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Apr 26, 2018 07:52:29   #
whwiden
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
It is not unusual to expose black and white or even color negative films at a lower than recommended IOS rating. As I alluded to in my original post, many photographer establish their own exposure indexes based on the kid of negatives the lie to work with, works well with their choice of chemistry or is making certain to provide sufficient shadow detail.

At one time, there was a policy at Kodak to underrate all their negative films, usually by one stop, as what the termed a safety factor. Many amateur photographs used the services of consumer photo finishing labs and the concept was based on the idea that an overexposed negative would generally yield a better print that an underexposed one. The film latitude also provided some flexibility. At one point the did away with the safety factor but usually included in there data sheets the fact that ISO ratings were offered at a starting point for photographer to test and make revision to accommodate their own equipment and working methods. 35mm and roll color negative films sicn as KodaK Portra will yield better saturation and tighter grain structures weh overexposed by one stop.

To employ the zone system with 35mm or roll film cameras, many photographer would work with multiple bodies and segregate the film as to normal or plus or minus development procedures.

As for filtration: As far as I can tell from my results, black and white images from digital cameras in monochrome mode, have approximately the same panchromatic rendition as many popular black and white emulsion and react to filters in the same way. A yelly filter will slight darked a blue sky, a red one will provide a more dramatic effect, a green filter will darken a skin tone and lighten foliage etc.

The entire subject of filters usually brings on controversy in that some photographers feel the degrade the image and increase the potential for flare, however, high quality filters have been used by discriminating photographers for years with excellent results. Others profess that they can create the same effects in post processing, that is in digital photography, - perhaps in some cases that is true but I find it more efficient to produce the effect I need in camera and asses the results right on the spot.

In another thread on black and white photography, there is an ongoing argument about filters vs. post processing treatments. One photographer posted a color shot of a white bird against a blue sky and the showed a post processing black and white version where the sky was rendered as jet black. He argued that that effect could not be accomplished with a filter. He is right, however, although it is a striking high contrast black and white rendition, it is not natural. Filter usage usually will produce a more subtle effect or are used to separate colored elements in an image that would record, monochromatically, in the same tone of gray- this is to restore contrast in elements that would blend together without filtration.
It is not unusual to expose black and white or eve... (show quote)


Thank you again very much for your detailed remarks!

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Apr 26, 2018 09:17:00   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
A very nice article, E.L. I'm personally a proponent of using TZS, strictly adhering to it with film and adapting it to digital. It does offer incredible control. The issue most have with it is the lab work involved with determining the various development times and the density curves produced by each. I can think of no better way to obtain control over the entire process from shutter actuation to final image.
--Bob

E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
The truth about the Zone System- as it stands today.

There has been a number of posts pertaining to the status, the revival and art of black and white photography. Theses are good and interesting questions having to do with pre-visualizing subjects in monochromatic form, converting color images to black and white and the aesthetics of black and white as opposed to color.

Inescapably and logically, in theses conversations, the subject of the Zone System and its inventor, foremost proponent and practitioner Ansel Adams emerges. Undoubtedly, Adams was the grand master of his genre and his work and methodology is something that all serious photographers should study and appreciate. Although the system, in its original form, was entirely dedicated to film based black and white photography, there are aspects that can be applied to certain facets of color photography and modern digital photography as well.

Those of us that know and love the Zone System understand its basis of assigning specific steps of the gray scale to key elements in the scene or subject. Many photographers consider the system as the optimum approach, especially to fine black and white photography and therefore advise others who are seeking advice on the subject to pursue and adopt the method.

The problem I see is that SOME of this advice is based on a peripheral knowledge of the original concept rather than all and all it entails. To help clarify things for those who are interested I am posting this, not as a tutorial on the method but a realistic and perhaps simplified overview of if the original practice and what can be applied to today's technologies. Obviously, the Adams system long predates the advent of digital imaging and it is originally film based. The process entails precise coordination of exposure and darkroom technique. There is quite a bit of sensitometry involved in that understanding of the characteristic curves and other aspects of black and white film emulsions was essential. Serious practitioners would determine through testing, their own A.S.A. or ISO ratings based on their equipment, choice of film and developer combinations. Rather than a film or developer manufacturer's recommendations, each photograph would establish their customized exposure INDEX.

