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Apr 11, 2018 13:57:16   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Concur—although I think the DSLR will be around for awhile. The niche, however, will become more defined (and smaller). That’s inevitable.


Agree. Dslrs are not going anywhere, but the millions of mirrorless cameras that were sold, were sold instead of dslrs.

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Apr 11, 2018 13:57:46   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
lamiaceae wrote:
True, but if he has a F, F2 or F3, etc. still, they may keep working until the sun consumes the earth.


Yes. I still have my FM here on my desk, loaded with Kodak ASA 400, ready for action.

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Apr 11, 2018 13:58:50   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
tdekany wrote:
Agree. Dslrs are not going anywhere, but the millions of mirrorless cameras that were sold, were sold instead of dslrs.


And will continue to be - in increasing numbers.

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Apr 11, 2018 14:01:14   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
CatMarley wrote:
Yes. I still have my FM here on my desk, loaded with Kodak ASA 400, ready for action.


I have an FM2 with the Fuji slide film (what else?!)


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Apr 11, 2018 14:02:38   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Page 10 - do I hear any more bids {or entertainment}??



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Apr 11, 2018 14:02:45   #
Blaster34 Loc: Florida Treasure Coast
 
CatMarley wrote:
Absolutely! Personal choice and need. Some people like me have no use for something more than an effective 345 mm of reach. (my 55 - 230) If I needed 600 mm I can get a 100 - 400 Fuji lens that weighs 3 pounds. Which is no small rig, but is still smaller than the Nikon equivalent. But it is not the size as much as the ease of use, which you may eventually learn.


I've held and shot a Bazooka Cat, and believe me, they're way more than 10 lbs and they take awful pictures...stay with your Fuji

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Apr 11, 2018 14:08:07   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Steve, truly what planet are you living on ? Speed and Performance. That is EXACTLY why pros are switching to Sony Mirrrorless. The A9 has 20fps , no viewfinder blackout, in silent shooting, with an exclusive stacked sensor for no rolling shutter and no banding. NO DSLR has ever matched this performance and speed. Even the A7RIII and A7III shoot 10fps, both mechanical and silent shutter. better than the D850. Image quality is tops. A7RIII got same 100 score as D850 from DXO testing. And beat D850 with other exclusive features. EVF are great now, no lag now and allows you to SEE and adjust ALL your settings, before shutter release, no chimping needed like in a DSLR.

Sonys are weathersealed and pros have shot in blowing desert sands, and freezing rain with no issues. I personally shot for three weeks in the rain on trek through Scotland Highlands and had no issues whatsoever. Sony has over 41 E-Mounts lens, plus there are dozens of other E-Mount lenses from Sigma, Tamron, Samyang/Rokinon and others. There is no shortage of lenses. And you still can use fast 300 ,400 and 600mm fast lenses from Sony A-Mount on any E-Mount Sony camera with Sony adapter with full focus. Sony has 100-400mm now and new 400 f2.8 later this year. Sony uses can also use top Canon long glass with adapters and are doing it.

Sony menus are bigger because their cameras do more. Once you set up your preferences and custom buttons, you never have to use menu anymore, not really an issue anymore.

Sony cameras were at the Winter Olympics and other top sporting events like Super bowl, US Open tennis, US Open Golf ,Kentucky derby and other events. and you will see them more and more in upcoming events. Get out of your denial, the change is happening and more and more each day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtOIz_LT9SM&t=34s
https://petapixel.com/2018/01/23/photographer-david-burnett-switches-sony-40-years-shooting-canon/
https://petapixel.com/2017/05/09/shooting-kentucky-derby-20fps-sony-a9/
https://alphauniverse.com/stories/sony-a9-s-features-unmatched-at-u-s--open/
https://alphauniverse.com/stories/sports-pro-s-gear-for-the-winter-games-in-south-korea/
https://alphasports.pro/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/features/why-i-switched-canon-sony-colby-brown
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/explora/photography/features/why-i-switched-nikon-sony-matt-kloskowski
https://alphauniverse.com/artisans/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMP4vJr6cGk
Steve, truly what planet are you living on ? Speed... (show quote)


LOL, take it easy :) Just a friendly discussion.

