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Jun 17, 2018 19:49:51   #
stu352 Loc: MA/RI Border
 
In answer to your question...

http://www.pbase.com/sb_photos/polarized

I use mine a lot, both on water, for car shows, etc. It fixes reflections, etc, that Lightroom cannot.

Stu

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Jun 17, 2018 19:53:59   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
tomcat wrote:
It does to me too Andy. I wanted to ask the question because I was uncertain about whether the new LR software is capable of reducing reflections with the Highlights slider.


If you go pixel by pixel, you can reconstruct detail that is masked by reflections, and, essentially, mimic the same effect.

I tried it. Once. On an image that I shot because I didn't have the correctly sized polarizer. I didn't count how many hours I spent on it, and the result was not exactly impressive.

Someday there may be a digital process to mimic the results, but I'm pretty sure I'll be dead by then!

Polarizers, even good ones, are cheap compared to our bodies and glass. My time is valuable too, as I'm sure yours is, and five or six hours of pixel peeping to produce an inferior result, while a CPL gives me better results in real time, at a bargain price.

Andy

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Jun 17, 2018 23:41:27   #
pbradin Loc: Florida
 
Circular polarizers are very, very useful in many situations. When I shoot collector car shows, I use them to cut down on unwanted reflections. But you can only get them to work at certain angles to the sun and they will not do squat on a cloudy day. You can also use them to intensify the white clouds and the richness of a blue sky and other colors, again only when the sunlight is coming from a certain direction from the direction your camera is aimed. Their effect is intensified on shorter lenses. If you put one on a 400mm lens the effect will be much less than on a 24mm lens. I used to have one for every filter diameter that my lenses took, but now, luckily, all of my lenses take a 77mm filter, so I only need one. They will do a lot for your photography especially if you shoot highly reflective objects outdoors or if you are doing nature photography. They will also hide things underwater if you want or they will allow you to see things underwater better because it will cut down on reflections. Since you can rotate the filter after you put it on your lens, you can rotate it until you get the saturation you want or get the reflective qualities you want. I never leave home without mine and it is on whatever lens I am using. The downside is that you will lose one f-stop of light.

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Jun 18, 2018 01:13:02   #
MissSue
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I actually did a video all about them - answers all your questions and more - plus lots of demos:

https://backcountrygallery.com/how-to-use-a-polarizing-filter/


Nice tips, thank you Steve. I knew some of it but not as much as you shared and I learned something new today... a good day all around!

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Jun 18, 2018 13:21:11   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
AndyH wrote:
If you go pixel by pixel, you can reconstruct detail that is masked by reflections, and, essentially, mimic the same effect.

I tried it. Once. On an image that I shot because I didn't have the correctly sized polarizer. I didn't count how many hours I spent on it, and the result was not exactly impressive.

Someday there may be a digital process to mimic the results, but I'm pretty sure I'll be dead by then!

Polarizers, even good ones, are cheap compared to our bodies and glass. My time is valuable too, as I'm sure yours is, and five or six hours of pixel peeping to produce an inferior result, while a CPL gives me better results in real time, at a bargain price.

Andy
If you go pixel by pixel, you can reconstruct deta... (show quote)



Sorry you found out the hard way. And, like you said, the results are "not exactly impressive".

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Jun 18, 2018 20:52:05   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
wdross wrote:

Sorry you found out the hard way. And, like you said, the results are "not exactly impressive".


It was a worthwhile experiment.

I immediately went out and bought a good quality polarizer for each lens we own. The experience was worth it, and the lesson learned was invaluable.

You "could" try to reconstruct the lost data in PS pixel by pixel. I suppose you "could" try to build the Hoover Dam shovelful by shovelful.


But the result wouldn't be as good, and it would take you the same time you would need to build Grand Coulee and Bonneville with power equipment!


Andy

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Jun 18, 2018 21:41:30   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Some people prefer to sit behind the computer. Some prefer to be behind the camera. I prefer to spend maximum time behind the camera and minimize time behind the computer. So it’s an easy decision for me. GIRITC means minimizUng time behind the computer.