Back in the day, reflected light meters had an analog readout and a separate calculator dial. There reading was transfer to the dial which indicated an exposure value and a series of aperture and shutter speed settings based one the value. There were also other points on the dial that indicated exposure alternatives within the latitude of the film- kind of a dynamic range concept. Besides other customized changes in interpreting theses readings, Adams deigned an overlay for the dial with ZONE indications. The “O” and “U” indicators on the original dial were very significant in that much of the system was based on intentional and carefully measured over or under exposure with compensatory processing procedures.

Perhaps, this is an oversimplification but the basic idea was intentional overexposure and under-development reduces or compresses contrast. Intentional under exposure and extended development will increase contrast. Because “pull” processing could cause uneven development and the resulting streaks and inconsistencies in density, the film had to be immersed in a pre-soak bath prior t development in order to slightly soften the emulsion and slow down the initial activity of the developer. Underexposed and push processed film could lack shadow detail s it was important to use softer working film and developer combinations to provide a long toe, that is, a characteristic curve of the film that would make for better shadow detail . Some photographers used a special Pyro staining developer that left a residual yellow stain in the shadows that would automatically “hold back” some of the light during enlarging. Many enlarging papers were less sensitive to yellow light- built in selective dodging!

Analog printing methods were somewhat complex as well in that there were many contrast grades of enlarge papers and numerous paper developers with both soft and hard working characteristics. As if theses were not enough variables to contend with and standardize, there were three different kinds of enlargers; point source, condenser and diffusion and later on, cold light each with its own contrast and grain rendering characteristics.

Many of the finer finer printing papers had their quirks as well. This “nostalgia” about “watching the image materialize in the developer” wasn't all that much of a thrill- it was hard and precise work. You had to judge the density under a very dim safe-light and the rate at which it came up was an indication of whether or not you exposed the paper correctly. You needed to make certain that all the chemicals were temperature controlled and remember that over immersion in the stop-bath could cause water soak, a breakdown of the paper base, or over immersion in the fixer could cause bleaching of the image. Some papers had a significant degree of “dry down” which meant that a print that looked perfectly exposed in the fixer and wash water would become unacceptably darker when dry. There was allot of good old fashioned eyeballing in the darkroom sink!

I mention much of this because some have suggested that the best black and white work means reverting back to film and the classic Zone System. Unless someone is already experienced and fully equipped for the old process, it is highly unlike that anyone could easily replicate the entire system not would the want to. Even for experienced workers, sadly enough, much of the films, materials and chemicals are no longer in manufacture or easily obtained. It is also notable that original was intended for large format sheet or cut film where by each sheet could be individually or batch processed accordingly.

Over the years, there have been some practical adaptations of the method for roll films, certain color films and of course, digital photography.

As I alluded to earlier, this is not a tutorial on the system. There are many online and published tutorials on the Zone System in digital technology. There is the Chroma-Zone method for color workers.

So...what's my experience and history with the Zone System? Many decades ago I was heavy involved in black and white photography, mostly on a commercial basis. I was doing a good volume of advertising and product work where good reproduction of my prints was an ongoing requirement.- that was my day job. On weekends, I was shooting weddings in black and white- color was not as popular and commonplace as yet. I was dealing with white detailed wedding dresses and black formal-wear and was very interested fine print quality. Black and white portraiture was also one on my “first loves”.

