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May 21, 2018 11:06:18   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
StarGazerBob wrote:
Hello all! Although I joined this forum a few months ago, this is my first post. I am excited to be here; the knowledge and experience represented here are vast. About me: I made the leap from point-and-shoot (SX50) to DSLR (t6i) about 2 years ago and have taken thousands of photos with the kit lens (Canon EFS 18-55 IS). I also purchased a Canon EFS 55-250 IS, and continued to shoot everything I saw. I learn everyday yet how much I still have to learn and this forum is a great resource for me. Thank you!

My Q: I have read favorable reviews of the Tamron 18-400 Di II VC HLD, so I recently bought a gently used one. I am confused by the effective zoom presented by this lens. Below are hand held shots taken of the same subject at the same distance; one with the Canon 55-250 @ 250mm, and the other with the Tamron 18-400 @ 400mm. Why am I not seeing the proportional zoom increase (400mm/250mm) in the photo taken with the Tamron?
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Great experiment. I too have a Tamron 18-400mm. I am going to conduct the same test comparing it to my Canon 24-70mm L.

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May 21, 2018 13:43:34   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
imagemeister gave you what I believe to be the correct answer. The zoom and its focal distance are related to each other. This would have been more apparent if the comparison were against two prime lenses with one being a 400mm. I doubt that standing so close in the room that you would even be able to focus the 400mm on the keys.

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May 21, 2018 14:21:20   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
imagemeister gave you what I believe to be the correct answer. The zoom and its focal distance are related to each other. This would have been more apparent if the comparison were against two prime lenses with one being a 400mm. I doubt that standing so close in the room that you would even be able to focus the 400mm on the keys.


And yet, he did so why even make that statement?

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May 21, 2018 17:21:34   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
imagemeister gave you what I believe to be the correct answer. The zoom and its focal distance are related to each other. This would have been more apparent if the comparison were against two prime lenses with one being a 400mm. I doubt that standing so close in the room that you would even be able to focus the 400mm on the keys.


Almost. Focus breathing is endemic to nearly all internal focus lenses - those lenses that move internal elements, decreasing the focal length to minimize the minimum focus distance and whose front elements don't rotate or change physical length when you focus. Regular, non-internal focus lenses simply move the glass further away getting you greater magnification, usually at the expense of an FStop or two.

Older macro lenses use a simple design that moves the group of glass away from the sensor, and these are great for focus stacking and other applications where breathing would present a problem. On the other hand, many new lenses are internal focus, including primes, and they all suffer from some focus breathing - some slight, some are absolutely terrible, like the Nikon 70-200mm F2.8 VR, and the 28-300mm, both of which are effectively 135mm lenses when zoomed out to their max and focused at their minimum focus distance.

Here is one post regarding the otherwise very fine Tamron 90mm F2.8 Macro. Not a great lens if you want to do focus stacking by adjusting focus. For very close work it is easier and more reliable to use a focus rail, and move the entire camera/lens assembly to achieve an accurate stack with no breathing.

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May 21, 2018 23:22:33   #
Mustanger Loc: Grants Pass, Oregon USA
 
thanks op & everyone. I never even heard of this phenomenon before. Very interesting reading the links I have a small understanding of what is going on and need to digest it a bit. What a vast hobby we have...love the challenge!

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