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Apr 4, 2018 12:22:55   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
It is well known that only male property owners could vote early in this country's history, the other claims you made I have not previously heard of and was interested in learning more on the topic. Because you spoke as having some knowledge on the subject I thought that you might easily point to some reading on the issue. Now I am not so sure that you are just making statements from an emotional pov rather than knowledge on the issue.


Just type in the search terms of "freedom of [insert specific freedom here] denied" into your search engine.

the problem may not be that I am uninformed as much as you are just lazy. That is all the help you get from me--i doubt you can afford my hourly rate and I have better things to do than tutor you.

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Apr 4, 2018 12:28:35   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
boberic wrote:
Thats because we are not a democracy, but a republic. If we lived in a pure democracy if the majority voted for the excution of all people with red hair, that would be the law. The tyranny of the majority was very much on the minds of the framers. While the Magna Carta did put restraints on the central authority--the King it did not protect the people form the King's edicts. Remember the Magna Carta was signed the 13th century. Kings could and did order the deaths of many citizens. The devine right of kings came after the Magna Carta. The king ruled with absolute authority, Magna Carta not withstanding.
Thats because we are not a democracy, but a republ... (show quote)


You are trying to advance a phoney rebuttal. I said it was a first step and a source document for our Framers. High school debaters learn early that to be an effective debater, one first must be able to listen and respond accurately to the opponent. Any high schooler would destroy this rebuttal in cross-x.

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Apr 4, 2018 14:24:55   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Bazbo wrote:
You are trying to advance a phoney rebuttal. I said it was a first step and a source document for our Framers. High school debaters learn early that to be an effective debater, one first must be able to listen and respond accurately to the opponent. Any high schooler would destroy this rebuttal in cross-x.


Ok but please explain exactly what a first step is. How much influence did the Magna Carta have?I am not aware of any mention of it in the Declaration or the constitution. Learning to write was also a first step. So is Breathing.

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Apr 4, 2018 14:43:07   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
boberic wrote:
Ok but please explain exactly what a first step is. How much influence did the Magna Carta have?I am not aware of any mention of it in the Declaration or the constitution. Learning to write was also a first step. So is Breathing.


https://edsitement.neh.gov/lesson-plan/magna-carta-cornerstone-us-constitution

Just for starters. Do some research on our origins.

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Apr 4, 2018 14:46:23   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
boberic wrote:
Ok but please explain exactly what a first step is. How much influence did the Magna Carta have?I am not aware of any mention of it in the Declaration or the constitution. Learning to write was also a first step. So is Breathing.

Bob, not everyone is like you. You have to realize that just because you are uneducated and ignorant about some key things that most people learned by junior high school regarding the source documents and inspirations for the Framers of the US Constitution (as well as many other key things that you should have learned but haven't, for some reason), does not mean that other people who are more educated and knowledgeable than you are wrong or "just brainwashed liberals who hate America and should love it or leave it!"

The problem is not with the other people who disagree with you, or the words they use that you want to redefine ("first step", "influence", "corruption", "conflict of interest", "assault rifle", etc.) in order to deny reality. The problem is that you are ignorant, and too lazy or stubborn or blinded by your ideology and fear to correct your ignorance.

But props to you for not resorting to homophobic slurs and other childish insults the way most of your childish winger friends here do on a regular basis when disagreeing or falling flat on your face in debate.

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Apr 4, 2018 18:24:49   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Keenan wrote:
Bob, not everyone is like you. You have to realize that just because you are uneducated and ignorant about some key things that most people learned by junior high school regarding the source documents and inspirations for the Framers of the US Constitution (as well as many other key things that you should have learned but haven't, for some reason), does not mean that other people who are more educated and knowledgeable than you are wrong or "just brainwashed liberals who hate America and should love it or leave it!"

The problem is not with the other people who disagree with you, or the words they use that you want to redefine ("first step", "influence", "corruption", "conflict of interest", "assault rifle", etc.) in order to deny reality. The problem is that you are ignorant, and too lazy or stubborn or blinded by your ideology and fear to correct your ignorance.

But props to you for not resorting to homophobic slurs and other childish insults the way most of your childish winger friends here do on a regular basis when disagreeing or falling flat on your face in debate.
Bob, not everyone is like you. You have to realize... (show quote)


You are nothing more than an ass dragging troll. I recall not so long ago you knew nothing of our constitution and would wager that not much has changed.

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Apr 4, 2018 20:11:14   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Keenan wrote:
Bob, not everyone is like you. You have to realize that just because you are uneducated and ignorant about some key things that most people learned by junior high school regarding the source documents and inspirations for the Framers of the US Constitution (as well as many other key things that you should have learned but haven't, for some reason), does not mean that other people who are more educated and knowledgeable than you are wrong or "just brainwashed liberals who hate America and should love it or leave it!"

The problem is not with the other people who disagree with you, or the words they use that you want to redefine ("first step", "influence", "corruption", "conflict of interest", "assault rifle", etc.) in order to deny reality. The problem is that you are ignorant, and too lazy or stubborn or blinded by your ideology and fear to correct your ignorance.

But props to you for not resorting to homophobic slurs and other childish insults the way most of your childish winger friends here do on a regular basis when disagreeing or falling flat on your face in debate.
Bob, not everyone is like you. You have to realize... (show quote)


I find it very interesting that whenever you disagree with anyone you resort to name calling. That the Magna Carta may have had some influence over the writing of our founding documents may have some validity. But what exactly does "influence" mean. The Bible also had "influence" but the constitution is not a biblical document. Regarding my so called ignorance. There are many things about which I knoiw nothing. Since you accuse me of ignorance I must conclude that you know everything and that gives you the right to judge everyones knowledge or lack of same. I congratulate you for your superior intellect.

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Apr 4, 2018 20:25:17   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
boberic wrote:
I find it very interesting that whenever you disagree with anyone you resort to name calling. That the Magna Carta may have had some influence over the writing of our founding documents may have some validity. But what exactly does "influence" mean. The Bible also had "influence" but the constitution is not a biblical document. Regarding my so called ignorance. There are many things about which I knoiw nothing. Since you accuse me of ignorance I must conclude that you know everything and that gives you the right to judge everyones knowledge or lack of same. I congratulate you for your superior intellect.
I find it very interesting that whenever you disag... (show quote)

"I find it very interesting that whenever you disagree with anyone you resort to name calling."

When the first sentence in your drivel is a blatant lie, then my policy is to stop reading at that point and tell you to come back when you are willing to have an honest discussion. Then we can talk.

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Apr 4, 2018 23:08:34   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Keenan wrote:
"I find it very interesting that whenever you disagree with anyone you resort to name calling."

When the first sentence in your drivel is a blatant lie, then my policy is to stop reading at that point and tell you to come back when you are willing to have an honest discussion. Then we can talk.

I guess I can't read- But in your second sentence you called me uneducated and ignorant. Since you apparently know everything about everything and therefore can judge such things, If you don't know the difference between a VVI or a DDD or a biventricular pacemaker you must be uneducated and ignorant.

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Apr 4, 2018 23:14:27   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
Keenan wrote:
"I find it very interesting that whenever you disagree with anyone you resort to name calling."

When the first sentence in your drivel is a blatant lie, then my policy is to stop reading at that point and tell you to come back when you are willing to have an honest discussion. Then we can talk.

Ok so enlighten me, just what name did Bob call you, other than to acknowledge your intellect?

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