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Apr 10, 2018 14:51:39   #
Photocraig
 
Hi Leo,
The camera you have is a very good one. I have seen remarkable publishable results from that model. I confirm all of the comments here. Make it your goal to make the very best photograph the SL1 can make. Your lens collection is basic but of good quality. For 80-90% of the conditions, they will serve you well. Each combination of Body and Lens will have a sweet spot. That is aperture, shutter speed and ISO combination that will make a quality reasonably sized print (Whatever the next size or two above the European A size) about as well as any other equipment in ideal conditions. When your skills and understanding reach the point that you can't produce the results you want because something your equipment can't do, then it is time to change.

For example, you have a 135mm zoom. Using that longer focal length, with the maximum aperture (5.6?) you should get enough background blur to separate your subject from the background. Perfect that technique and move on to your next project. For the spectacular landscapes and seascapes your beautiful country has to offer, you have plenty of camera and lenses to get great results. There are many ways to photograph different subject types and to produce different effects. Study those and make the best photos you can. With the skills learned doing this you will know what to do next.
C

This is a hobby and an endless pursuit of beauty and enjoyment. Do not let others tell you how to spend your money. Use their support to learn more. Read, and You Tube is an excellent resource. And, when of your photo buddies says you need something else, ask him or her to prove it. Shoot the subject side by side. Ask to borrow that 50mm 1.8 lens and see the results on your SL1 before you spend the money. By the way it's the least expensive lens you can buy. But use theirs for a few shots and see if YOU can SEE the difference and decide if it worth the $100 or so, to YOU. Same is true for the rest of it. Put your card into the "better" body and shoot what you just shot on the SL1. Then decide just HOW much better that "better" body really is for your purposes.

It isn't the camera, it's the photographer. Just like it isn't the glass it's the Ouzo.

C

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Apr 10, 2018 14:56:53   #
bkyser Loc: Fly over country in Indiana
 
Hey Leo,
Just look at it this way. If we all used the exact same lenses, and same camera bodies (and same settings, and same techniques) we'd just end up with a bunch of photos that all look the same, and boy, wouldn't that be a boring world. You having something different, means that you will see the world a little differently through the lens, and will capture your images in a beautiful and unique way.

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Apr 10, 2018 15:17:18   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
LeoDK wrote:
I plan to post pics once i figure post processing, i am using camera raw and ps cs5, its what i have when i was in college in the us, they charged me 2k back then for the suite.

Thank you all for the comments and replies. I am currenlty back in US , so i also have to get lens now before i go back, it is not easy to get deliveries where I live. And its expensive, once we paid 150 in shipping cost , same price as item we purchased. So figure easy ro buy now with 200 budget and take back with me.

But i am going to keep my gear now, and not get a new camera. Thank you for that advice.

Is there a lense for under 200 worth using for night sky shots. Astrophotography that I should consider? Not that I will buy it right away, but that i can resaerch and decide to buy before i head back in may?

Sorry for asking so many questions.

And i know my friends mean well, but i dont think they realize that I do not have a continuos income in Greece, since they told me to sign up for the Pscc and lightroomcc for a monthly fee lol.

Again. Thank you all for your input, it is much appreciated.

Kind Regards,

Leonidas
I plan to post pics once i figure post processing,... (show quote)


For Astro / night sky shots you should investigate Rokinon. They seem to take the prize for low cost, fast, wide lenses. I have the Rokinon 12mm F2.0 for my aps-c Sony A6000 and it works great. It also comes in a Canon mount.

See a used one here : https://www.adorama.com/us%20%20%20%20949282.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqZ_CnLWw2gIVC1YNCh2aOw_0EAYYCCABEgJMzfD_BwE

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Apr 10, 2018 15:45:10   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
Learn with what you have before you make a huge investment on upgraded equipment. As you get better and more proficient at photography you automatically start to realize what you need to take your craft further. Remember that your working in digital so your computer and software play a big part in that learning process.
LeoDK wrote:
Hello Guys and Gals,

I am in a bit of confused state. I have 4 lenses that I got for a decent rate, an 18-55mm(which i do not use), an17-85mm usm, an 18-135mm and a 55-250mm stm kit lens. My dilema is that my friends that are into photography tell me I have to get a 70-300mm and a 50mm f1.8 , and that I should ditch my rebel sl1 as soon as possible. I know that I am brand new to photography but I am on a very tight budget, euros only get you so far in Greece.

