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Apr 19, 2018 15:26:38   #
canon Lee
 
Woodcrafter10 wrote:
My name is Ken and I live in Ohio. I came to this site to hopefully resolve some problems I have with the shots I am taking. The problem is I have no clue as to how to resolve them and it is difficult to even describe the problem. I will attach one shot that may help in understanding what I am up against. I make custom and standard plaques and clocks from hardwood. I built a CNC machine to do the engraving and cutting of the items. I think my workmanship is pretty good and I am trying to sell it on several websites such as Etsy and one I am building now. The plaques are stained with a medium to a darker shade of phoenix Minwax stain and then several coats of gloss varnish are put on. The plaques are pretty reflective so I have had a problem with lighting so the glare is not too bad. Trying to use natural light if possible, but winter time is not a good time to get a lot of that.
The problem(s) that I am dealing with this time around are:

Crispness (sharpness) of the image.
The image appears to bow out toward the camera and the edges are distorted.
Lettering blurs on the left and right side
Anchor does not seem as crisp as they are on the actual plaque
Surface seems to be washed out and is not the same shades as the item being photographed.

I used one 60 watts LED bulb in a reflector pointed up toward the ceiling. I have a very light colored (pale blue) sheet hung about 8 feet from the wall where the items are hung for photographing. The sheet blocks the raw light coming in from a window which causes much glare on the items. The camera is on a tripod and there is a 2-second delay for the shutter. The camera lens is about 16" from the object. The camera is a Nikon Coolpix P100.

I have tried many settings and have not been happy with any of them. If I could get some pointers in setting up for the shot, lighting, and settings on the camera, I would be most appreciative.
Thank you,
Ken Hall
My name is Ken and I live in Ohio. I came to this... (show quote)


Hi Ken... The "bowing" is probably due to the use of a "wide angle lens", which tends to bow the edges.. Back up a bit more using a 100mm lens... I suggest that you bring your plaques to a window and let the outside light work its magic...

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Apr 19, 2018 17:17:18   #
Woodcrafter10
 
Thanks, I have done that and have gotten some improvement.

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Apr 22, 2018 14:07:09   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Woodcrafter10 wrote:
I will try that, thank you.

I also found that the plaques were not rectangular but bowed out in the middle.
My son suggested I use my smartphone, which I did, but I also found my Samsung tablet took better pictures, just now need to make an adapter to mount on the tripod.


That bow you talk about is caused by the lens. That's what the poster above was talking about when he said you have the wrong tool. It may also be a factor of being too close to the plaque with too low of an fstop. Like the others said, set it for f8 or f11 and don't get quite so close and it may help with the distortion.

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Apr 23, 2018 09:04:51   #
Woodcrafter10
 
Thank you, I have moved back about 4 feet and messed with some setting and things improved, not there yet but working on it.

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Apr 28, 2018 11:14:13   #
LouV Loc: Juno Beach, FL
 
A few things:

As others have said, zoom in and get farther away to eliminate the bowing.

Avoid flat lighting. Try two lights, one on either side at fairly oblique angles to try to create some depth in the engravings. Experiment with different positions.

I don’t know the capabilities of your camera but if you can shoot in aperture priority, try different f-stops to find the one that is sharpest. It’s not necessarily the smallest aperture. Most lenses tend to be sharpest in the mid-range.

Finally, to avoid the glare from the varnish, why not just photograph them before you varnish them?

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Apr 28, 2018 22:45:02   #
Woodcrafter10
 
Thank you for your input LouVLuckily I do have the ability to try different f-stops. Slowly I am getting a better understanding of using them. The one idea you have that intrigues me is photographing them before I varnish them.
When I see the plaque on the LCD screen it is exactly what I want, but I can not replicate that view yet if I can at all. That is what has been the most frustrating. It seems if I get the color and depth of the lettering right, (the lettering is approximately 1/10 inch deep and painted black, the plaque is stained a medium brown), it looks blah, my scientific term for not having character. I see shots in magazines of similar items, like furniture and they have sharpness and reflection and character. A lot of this will be my learning by trial and error and a lot of input from all of you who know photography.