I obtained, studied and attempted to memorize all of the Adams books and began to press some of the techniques into practical use and adopt the methods for other than landscape photography. A few years later, I attended an Adams workshop and among other wonderful experiences, I watched the master producing photo-murals form 8x10 negatives in a horizontally oriented enlarger mounted on tracks. The funny thing is I never wanted to become a landscape or nature photographer nor did I have dreams or delusions that I was gonna be the next Ansel. What I took away from the study and experience is a number of sound workable techniques that I could apply to my own work. For those who are interested in its application to their own work, the best approach is to EXTRACT the theories and techniques that apply to your kind of work.

There are certain theories that only apply to film. In portraiture, my film method was to expose for the shadows and the print down for the highlights. That works well in both black and white and color NEGATIVE work but in transparency and digital work, there is little or no latitude for the degree of overexposure that would be involved and the highlights would likely be blown out.

Colored filters, that were originally intended for black and white film photography, do indeed work well in digital. I have achieved good results in contrast control in panchromatic rendition and in traditional darkening of blue skies, accentuating cloud formations, lightening and darkening skin tones and lighting foliage. Theses effects are immediately observable on the LCD screen if you camera has a monochromatic mode. If this can be done in shooting, it will save time and effort in post processing.

I hope this helps to clarify some aspects of the Zone System.
The truth about the Zone System- as it stands toda... (show quote)

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Apr 26, 2018 09:51:10   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
selmslie wrote:
That may be easy for some, especially if you live in a cold climate.

Speaking for those of us who live in a warmer environment, developing B&W film at room temperature is more practical - in my case, between 70 and 75F in air conditioning. It's a simple matter to adjust development times from 75F using an app. Development at 75F is about 70% of the time for 68F.



Although higher temperatures will reduce developing times, working at elevated temperatures can reduce quality caused by minor reticulation and washing the film in colder running water can introduce more shock to the emulsion. This also makes the film more susceptible to damage due to accidental scratching. At 75 degree F., if the temperature can not be reduced it becomes necessary to use a tropical developer formula where a hardening agent such as Potassium Alum is added to the mix.

It is not at all difficult to maintain lower and constant temperatures in a small to medium size developing tank by means of a water jacket. It's just a matter of immersing the tank in another vessel containing colder water. I have done this with up to five 3 1/2 gallon tanks in a large darkroom sink and it holds temperature for hours. With a small cylindrical tank it's easy. Evan at 68 degree F. most developing times will not exceed 10 minutes. Times less than 5 minute can bring on uneven development.

Come on y'all affluent photographers- put some A/C in you darkrooms! I know I'm Canadian but we don't live in igloos- in Southern and Eastern Ontario, it's hot as hell in the Summer!


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Apr 26, 2018 09:52:53   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
The truth about the Zone System- as it stands today.

There has been a number of posts pertaining to the status, the revival and art of black and white photography. Theses are good and interesting questions having to do with pre-visualizing subjects in monochromatic form, converting color images to black and white and the aesthetics of black and white as opposed to color.

Inescapably and logically, in theses conversations, the subject of the Zone System and its inventor, foremost proponent and practitioner Ansel Adams emerges. Undoubtedly, Adams was the grand master of his genre and his work and methodology is something that all serious photographers should study and appreciate. Although the system, in its original form, was entirely dedicated to film based black and white photography, there are aspects that can be applied to certain facets of color photography and modern digital photography as well.

Those of us that know and love the Zone System understand its basis of assigning specific steps of the gray scale to key elements in the scene or subject. Many photographers consider the system as the optimum approach, especially to fine black and white photography and therefore advise others who are seeking advice on the subject to pursue and adopt the method.

The problem I see is that SOME of this advice is based on a peripheral knowledge of the original concept rather than all and all it entails. To help clarify things for those who are interested I am posting this, not as a tutorial on the method but a realistic and perhaps simplified overview of if the original practice and what can be applied to today's technologies. Obviously, the Adams system long predates the advent of digital imaging and it is originally film based. The process entails precise coordination of exposure and darkroom technique. There is quite a bit of sensitometry involved in that understanding of the characteristic curves and other aspects of black and white film emulsions was essential. Serious practitioners would determine through testing, their own A.S.A. or ISO ratings based on their equipment, choice of film and developer combinations. Rather than a film or developer manufacturer's recommendations, each photograph would establish their customized exposure INDEX.