First, mirrorless may be getting closer than I first suspected - I forgot about the a9 - although, didn't / doesn't it have problems with overheating? I don't follow it too closely at this point, probably will when Nikon gets in the game this year. No argument, those performance numbers are impressive. Although the Kentucky derby test didn't seem too impressive. My D5 or D850 would have nailed it :)

Also, I'll beg to differ on the weather sealing. The Sony was the only camera to die in this test - that Nikon and Canon easily passed:
https://www.imaging-resource.com/articles/2017-weather-testing-nikon-d850-vs-sony-a7riii-canon-5div-olympus-e-m1II

Also, I don't really like using adapters - it's one more component to go bad / leak. I need a complete system that has the lenses I need (i.e. big primes). This is probably why, while Sony was at the olympics, you didn't see much of them - they just don't have the lens lineup. When you buy a camera, you buy the system and Sony isn't there yet - at least not for me. Obviously, it is for some, and that's cool. Not everyone can be shoehorned into a paradigm.

And that's really my point.

DSLRs won't die off until there is no longer an advantage to them. If a mirrorless system came out that gave me everything I need and more, I'd be all over it. I'm hoping Nikon gives us something this year that delivers the specs, the system, and the ruggedness needed for the kind of work I do.

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Apr 11, 2018 14:15:47   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Oh no, are my 5DIV, 5DSr, 80D, 7DII, 6D, D500 and D7200 going to suddenly stop working?!


Yep

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Apr 11, 2018 14:18:07   #
Edia Loc: Central New Jersey
 
You can't stop progress. When I started photography, the SLR was the thing. Then came the DSLR and film all but disappeared. Now Mirrorless cameras are coming of age and the future of DSLR's may be numbered. There will always be something new and improved coming along. There will be overlap between the old and the new but in the end the new will win out.

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Apr 11, 2018 14:52:16   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Steve Perry wrote:
LOL, take it easy :) Just a friendly discussion.

First, mirrorless may be getting closer than I first suspected - I forgot about the a9 - although, didn't / doesn't it have problems with overheating? I don't follow it too closely at this point, probably will when Nikon gets in the game this year. No argument, those performance numbers are impressive. Although the Kentucky derby test didn't seem too impressive. My D5 or D850 would have nailed it :)

Also, I'll beg to differ on the weather sealing. The Sony was the only camera to die in this test - that Nikon and Canon easily passed:
https://www.imaging-resource.com/articles/2017-weather-testing-nikon-d850-vs-sony-a7riii-canon-5div-olympus-e-m1II

Also, I don't really like using adapters - it's one more component to go bad / leak. I need a complete system that has the lenses I need (i.e. big primes). This is probably why, while Sony was at the olympics, you didn't see much of them - they just don't have the lens lineup. When you buy a camera, you buy the system and Sony isn't there yet - at least not for me. Obviously, it is for some, and that's cool. Not everyone can be shoehorned into a paradigm.

And that's really my point.

DSLRs won't die off until there is no longer an advantage to them. If a mirrorless system came out that gave me everything I need and more, I'd be all over it. I'm hoping Nikon gives us something this year that delivers the specs, the system, and the ruggedness needed for the kind of work I do.
LOL, take it easy :) Just a friendly discussion. ... (show quote)


Steve, big fan, use Olympus, but the overheating issues are gone with the new Sony bodies, which you can see are slightly bigger now, starting with the A9.

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Apr 11, 2018 14:58:48   #
Paladin48 Loc: Orlando
 
rmorrison1116 wrote:
Oh no, are my 5DIV, 5DSr, 80D, 7DII, 6D, D500 and D7200 going to suddenly stop working?!


If the camera companies could get away with it that would happen. Taking "Planned Obsolescence" to a higher (lower?) level.
RESISTANCE IS FUTILE ... YOU WILL ASSIMILATE!!! .....


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Apr 11, 2018 15:16:10   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
tdekany wrote:
Steve, big fan, use Olympus, but the overheating issues are gone with the new Sony bodies, which you can see are slightly bigger now, starting with the A9.