And yes you can eliminate reflections with software but you have to replace them with something, so it’s not the same as taking the shot with the filter mounted on the camera.

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Jun 18, 2018 22:03:49   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
tomcat wrote:
Many years ago in the film age, a lot of us used polarizers for that contrast and color boost, which are available today rather easily in LR. Just wondering about the reflections though from water and glass. I suppose that the Highlights slider will not reduce reflections as much as a polarizer will? I don't have them for today's lenses and I'm wondering if I should get them for a trip to Maine later this summer.

1. What instances do you use polarizers?
2. Can you get rid of the water and glass reflections with LR sliders?
3. Would they do anything related to contrast, saturation, clarity that I cannot do in LR?

I don't mind buying one, but I remember from the film days, that I was often taking it off when the lighting was too dark to keep up an acceptable ASA speed (now that's a throw-back)
Many years ago in the film age, a lot of us used p... (show quote)
Here is why I use a CPL. I ran an experiment to seeif there was really difference. The first is with the CPL second I took it off. Both withE the same settings- 500 ISO at 1/500 at F-ll

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Jun 18, 2018 23:16:52   #
tomcat
 
boberic wrote:
Here is why I use a CPL. I ran an experiment to seeif there was really difference. The first is with the CPL second I took it off. Both withE the same settings- 500 ISO at 1/500 at F-ll



Interesting that the reflections on the table and the chairs were not removed with the polarizer. I thought that was the reason for using--to remove these.

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Jun 19, 2018 06:38:01   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I actually did a video all about them - answers all your questions and more - plus lots of demos:

https://backcountrygallery.com/how-to-use-a-polarizing-filter/


Steve....I just have to ask....how did you get the polarizer on before the frog hopped away?

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Jun 19, 2018 09:08:10   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
tomcat wrote:
Interesting that the reflections on the table and the chairs were not removed with the polarizer. I thought that was the reason for using--to remove these.


I did not rotate the filter to lessen reflections but to Increase contrast of a darker blue sky and the clouds

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Jun 19, 2018 09:57:51   #
tomcat
 
boberic wrote:
I did not rotate the filter to lessen reflections but to Increase contrast of a darker blue sky and the clouds



OK, understood. But with the sliders in LR, you can increase contrast and darken a blue sky and also make the scene pop, just as you did. So in this instance, a polarizer was not needed to get this same effect.

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Jun 19, 2018 11:09:02   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
tomcat wrote:
Many years ago in the film age, a lot of us used polarizers for that contrast and color boost, which are available today rather easily in LR. Just wondering about the reflections though from water and glass. I suppose that the Highlights slider will not reduce reflections as much as a polarizer will? I don't have them for today's lenses and I'm wondering if I should get them for a trip to Maine later this summer.

1. What instances do you use polarizers?
2. Can you get rid of the water and glass reflections with LR sliders?
3. Would they do anything related to contrast, saturation, clarity that I cannot do in LR?

I don't mind buying one, but I remember from the film days, that I was often taking it off when the lighting was too dark to keep up an acceptable ASA speed (now that's a throw-back)
Many years ago in the film age, a lot of us used p... (show quote)



#1. I usually forget, but when I do remember it is for wet rocks and reflection on glass.
#2. Not to my knowledge, but you might be able to tone something down a bit. Perhaps someone else has found a way to do this.
#3. No, you can do all those things in post. On the sky, just take down the luminance with the blue slider in HSL.

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Jun 19, 2018 21:19:45   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tomcat wrote:
OK, understood. But with the sliders in LR, you can increase contrast and darken a blue sky and also make the scene pop, just as you did. So in this instance, a polarizer was not needed to get this same effect.


So long as you love sitting behind the computer that can work. That is your prefrence. My preference is to get it right in camera and spend less time behind the computer, and have more time for shooting.

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Jun 19, 2018 21:24:34   #
tomcat
 
JD750 wrote:
So long as you love sitting behind the computer that can work. That is your prefrence. My preference is to get it right in camera and spend less time behind the computer, and have more time for shooting.


It takes me less than 5 sec to move those 2 sliders, so it's not that much of a sacrifice. But thanks for your point.

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