Back in the day, reflected light meters had an analog readout and a separate calculator dial. There reading was transfer to the dial which indicated an exposure value and a series of aperture and shutter speed settings based one the value. There were also other points on the dial that indicated exposure alternatives within the latitude of the film- kind of a dynamic range concept. Besides other customized changes in interpreting theses readings, Adams deigned an overlay for the dial with ZONE indications. The “O” and “U” indicators on the original dial were very significant in that much of the system was based on intentional and carefully measured over or under exposure with compensatory processing procedures.

Perhaps, this is an oversimplification but the basic idea was intentional overexposure and under-development reduces or compresses contrast. Intentional under exposure and extended development will increase contrast. Because “pull” processing could cause uneven development and the resulting streaks and inconsistencies in density, the film had to be immersed in a pre-soak bath prior t development in order to slightly soften the emulsion and slow down the initial activity of the developer. Underexposed and push processed film could lack shadow detail s it was important to use softer working film and developer combinations to provide a long toe, that is, a characteristic curve of the film that would make for better shadow detail . Some photographers used a special Pyro staining developer that left a residual yellow stain in the shadows that would automatically “hold back” some of the light during enlarging. Many enlarging papers were less sensitive to yellow light- built in selective dodging!

Analog printing methods were somewhat complex as well in that there were many contrast grades of enlarge papers and numerous paper developers with both soft and hard working characteristics. As if theses were not enough variables to contend with and standardize, there were three different kinds of enlargers; point source, condenser and diffusion and later on, cold light each with its own contrast and grain rendering characteristics.

Many of the finer finer printing papers had their quirks as well. This “nostalgia” about “watching the image materialize in the developer” wasn't all that much of a thrill- it was hard and precise work. You had to judge the density under a very dim safe-light and the rate at which it came up was an indication of whether or not you exposed the paper correctly. You needed to make certain that all the chemicals were temperature controlled and remember that over immersion in the stop-bath could cause water soak, a breakdown of the paper base, or over immersion in the fixer could cause bleaching of the image. Some papers had a significant degree of “dry down” which meant that a print that looked perfectly exposed in the fixer and wash water would become unacceptably darker when dry. There was allot of good old fashioned eyeballing in the darkroom sink!

I mention much of this because some have suggested that the best black and white work means reverting back to film and the classic Zone System. Unless someone is already experienced and fully equipped for the old process, it is highly unlike that anyone could easily replicate the entire system not would the want to. Even for experienced workers, sadly enough, much of the films, materials and chemicals are no longer in manufacture or easily obtained. It is also notable that original was intended for large format sheet or cut film where by each sheet could be individually or batch processed accordingly.

Over the years, there have been some practical adaptations of the method for roll films, certain color films and of course, digital photography.

As I alluded to earlier, this is not a tutorial on the system. There are many online and published tutorials on the Zone System in digital technology. There is the Chroma-Zone method for color workers.

So...what's my experience and history with the Zone System? Many decades ago I was heavy involved in black and white photography, mostly on a commercial basis. I was doing a good volume of advertising and product work where good reproduction of my prints was an ongoing requirement.- that was my day job. On weekends, I was shooting weddings in black and white- color was not as popular and commonplace as yet. I was dealing with white detailed wedding dresses and black formal-wear and was very interested fine print quality. Black and white portraiture was also one on my “first loves”.

I obtained, studied and attempted to memorize all of the Adams books and began to press some of the techniques into practical use and adopt the methods for other than landscape photography. A few years later, I attended an Adams workshop and among other wonderful experiences, I watched the master producing photo-murals form 8x10 negatives in a horizontally oriented enlarger mounted on tracks. The funny thing is I never wanted to become a landscape or nature photographer nor did I have dreams or delusions that I was gonna be the next Ansel. What I took away from the study and experience is a number of sound workable techniques that I could apply to my own work. For those who are interested in its application to their own work, the best approach is to EXTRACT the theories and techniques that apply to your kind of work.