Thanks - good to know, I'm glad they got it fixed.

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Apr 11, 2018 15:20:12   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
Y2K could have been a disaster, if not for the diligence of programmers and developers around the world. That was a SERIOUS lesson in how not to cut corners on field lengths in databases! Tiny savings over the previous decades resulted in $billions of expenses on rewrites and new systems.

In 1994, the company I worked for “stress-tested” all our PC and AS-400 systems by rolling over dates. They failed completely! Executives watched in disbelief and horror (AND with relief that we had time to fix things), as almost nothing in the test instances made sense when the year rolled over from ‘99’ to ‘00’. The race was on...
Y2K could have been a disaster, if not for the dil... (show quote)


Absolutely!!! People for the most part are unaware of all the stuff that had to be done to get ready. I recall all the prep work we did to be ready.

And when the big day did strike, I only heard of minor problems with mostly small businesses that had tried to just ignore the lead up to the year 2000 rollover.

The next big one is when the UNIX clocks roll over in the year 2036 if I remember correctly.

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Apr 11, 2018 15:52:39   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Steve Perry wrote:
Thanks - good to know, I'm glad they got it fixed.



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Apr 11, 2018 16:04:18   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I will never understand why folk get so adamant about issues like this. I can't see DSLRs disappearing any times soon and I have nothing against mirrorless cameras. Nor do I feel there should be a "law against" skylight filters, post processing, portrait retouching or the use of electronic flash, one way or the other. There is a time and a place for any kind of gear in photography and it is up to each individual photographer as to choices, options and methods.

All of theses issues are debatable. If a photographer prefers to stick to whatever he or she is using or doing, that does not mean that they are reactionary, foolish, in denial or are opposed to progress or advancements in technology.

I am certainly not "stingy" when it comes to purchasing high end gear, my account and lovely wife can attest to that. Before I re-tool, invest in different systems, I carefully asses the situation. If the new stuff will enable me to improve or enhance the quality of my photography, get me past any limitations of my present gear, improve efficiency or production, allow me to enter new markets, and seeing that am in business, I need to justify justify the expenditure. If all of this pans out, I'm in! If not, all I am buying into is some new and shiny but superfluous hardware and wasted money.

PerhasI have a different perspective. I used to shoot weddings with a 4x5 Linhoff press camera- with onboard flash, the thing weigh in at 11 pounds- I managed. After that I went a motor driven Hasselblad system (kinda noisy) and my flash power pack had an audible whine. Compared to my current DSLR and light gear, in a cavernous church, that rig sounded like a lit up police car coming up the aisle! Point is, I never lost a shot because of "mirror slap" and I never had noise complaints from the clergy or anyone else! Nowadays with my current DSLR equipment I can move around like a cat and there are no issues.

If you do landscape photography, still life, studio work and are not working on the fly, what's the big deal with reflex noise, vibration etc. Yo work on a tripod, lock up the mirror and go! By the same token, if you can manage with an electronic image in the viewfinder and can access the range of lens types and focal lengths, I can't find anythg wrong with a mirrorless camera. If you need more compact and lighter weight gear that mirrorless is the ticket.

My dealer let me try out a demo mirrorless camera for a couple of days. It took me awhile to get used to the viewfinder image and I found it not quite as easy to visually assess depth of field in critical selective focus situations- something I could get used to.

I am always will to learn and embrace new ideas and methods. In my professional work I do portraiture, I still shoot weddings, 60% of my work is in the commercial and industrial field. I do a lot of food and beverage advertising jobs, a bit of fashion, assignments on industrial and construction sites, product illustration and architectural interiors and exteriors. My main cameras are a Canon DSLR system and a digitized medium format camera system. I still have some large format film gear wich is used occasionally. So- if anyone can advise me how a mirrorless camera system would fit into this scenario, I am all ears- I am not being facetious or sarcastic.

On vacations and just foolin' around I just pack my Canon and a 24-105 Zoom and my cell phone camera- perhaps a nice little mirrorless would be cool!

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