slow and error prone, databases help keep it fast and easy. Even this page is part of a database. Every reply is too.

Lightroom isn't really a file system it's a databa... (show quote)

DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca

Anyway guy's & gals - looks like you all answered my question. I will continue to work with my LR6 & PS5 for now since it's working fine. I will cross that Adobe CC bridge again at a later date and get "Classic" instead of CC.
Thank you.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

DanielB wrote:

Yes - Adobe has always been a pain in the customer service ass - meaning there is no meaningful customer service. How about this line; I'm sure you users have all heard "Sorry for the inconvenience", that just chaps my hide. It's inconvenient because you make it that way!

Exactly... intentional or not, whatever you do or don’t, it becomes part of your business model.

drklrd Loc: Cincinnati Ohio

AndyH wrote:

Do you still have your Y2K defense kit, and the fo... (show quote)

Sorry did not buy into the Y2K issues. I back dated my old computer back then and it had no problem since I really did not care to let the computer to tell me the time and date. The banks had no money of mine back then either. I never been rich enough to have more than what I needed. The government and the banks were working on the Y2K. I figured they had it covered and all the rest like the fake news now was just BS to scare the population into doing what the government wants us to do. Sir the pot till we the people give in is a government political ideal. It occurs in both parties but the most in the democrat party.

EMP is our enemy only because unlike the USA military that I used to build for builds protection into their gear to protect from it.
I do try to leave no real footprint on the net yet I know it is there somewhere. Credit bureaus hold a lot of it.
If the grid goes down your cell phone will probably not work. Your cell in the event of an EMP will fry itself anyway as well as your radio and cable connection and your TV. Any thing digital is vulnerable. All transistorized gear is vulnerable and that would include that little 6 transistor radio you had as a kid. I used to take them apart and make amplifiers out of them for fun as a teen. I have even built a taser out of an old flash gun. I know electronics enough to know just being online like we are now is monitored. I know because I have several degrees in several different subjects (when a job would go away I would go and study a different subject to get another job). I used to maintain a secret clearance in both the government and civilian occupations. Old Marines adapt so I adapt.

Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

I still use Photoshop CS6. I didn't feel like the upgrade to CC provided that much of a difference so I didn't upgrade. I store my photos on my hard drive and use a pocket size usb 500gb drive for back up.

DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca

I did too at first but quickly got used to it. Now I have no issues with it.

johnst1001a wrote:

I hate the filing system on lightroom. Maybe I don't fully understand it, but I don't really want to bother figuring it out. I go to photoshop CC, open my external drive, open Bridge and Photoshop, all my pictures are where I expect them to be, and move them around from drive to drive, folder to folder, and open them with ease from Bridge.