There are certain theories that only apply to film. In portraiture, my film method was to expose for the shadows and the print down for the highlights. That works well in both black and white and color NEGATIVE work but in transparency and digital work, there is little or no latitude for the degree of overexposure that would be involved and the highlights would likely be blown out.

Colored filters, that were originally intended for black and white film photography, do indeed work well in digital. I have achieved good results in contrast control in panchromatic rendition and in traditional darkening of blue skies, accentuating cloud formations, lightening and darkening skin tones and lighting foliage. Theses effects are immediately observable on the LCD screen if you camera has a monochromatic mode. If this can be done in shooting, it will save time and effort in post processing.

I hope this helps to clarify some aspects of the Zone System.
The truth about the Zone System- as it stands toda... (show quote)


Thank you for this post! Ansel Adams is a hero of mine for many reasons - including his discipline, his modesty, his concern for the environment, and his willingness to focus on the more mundane aspects of professional photography. It is rare to find the combination of technical innovator, painstaking craftsman, and great artist all in one person. I have a copy of all five volumes, as well as most everything else he wrote, in my library, and they are all well-used.

I used to practice Zone System developing and printing (I once went to a workshop with Minor White) back when I was using 4x5 inch and 120 roll film on a regular basis - but, as you note - the variety of push and pull processing combinations of film, papers, and developers are no longer generally available, and are much more expensive. I devolved into 35mm for years, and have only recently converted to digital. These days I am mostly shooting in color and converting in PP to B/W, but I still use glass filters when I'm shooting directly for B/W images.

It has seemed that expanding and contracting zones in PS/PSE or Lightroom would be relatively straightforward, but I haven't found any direct tutorials online so far. Do you know if there are any?

Again, thanks for a great post - I'm sure it will open new doors for a number of readers.

Andy

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Apr 26, 2018 09:59:21   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
Although higher temperatures will reduce developing times, working at elevated temperatures can reduce quality caused by minor reticulation and washing the film in colder running water can introduce more shock to the emulsion. This also makes the film more susceptible to damage due to accidental scratching. At 75 degree F., if the temperature can not be reduced it becomes necessary to use a tropical developer formula where a hardening agent such as Potassium Alum is added to the mix.

It is not at all difficult to maintain lower and constant temperatures in a small to medium size developing tank by means of a water jacket. It's just a matter of immersing the tank in another vessel containing colder water. I have done this with up to five 3 1/2 gallon tanks in a large darkroom sink and it holds temperature for hours. With a small cylindrical tank it's easy. Evan at 68 degree F. most developing times will not exceed 10 minutes. Times less than 5 minute can bring on uneven development.

Come on y'all affluent photographers- put some A/C in you darkrooms! I know I'm Canadian but we don't live in igloos- in Southern and Eastern Ontario, it's hot as hell in the Summer!

Although higher temperatures will reduce developin... (show quote)

I have the A/C set to 74F in the summer and the heat to 69F in the winter.

I have never had a problem with reticulation because all of my solutions are at the same temperature. The only thing I have to watch out for is the final wash water which comes from the tap at a slightly higher temperature in the summer - not enough to cause a problem.

I also prefer Xtol for small and medium formats over HC110 which I use for medium and large format. I am getting very consistent results either way.

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Apr 26, 2018 10:05:47   #
Nancysc
 
What an excellent summary of the Zone System! Many years ago I took a number of courses with Neil Chaput in Atlanta. Neil had studied with Adams, so we were taught the concepts, even those of us who did not do our own darkroom processing. My dad was a fine art photographer, but he also did event photography for work and the occasional wedding (as a back up/candid shot person), and I remember his light meter and his Voigtlander Bessamatic camera. He did his own processing and occasionally I would watch but it seemed so tedious if it wasn't my shots!

