Nikon S - FF mirrorless
Apr 10, 2018 08:35:38 #
Just an obsevation. My first camera of any sort was Nikon S Rangefinder, don't remember S model but was very hard to work with seeing I was 20 and working 60 hrs a week in Thailand (USAF).
Anyway think this and many other Rangefinders of that period were the "in thing" in 1970.
So would these be considered first popular Full Frame mirrorless cameras? Soon to be out poplulared by SLRs already becoming the in thing...
So today trend is reverting back to the mirrorless only digital. Funny thing is many of today's mirrorless look allot like the Nikon S that I had....
Anyway think this and many other Rangefinders of that period were the "in thing" in 1970.
So would these be considered first popular Full Frame mirrorless cameras? Soon to be out poplulared by SLRs already becoming the in thing...
So today trend is reverting back to the mirrorless only digital. Funny thing is many of today's mirrorless look allot like the Nikon S that I had....
Apr 10, 2018 09:07:09 #
ltj123 wrote:
Just an obsevation. My first camera of any sort w... (show quote)
The answer is NO! Cameras without mirror had been made for over 100 years but they are not considered mirrorless. We call "Mirrorless' for short but the requirements to be a mirrorless are:
1. Must have interchangeable lenses. (which your Nikon S did).
2. Must provide a viewing system which is thru the lens. (the rangefinder viewing system isn't thru the lens).
3. Must provide focusing system that works on a thru the lens image.
4. Doesn't have a mirror.
Apr 10, 2018 09:50:37 #
BebuLamar wrote:
The answer is NO! Cameras without mirror had been made for over 100 years but they are not considered mirrorless. We call "Mirrorless' for short but the requirements to be a mirrorless are:
1. Must have interchangeable lenses. (which your Nikon S did).
2. Must provide a viewing system which is thru the lens. (the rangefinder viewing system isn't thru the lens).
3. Must provide focusing system that works on a thru the lens image.
4. Doesn't have a mirror.
1. Must have interchangeable lenses. (which your Nikon S did).
2. Must provide a viewing system which is thru the lens. (the rangefinder viewing system isn't thru the lens).
3. Must provide focusing system that works on a thru the lens image.
4. Doesn't have a mirror.
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Thought today's mirrorless FF lacked optical view, rather like a point and shoot - live view?
Apr 10, 2018 09:50:54 #
BebuLamar wrote:
The answer is NO! Cameras without mirror had been made for over 100 years but they are not considered mirrorless. We call "Mirrorless' for short but the requirements to be a mirrorless are:
1. Must have interchangeable lenses. (which your Nikon S did).
2. Must provide a viewing system which is thru the lens. (the rangefinder viewing system isn't thru the lens).
3. Must provide focusing system that works on a thru the lens image.
4. Doesn't have a mirror.
1. Must have interchangeable lenses. (which your Nikon S did).
2. Must provide a viewing system which is thru the lens. (the rangefinder viewing system isn't thru the lens).
3. Must provide focusing system that works on a thru the lens image.
4. Doesn't have a mirror.
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Thought today's mirrorless FF lacked optical view, rather like a point and shoot - live view?
Apr 10, 2018 11:52:26 #
ltj123 wrote:
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Thought today's mirrorless FF lacked optical view, rather like a point and shoot - live view?
Thought today's mirrorless FF lacked optical view, rather like a point and shoot - live view?
The mirroless can either have an Electronic Viewfinder or just an LCD screen. They are both live view.
One more requirement in my list is that a mirrorless has to be a digital camera. The view camera which meets all the requirements as I posted before but it's still not a mirrorless if it's not digital. Digital view camera is mirrorless.
Apr 10, 2018 12:29:27 #
BebuLamar wrote:
The mirroless can either have an Electronic Viewfinder or just an LCD screen. They are both live view.
One more requirement in my list is that a mirrorless has to be a digital camera. ..
One more requirement in my list is that a mirrorless has to be a digital camera. ..