Should i listen to them and upgrade already? I think I want to only shoot landscapes, and the night sky (the moon, stars, milky way since I will not have any light pollution from My village in Greece. ) From reading some of the forumns on here i do know i need a lower fstop of 2.8 or lower. I just know that it takes 4months for me to come up with 200 extra to spend.

Anyone know a good alternative, I am trying to sell the 18-55 kit lens. I plan to keep the other three,

Sorry for the long post, I am just confused since I thought I did good with my purchase and keeping myself under 600 usd for a beginner. Any opinions or comments are appreciated.

Kind regards,

Leonidas D.K.
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Apr 10, 2018 16:21:45   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
Don't worry, be happy with what you have and shoot, shoot, shoot! You'll know when it's time for a change.

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Apr 10, 2018 17:14:54   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
For night sky shots you can use any of your lenses with a tripod and a time exposure. There is a formula to get, or to avoid, star trails. Since you have a crop sensor camera multiply your focal length by 1.5 to get a full frame equivalent focal length. Divide that number into 500, and that is the number of seconds at which you start seeing star trails in your image. Use iso 100 and the widest aperture on your lens, and a tripod with the 10 second timer on the camera to take the picture hands free and avoid shaking the tripod or camera. For example, if you are using your 18mm lens at 18mm, 500/(18*1.5)= 500/27= 18 seconds. A time exposure will start to get star trails at 18 seconds. A time exposure will also detect many hundreds or even thousands of stars that the eye doesn't see.

For moon shots use your 250 mm lens at iso 100 at the widest aperture. Use your live view to see the moon. At first it may look like a bright blob of light. Increase your shutter speed until you see dark contrasts on the moon's surface, then focus and take the shot. In CS5, crop the shot, then adjust the shadows/highlights sliders to bring out all the features on the moon.

Regarding CS5, I have CS6 which is very similar. Most of my post processing is just cropping and using the auto tone, auto contrast, and sometimes auto color (one at a time so I can undo any one that doesn't look good) under the image tab, then moving the sliders on brightness/contrast and the sliders in shadows/highlights, both under image tab under adjustments. When you are done, save the image with a new name so you keep the original untouched. You should be able to figure this out in a couple of hours of practice. These make the greatest changes to your picture and usually just take a few minutes.

As a beginner you may look to better equipment as being a way to get better pictures. But while decent equipment is needed (you have that) better equipment will have a minimal effect. It's like playing music. A $500 guitar is a decent guitar. Buying a $5,000 guitar won't make you sound any better.
LeoDK wrote:
I plan to post pics once i figure post processing, i am using camera raw and ps cs5, its what i have when i was in college in the us, they charged me 2k back then for the suite.

Thank you all for the comments and replies. I am currenlty back in US , so i also have to get lens now before i go back, it is not easy to get deliveries where I live. And its expensive, once we paid 150 in shipping cost , same price as item we purchased. So figure easy ro buy now with 200 budget and take back with me.

But i am going to keep my gear now, and not get a new camera. Thank you for that advice.

Is there a lense for under 200 worth using for night sky shots. Astrophotography that I should consider? Not that I will buy it right away, but that i can resaerch and decide to buy before i head back in may?

Sorry for asking so many questions.

And i know my friends mean well, but i dont think they realize that I do not have a continuos income in Greece, since they told me to sign up for the Pscc and lightroomcc for a monthly fee lol.

Again. Thank you all for your input, it is much appreciated.

Kind Regards,

Leonidas
I plan to post pics once i figure post processing,... (show quote)

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Apr 10, 2018 21:51:19   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
You might like to know that 10 seconds at f4 asa 2000 is a good place to start when photographing stars

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Apr 11, 2018 06:26:46   #
Don, the 2nd son Loc: Crowded Florida
 
repleo wrote:

Some of us here on UHH could go out and buy a nice camera or lens for a days pay, but would have to save for a year (or more) for a photo trip to Greece. You have such great opportunities on your door step. Use what you have and make the most of your surroundings.
Post some pics to make us envious.
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Apr 11, 2018 07:12:19   #
ToBoldlyGo Loc: London U.K.
 