I had no desire to do darkroom work, but learning the concepts really does help one understand what goes on in the computer, and how to make the best use of the camera in the event, not relying on processing to correct poor exposures.

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Apr 26, 2018 10:08:03   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
selmslie wrote:
I have the A/C set to 74F in the summer and the heat to 69F in the winter.

I have never had a problem with reticulation because all of my solutions are at the same temperature. The only thing I have to watch out for is the final wash water which comes from the tap at a slightly higher temperature in the summer - not enough to cause a problem.

I also prefer Xtol for small and medium formats over HC110 which I use for medium and large format. I am getting very consistent results either way.
I have the A/C set to 74F in the summer and the he... (show quote)


You can buy a variety of thermostatically controlled mixing valves, which can easily be inserted into your darkroom plumbing. Then set the max temperature for the temperature you want the wash water at. These used to be very expensive (I think I paid about $150 back in the early 80s), but like many tech products, they've come down dramatically. Pretty simple installation too, even for a non-plumber. Just make sure you can set the max to a range that's low enough, and you'll have a nice, constant temp stream for washing - even an older water heater should be able to keep up with a constant demand for a long time, if you're only looking for 74 degree water.

https://www.amazon.com/slp/water-temperature-mixing-valve/t22qepxhmgr6898

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Apr 26, 2018 10:18:08   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
selmslie wrote:
The filtration affects not only the appearance of the blue sky, it also changes the brightness of anything illuminated primarily by the blue sky and not the sun, specifically shadows.

A yellow, orange or red filter will proportionally increase the contrast between the sunlit portion of a scene and the sky-lit parts.


Right on- exactly. As I stated, many of my remarks are oversimplifications. The old K-2 Wratten filter used to be called the "cloud filter" because of its mild darkening of the blue sky, however, all filters influence the tonal rendition of everything else in the scene.

Also- I am not arguing that camera filtration is superior or inferior to post processing methodologies. Using filters are one way of controlling tonal contrast in a traditional manner. Of course, post processing offers many more incremental adjustments, local treatments and special or extreme effects. Much of the arguments that are ongoing on other threads are confusing original film or digital photography in black and white and black and white conversions from color files.

In the olden days, making good black and white prints from color negatives required special panchromatic papers otherwise, on regular enlarging papers subjects could end up with white eyeballs and black lips. Zombies? Are we having fun yet!

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Apr 26, 2018 10:26:05   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
AndyH wrote:
You can buy a variety of thermostatically controlled mixing valves, which can easily be inserted into your darkroom plumbing. Then set the max temperature for the temperature you want the wash water at. These used to be very expensive (I think I paid about $150 back in the early 80s), but like many tech products, they've come down dramatically. Pretty simple installation too, even for a non-plumber. Just make sure you can set the max to a range that's low enough, and you'll have a nice, constant temp stream for washing - even an older water heater should be able to keep up with a constant demand for a long time, if you're only looking for 74 degree water.

https://www.amazon.com/slp/water-temperature-mixing-valve/t22qepxhmgr6898
You can buy a variety of thermostatically controll... (show quote)

I could but I have not bothered with temp control for B&W in 40 years. It’s never been a problem, even in Miami.

When I did color film I needed it and I used a Jobo setup but now all of my color work is digital.

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Apr 26, 2018 10:46:57   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
selmslie wrote:
I have the A/C set to 74F in the summer and the heat to 69F in the winter.

I have never had a problem with reticulation because all of my solutions are at the same temperature. The only thing I have to watch out for is the final wash water which comes from the tap at a slightly higher temperature in the summer - not enough to cause a problem.

I also prefer Xtol for small and medium formats over HC110 which I use for medium and large format. I am getting very consistent results either way.
I have the A/C set to 74F in the summer and the he... (show quote)


No argument intended! Each of us have our favorite methods, recipes, lotions and potions!