The Fuji X-Pro 2 is an interchangeable-lens digital with electronic eye-lever viewfinder, LCD and an optical viewfinder.
But it's an APS-C sensored camera.
Fuji skipped FF and went to medium format mirrorless, the GFX.
About the size of most big-boy "FF" DSLR's of other brands.
Fuji X-Pro 2
Nikon D810 with Fuji GFX
Apr 11, 2018 08:48:29 #
MarcH
Loc: Doylestown Pa
The image seen in the EVF on mirrorless cameras is not through the lens
The image comes from the sensor to the EVF or the LED screen,thus you see what the sensor sees
The image comes from the sensor to the EVF or the LED screen,thus you see what the sensor sees
Apr 11, 2018 09:50:15 #
MarcH wrote:
The image seen in the EVF on mirrorless cameras is not through the lens
The image comes from the sensor to the EVF or the LED screen,thus you see what the sensor sees
The image comes from the sensor to the EVF or the LED screen,thus you see what the sensor sees
Didn't the image went thru the taking lens before hitting the sensor? So it's thru the lens.
Apr 11, 2018 10:09:35 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Didn't the image went thru the taking lens before hitting the sensor? So it's thru the lens.
As opposed to a rangefinder camera which has parallax issues when used close..(or a twin-lens reflex).
Apr 11, 2018 10:53:10 #
Funny, where are the "rules" written as to what a mirrorless camera is? Seen someone posts 4 points, but think personal opinions. Wish I still had that Nikon S (working condition) appears to be with worth $s riday.
Apr 11, 2018 11:23:50 #
ddgg
We are very sloppy in our use of language. For some people, "bridge camera" and "super zoom" are the same thing, while for others "super zoom" is a lens and "bridge" refers to almost any camera that is not Interchangeable Lens. Most people mean "Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera" when they say "Mirrorless", and they should more precisely say "MILC". Rangefinder cameras, such as the "Yashica Minister III" I purchased in 1969 with college graduation money {and still kind of worked the last time I tried it} and the "Canon QL19" I purchased in 1973 {and drowned in 1979} were conceptually different because the lens was not readily removable and the viewfinder/focusing was a different optical path. Canon made some inexpensive "A" cameras, but I'm not aware of anything today with a separate optical path for the viewfinder.
ltj123 wrote:
Funny, where are the "rules" written as to what a mirrorless camera is? Seen someone posts 4 points, but think personal opinions. Wish I still had that Nikon S (working condition) appears to be with worth $s riday.
We are very sloppy in our use of language. For some people, "bridge camera" and "super zoom" are the same thing, while for others "super zoom" is a lens and "bridge" refers to almost any camera that is not Interchangeable Lens. Most people mean "Mirrorless Interchangeable Lens Camera" when they say "Mirrorless", and they should more precisely say "MILC". Rangefinder cameras, such as the "Yashica Minister III" I purchased in 1969 with college graduation money {and still kind of worked the last time I tried it} and the "Canon QL19" I purchased in 1973 {and drowned in 1979} were conceptually different because the lens was not readily removable and the viewfinder/focusing was a different optical path. Canon made some inexpensive "A" cameras, but I'm not aware of anything today with a separate optical path for the viewfinder.
Apr 11, 2018 12:10:04 #
My one, and only, mirrorless camera. Although, technically, it has a mirror that is used for focusing. There just isn't one between the lens and sensor.
--Bob
--Bob
ltj123 wrote:
Just an obsevation. My first camera of any sort w... (show quote)
Apr 11, 2018 12:50:14 #
billnikon
Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
ltj123 wrote:
Just an obsevation. My first camera of any sort w... (show quote)
Sadly, NO. But you can still buy a Nikon S if you have the deep enough wallet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/282146078739
Apr 12, 2018 00:52:29 #
Apr 12, 2018 05:51:58 #
billnikon wrote:
Sadly, NO. But you can still buy a Nikon S if you have the deep enough wallet.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/282146078739
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/282146078739
Why sadly? His Nikon S is way above the mirrorless.
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