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Apr 29, 2018 16:13:56   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
Woodcrafter10 wrote:
Thank you for your input LouVLuckily I do have the ability to try different f-stops. Slowly I am getting a better understanding of using them. The one idea you have that intrigues me is photographing them before I varnish them.
When I see the plaque on the LCD screen it is exactly what I want, but I can not replicate that view yet if I can at all. That is what has been the most frustrating. It seems if I get the color and depth of the lettering right, (the lettering is approximately 1/10 inch deep and painted black, the plaque is stained a medium brown), it looks blah, my scientific term for not having character. I see shots in magazines of similar items, like furniture and they have sharpness and reflection and character. A lot of this will be my learning by trial and error and a lot of input from all of you who know photography.
Thank you for your input LouVLuckily I do have the... (show quote)


The great thing about digital is that it costs nothing to shoot hundreds of trial shots. Unlike the old days of film where you had to send it out for processing and pay and pay and pay. Keep working at it. You'll get there. Nobody mentioned the possibility of renting a high quality camera and lens setup for a few days. It's very reasonable in most places to rent a camera, lens and lightbox setup. SOme places around here even have a studio you can rent by the hour.

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Apr 30, 2018 10:49:34   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
Pixelstan has it correct - there is light contamination off to the right. I would light from the top of this plaque at 45 degrees with diffused light and you can use a reflector from the bottom to help. Pull back - 16" is way to close and that's why your getting so much distortion and probably why your letters aren't in focus on the edges. Pull back and zoom in to crop. I would use min f5-f6 for aperture for a little more depth of field but you may have to bump your light up a bit for that. Make sure your centered vertically and horizontally on you item as Pixelstan suggested. Last - color cast off your ceiling, walls and backdrop will affect the color of your subject so try to get clean light directly on your item don't reflect it off the ceiling. I would suggest a white background not the light blue.
Woodcrafter10 wrote:
My name is Ken and I live in Ohio. I came to this site to hopefully resolve some problems I have with the shots I am taking. The problem is I have no clue as to how to resolve them and it is difficult to even describe the problem. I will attach one shot that may help in understanding what I am up against. I make custom and standard plaques and clocks from hardwood. I built a CNC machine to do the engraving and cutting of the items. I think my workmanship is pretty good and I am trying to sell it on several websites such as Etsy and one I am building now. The plaques are stained with a medium to a darker shade of phoenix Minwax stain and then several coats of gloss varnish are put on. The plaques are pretty reflective so I have had a problem with lighting so the glare is not too bad. Trying to use natural light if possible, but winter time is not a good time to get a lot of that.
The problem(s) that I am dealing with this time around are:

Crispness (sharpness) of the image.
The image appears to bow out toward the camera and the edges are distorted.
Lettering blurs on the left and right side
Anchor does not seem as crisp as they are on the actual plaque
Surface seems to be washed out and is not the same shades as the item being photographed.

I used one 60 watts LED bulb in a reflector pointed up toward the ceiling. I have a very light colored (pale blue) sheet hung about 8 feet from the wall where the items are hung for photographing. The sheet blocks the raw light coming in from a window which causes much glare on the items. The camera is on a tripod and there is a 2-second delay for the shutter. The camera lens is about 16" from the object. The camera is a Nikon Coolpix P100.

I have tried many settings and have not been happy with any of them. If I could get some pointers in setting up for the shot, lighting, and settings on the camera, I would be most appreciative.
Thank you,
Ken Hall
My name is Ken and I live in Ohio. I came to this... (show quote)

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Jun 19, 2018 01:34:25   #
Pixeldawg Loc: Suzhou, China
 
An 8X10 to do this? Overkill to the extreme. If you can get 2 lights and place at 45 degrees to the sign, then place polarizer covers over them, which are not too expensive, then a polarizing filter over the camera lens and use a tripod and medium focal length lens, you can make this perfect. And to ensure that the lights are correct, you can place a pencil perpendicular to the sign, and adjust until you see no shadows in any direction.

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