You'll also have plenty of people here say you need to invest in Lightroom. Ignore them. Yes you can download a free trial, but even if you had the budget for it, there are lots of other ways to manage and edit your photos. Use the software you are comfortable with, and investigate other options if you decide it isn't doing what you like.

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Apr 11, 2018 07:30:04   #
whwiden
 
The only lens I would consider adding is a 50mm prime for low light and depth of field. I do not know canon but gather your camera is aps-c. Perhaps a fast 35mm prime. That would be my first lens addition, but no rush.

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Apr 11, 2018 07:39:41   #
cval52
 
I still have my Canon Rebel, and it still takes great photos. Will never get rid of it.

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Apr 11, 2018 08:00:27   #
enygy Loc: LI, NY
 
Lots of great advice here...
Make sure you have a good tripod for Astrophotography.


Bobspez wrote:
For night sky shots you can use any of your lenses with a tripod and a time exposure. There is a formula to get, or to avoid, star trails. Since you have a crop sensor camera multiply your focal length by 1.5 to get a full frame equivalent focal length. Divide that number into 500, and that is the number of seconds at which you start seeing star trails in your image. Use iso 100 and the widest aperture on your lens, and a tripod with the 10 second timer on the camera to take the picture hands free and avoid shaking the tripod or camera. For example, if you are using your 18mm lens at 18mm, 500/(18*1.5)= 500/27= 18 seconds. A time exposure will start to get star trails at 18 seconds. A time exposure will also detect many hundreds or even thousands of stars that the eye doesn't see.

For moon shots use your 250 mm lens at iso 100 at the widest aperture. Use your live view to see the moon. At first it may look like a bright blob of light. Increase your shutter speed until you see dark contrasts on the moon's surface, then focus and take the shot. In CS5, crop the shot, then adjust the shadows/highlights sliders to bring out all the features on the moon.

Regarding CS5, I have CS6 which is very similar. Most of my post processing is just cropping and using the auto tone, auto contrast, and sometimes auto color (one at a time so I can undo any one that doesn't look good) under the image tab, then moving the sliders on brightness/contrast and the sliders in shadows/highlights, both under image tab under adjustments. When you are done, save the image with a new name so you keep the original untouched. You should be able to figure this out in a couple of hours of practice. These make the greatest changes to your picture and usually just take a few minutes.

As a beginner you may look to better equipment as being a way to get better pictures. But while decent equipment is needed (you have that) better equipment will have a minimal effect. It's like playing music. A $500 guitar is a decent guitar. Buying a $5,000 guitar won't make you sound any better.
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Apr 11, 2018 08:07:38   #
dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia
 
bpulv wrote:
<snip>If you are happy with the quality of the pictures and the features of your Rebel Sl1, then there is no need to change cameras other that to make your friends happy. Save your money and stick with what you have.


Leo,

Even if you are not happy with the quality of the photos, figure out if it is the equipment or your technique that needs to be improved before you buy new equipment.

Keep in mind that you are getting advice to NOT PURCHASE from a large group of people who, for the most part, LOVE to buy new equipment. Most of us here suffer from and are constantly fighting GAS (Gear Acquisition Synonym.) If a group of gear addicts tell you not to buy, that should carry a lot of weight.

Instead, consider posting some pictures you think could be improved and ask for advice on how to improve them. Everyone (well most) here are more than willing to share knowledge on how to improve using the equipment you already have.

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Apr 11, 2018 08:12:08   #
phlash46 Loc: Westchester County, New York
 
JPL wrote:
Start with what you have, no need to rush out spending money on more glass yet. Instead of buying more glass right away you should focus on composing your pictures, learning how to use your camera, learning post processing and shoot raw. It is only when you get good at all this that lenses become a restricting factor for your photography. And all this you can practice without spending any money. Focus on this for the rest of the year, watch youtube videos to learn. Mike Browne has lot of good and short videos on youtube to help you get started.
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Apr 11, 2018 08:48:51   #
twillsol Loc: St. Louis, MO
 
wdross wrote:
Your friends are well meaning, but you do not "have to get a 70-300mm and a 50mm f1.8" right away. And you do not have to "ditch my rebel sl1 as soon as possible". You have working lenses and camera. With a tight budget, you need to save for any future changes. Learn to out shoot them with your "old" equipment. And the future lenses and bodies may end up being more to your style of shooting when you are ready to upgrade. Photography is not a race: it is learning to see and capture.
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