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Apr 9, 2018 11:46:05   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Tom G wrote:
HEY SteveR,

PLEASE NOTE HOW EASILY YOUR MESSAGE READS AFTER CONSTRUCTING IT USING PARAGRAPHS.

Apparently we're on to health coverage. I'm not sure how Texas did it when other states couldn't, but prior to the ACA, Texas had what was called the Texas Health Pool. It was established in the 90's by, believe it or not, a Republican legislature.
What it did was provide for access to health insurance (much better than the ACA) for those who could not qualify for private health care. It was paid for by premiums and by health care companies operating in Texas.

After my son aged out of our healthcare plan he was still going to school to become a radiology tech. As a heart patient he needed insurance and qualified instantly since he had an aortic valve replacement. The premiums were about $400/mo. since he was living at home. If he had been living in a dorm he could have qualified for a subsidy which would have cut the cost in half. However, we considered the outlay to be well worth the cost. The maximum out of pocket, too, was not as high as in current ACA plans. If he'd had to have surgery or some other catastrophic illness, $4800 is just a scratch in the bucket.

The problem with the current ACA is that for the monthly amount people are willing to pay they get terrible coverage. It would be better to pay for doctor visits and to have lower maximum out of pockets than to have high maximum out of pockets.
HEY SteveR, br br PLEASE NOTE HOW EASILY YOUR MES... (show quote)


I'm sorry you had problems following the train of thought.

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Apr 9, 2018 12:26:35   #
Spectre Loc: Bothell, Washington
 
I wonder if the Prez investments are considered inside trading?

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Apr 9, 2018 12:29:50   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Spectre wrote:
I wonder if the Prez investments are considered inside trading?


Usually while in office a Presidents portfolio is put into a blind trust.

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Apr 9, 2018 14:19:31   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
SteveR wrote:
I'm sorry you had problems following the train of thought.



Well, Stevarino, you're sorry for me? You must be joking!

Train of Thought? What Train? What Thought?

You scribble almost 300 rambling words in one paragraph (about your own problems), and expect someone to read it to the end and make any sense of it? To care about it? And, then to agree with it?

You'll get more understanding at a freeway exit ramp holding a sign with your message written in Arabic.

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Apr 9, 2018 14:33:35   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Tom G wrote:
Well, Stevarino, you're sorry for me? You must be joking!

Train of Thought? What Train? What Thought?

You scribble almost 300 rambling words in one paragraph (about your own problems), and expect someone to read it to the end and make any sense of it? To care about it? And, then to agree with it?

You'll get more understanding at a freeway exit ramp holding a sign with your message written in Arabic.


300 words. You must have some kinda cap.

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Apr 9, 2018 15:47:01   #
Cheese
 
Tom G wrote:
While all the buying & selling goes on, it's still just paper gains or losses ... the final tally is when you sell your stock or mutual fund, Mr. Whiny Whimsy.


Sir, when you invest in mutual funds, the fund manager continuously buys and sells stocks within the fund. This typically generates income (or perhaps a loss), which is distributed to investors as either ordinary income or as capital gains. This is a realized gain, not a paper gain, is taxable, and is reported to the investor at year-end on Form 1099. You do not have to sell your investment in the mutual fund in order to realize this gain. So yes, you can "actually" make money (i.e. have a realized gain) by investing in mutual funds, even if you do not sell your investment. Thank you.

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Apr 9, 2018 21:12:53   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Cheese wrote:
Sir, when you invest in mutual funds, the fund manager continuously buys and sells stocks within the fund. This typically generates income (or perhaps a loss), which is distributed to investors as either ordinary income or as capital gains. This is a realized gain, not a paper gain, is taxable, and is reported to the investor at year-end on Form 1099. You do not have to sell your investment in the mutual fund in order to realize this gain. So yes, you can "actually" make money (i.e. have a realized gain) by investing in mutual funds, even if you do not sell your investment. Thank you.
Sir, when you invest in mutual funds, the fund man... (show quote)



Of course, SIRE, you are correct; that is a given. However, the short term gain or loss usually doesn't dramatically affect the "small potatoes" investor like most of us.

So when an investor realizes short term capital gains on an annual basis, he/she and pays taxes accordingly.

So, shares increase within one year, one pays taxes on Short Term Capitol Gains. Otherwise it is Ordinary Gains.

The obverse is true for losses.

Most people, (not you of course) watch the value of a share of stock as an indicator of what they've gained or lost.

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Apr 9, 2018 22:30:12   #
Jesu S
 
Tom G wrote:
Of course, SIRE, you are correct; that is a given. However, the short term gain or loss usually doesn't dramatically affect the "small potatoes" investor like most of us.

So when an investor realizes short term capital gains on an annual basis, he/she and pays taxes accordingly.

So, shares increase within one year, one pays taxes on Short Term Capitol Gains. Otherwise it is Ordinary Gains.