I know I am nuts about certain procedures so I am Mr. Overkill! I mix all my solution with distilled or demineralized water. I keep my temperatures at 68 right down the line. I use a hypo clearing agent but never use it as a holding bath- strictly one minute! This minimizes my washing time. Since I have adopted this method I can make extremely sharp and nearly grainless prints up to 24x30 from 35mm negatives and up to 40x60 from medium format negatives. Many of my 16x20 and 20x24 prints form theses negatives rival some of my older prints from 4x5 negatives.

Incidentally, this is not intrinsic in the zone system as I studied it. I learned this from a darkroom technician who worked at K&L labs in New York City who was in charge of making photo murals. I know it's borderline insane!

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Apr 26, 2018 12:26:06   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
sxrich wrote:
Certainly was a dynamite post.


It would've been even MORE explosive, had Ed used a spil chikr ....

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Apr 26, 2018 12:58:42   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Living and working in the Phoenix area we're lucky to get water cooled down to 74 degrees for 7-8 months out of the year. Those valves would work wonderfully well if one incorporates a water chiller along with the heater. I manage to maintain 20C throughout my film processing, but it is a bit of a pain during the warmer months.
--Bob

AndyH wrote:
You can buy a variety of thermostatically controlled mixing valves, which can easily be inserted into your darkroom plumbing. Then set the max temperature for the temperature you want the wash water at. These used to be very expensive (I think I paid about $150 back in the early 80s), but like many tech products, they've come down dramatically. Pretty simple installation too, even for a non-plumber. Just make sure you can set the max to a range that's low enough, and you'll have a nice, constant temp stream for washing - even an older water heater should be able to keep up with a constant demand for a long time, if you're only looking for 74 degree water.

https://www.amazon.com/slp/water-temperature-mixing-valve/t22qepxhmgr6898
You can buy a variety of thermostatically controll... (show quote)

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Apr 26, 2018 13:11:59   #
Kuzano
 
whwiden wrote:
Thank you for these observations. I have two questions. Do you have any rules of thumb for shooters of bw 35mm roll film? Second, I was intrigued by your suggestion to use colored filters for digital. That goes against the conventional wisdom. For bw roll film, I have different approaches for different films. For 400 speed film, I usually rate the film lower, say 200, and then expose for the shadows, etc. If I must push a roll in low light, I use a different development method, etc. For digital, I under expose and recover shadows in post, etc.
Thank you for these observations. I have two ques... (show quote)


I often set my camera on B/W and then use color filters on the lens for very close to the same effect as shooting film. Gosh, I paid a fortune for all those filters in all those sizes, and I must use them. I have not totally amortized them out in my business, and since I still shoot film, alongside digital, I do get some usage both ways.

That's not to mention the time and brainpower utilized to remember all those filter effects.

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Apr 26, 2018 13:30:56   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
As always, an erudite post from a knowledgeable poster.....

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Apr 26, 2018 15:38:58   #
jackm1943 Loc: Omaha, Nebraska
 
One thing I have done to incorporate my zone system experience from my 4x5 days is to prepare a grayscale step chart using Photoshop and then having it printed by my commercial printer using the same paper I plan to request. I then determine the reflection density value of each step, then prepare a graph comparing the Photoshop RGB value to the reflection density (zone). I am using the following RD/Zone values at this time: RD 1.90+ = Z 0, RD 1.80 = Z 1, RD 1.60 = Z 2, RD 1.30 = Z 3, RD 1.00 = Z 4, RD 0.70 = Z 5, RD 0.40 = Z 4, RD 0.20 = Z 7, RD 0.10 = Z 8, RD 0.00 = Z 9. Since we know that RGB values correlate to the RD (Zone) values, all one has to do is to check the RGB value of an area to know what zone the area will be in the final print. These values seem to be about right using my little X-Rite 308 reflection densitometer. There are numerous methods in Photoshop and other editing programs to adjust local and global values as desired provided, of course, that the digital file contains all that info. For extremely high contrast scenes, it might be necessary to start with an HDR file.

This process needs to be repeated for each printer and/or paper to be used, but it's not nearly as difficult as it might sound.

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