The obverse is true for losses.

Most people, (not you of course) watch the value of a share of stock as an indicator of what they've gained or lost.
Of course, SIRE, you are correct; that is a given.... (show quote)



Give it up dude. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You can't make a point by name calling and acting stupid. You are embarrassing yourself.

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Apr 9, 2018 23:32:38   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Tom G wrote:
Of course, SIRE, you are correct; that is a given. However, the short term gain or loss usually doesn't dramatically affect the "small potatoes" investor like most of us.

So when an investor realizes short term capital gains on an annual basis, he/she and pays taxes accordingly.

So, shares increase within one year, one pays taxes on Short Term Capitol Gains. Otherwise it is Ordinary Gains.

The obverse is true for losses.

Most people, (not you of course) watch the value of a share of stock as an indicator of what they've gained or lost.
Of course, SIRE, you are correct; that is a given.... (show quote)


My plan is to never pay taxes on those gains. We inherited funds from both sides of our families and had to pay no taxes on them because they were under the amount necessary to pay inheritance taxes. So, we can draw on those funds without paying taxes. They are called "cost basis" funds and are tracked separately from capital gains. Should we exhaust those funds and get into funds which are actually "capital gains" then we would have to pay taxes on those withdrawals. As it is, the only taxes that we have to pay related to our portfolio is on dividends which are, indeed, capital gains, whether we take them or reinvest them. By never getting to the point where we withdraw funds that were capital gains we can pass our portfolio on to our children and they, too, can inherit without paying taxes on what they receive, including the capital gains.

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Apr 10, 2018 07:36:02   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
SteveR wrote:
My plan is to never pay taxes on those gains. We inherited funds from both sides of our families and had to pay no taxes on them because they were under the amount necessary to pay inheritance taxes. So, we can draw on those funds without paying taxes. They are called "cost basis" funds and are tracked separately from capital gains. Should we exhaust those funds and get into funds which are actually "capital gains" then we would have to pay taxes on those withdrawals. As it is, the only taxes that we have to pay related to our portfolio is on dividends which are, indeed, capital gains, whether we take them or reinvest them. By never getting to the point where we withdraw funds that were capital gains we can pass our portfolio on to our children and they, too, can inherit without paying taxes on what they receive, including the capital gains.
My plan is to never pay taxes on those gains. We ... (show quote)



Well explained, and a good plan. Especially, I agree on not paying taxes on the gains.

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Apr 10, 2018 07:42:27   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Jesu S wrote:
Give it up dude. Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. You can't make a point by name calling and acting stupid. You are embarrassing yourself.


Clearly?

Clearly, Jesus, you have no idea about what we're discussing. So, if you can't contribute, and if you continue your inane blather, the embarrassment will be yours.

(Dude? How trite.)

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Apr 10, 2018 10:21:31   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Tom G wrote:
Clearly?

Clearly, Jesus, you have no idea about what we're discussing. So, if you can't contribute, and if you continue your inane blather, the embarrassment will be yours.

(Dude? How trite.)


Sorry, Tom, but we were explaining it to you. According to your previous post you were very confused about how things worked.

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Apr 10, 2018 10:55:20   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
SteveR wrote:
Sorry, Tom, but we were explaining it to you. According to your previous post you were very confused about how things worked.




(Please cut & paste the post where I appeared confused.)

I am (was) not confused, and I understand how the system works. I over-simplified things by considering only the value of the stock or fund price; I omitted the capital gains tax aspect. Be assured I do understand it.

Many (most) small investors use the price of the stock or fund as a rough indication of gain or loss.


And, your ally, Jesus, offered no explanation whatever. And, I hope he doesn't attempt to, 'cause I doubt he knows.

As for my criticism about your not using paragraphs, I stand by my suggestion: use 'em, for clarities sake.

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Apr 10, 2018 13:06:54   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Tom G wrote:
(Please cut & paste the post where I appeared confused.)

I am (was) not confused, and I understand how the system works. I over-simplified things by considering only the value of the stock or fund price; I omitted the capital gains tax aspect. Be assured I do understand it.

Many (most) small investors use the price of the stock or fund as a rough indication of gain or loss.


And, your ally, Jesus, offered no explanation whatever. And, I hope he doesn't attempt to, 'cause I doubt he knows.

As for my criticism about your not using paragraphs, I stand by my suggestion: use 'em, for clarities sake.
(Please cut & paste the post where I appeared ... (show quote)


You also said that they would be taxed on that annual gain which led us to believe that you did NOT actually understand it.

Clarity....you want clarity....you can't handle clarity!!

Perhaps Admin should adopt the Chicago Manual of Style as part of his Forum Rules.

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Apr 11, 2018 16:15:41   #
PinOakEO Loc: NA
 
Every day now the merket goes\/\/\/---

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Clarity was down today? It cost tooooooooo muuuuuuuch!

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