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Jul 14, 2012 08:32:08   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Ok, Democrats let's see you rip this guy up.

An Article written by Mr. Ben Stein.

Source: http://www.shalominthewilderness.com/2011/09/change-it-back-ben-steins-new-article.html
(Not exactly a bastion of Republican thought.)

WE'VE FIGURED HIM OUT!
by Ben Stein

Why was President Barack Obama in such a hurry to get his socialized medicine bill passed? Because he and his cunning circle realize some basic truths:


The American people in their unimaginable kindness and trust voted for a pig in a poke in 2008.
(Pig in a poke means: a deal that is foolishly accepted without being examined first. A poke means sack.)


They wanted so much to believe Barack Obama was somehow better and different from other ultra-leftists that they simply took him on faith.


They ignored his anti-white writings in his books.


They ignored his quiet acceptance of hysterical anti-American diatribes by his minister, Jeremiah Wright.


They ignored his refusal to explain years at a time of his life as a student.


They ignored his ultra-left record as a "community organizer," Illinois state legislator, and Senator.


The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.


Now, the American people are starting to wake up to the truth. Barack Obama is a super likeable super leftist, and not a fan of this country.


The American people have already awakened to the truth that the stimulus bill -- a great idea in theory -- was really an immense bribe to Democrat interest groups, and in no way helped all Americans.


The American people already know that Mr. Obama's plan to lower health costs while expanding coverage and bureaucracy is a myth, a promise of something that never was and never can be -- "a bureaucracy lowering costs in a free society." Either the costs go up or the free society goes away... an historical truth.


These are perilous times. Mrs. Hillary Clinton, our Secretary of State, has given Iran the go-ahead to have nuclear weapons, an unqualified betrayal of the nation. Now, we face a devastating loss of freedom at home in health care. It will be joined by controls on our lives to "protect us" from global warming, itself largely a fraud, if believed to be caused by man. She has also signed on to a Small Firearms Treaty at the U.N. This is a back door gun control move. This is approved by the Senate and a 2nd Amendment majority doesn't exist in the Senate now. It will supersede all U.S. Law and the 2nd Amendment. All citizen possession will be eliminated through confiscation. Just Like Great Britain and Australia .


Mr. Obama knows Americans are getting wise and will stop him if he delays at all in taking away our freedoms. There is his urgency and our opportunity. Once freedom is lost, America is lost. Wake up, beloved America .

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Jul 14, 2012 09:11:03   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Once again we hear opinion that is trying to be passed off as fact. But, having said that, let's look at who Ben Stein is by looking at his past.
1. Speech writer for Richard Nixon
2. Speech writer for Gerald Ford
3. Columnist for the American Spectator
4. Anti-choice for women
In fact the only thing he's a liberal on that I can remember is that he criticized the Republican party (of which he's a member) regarding their treatment of gays who run for office.
Still think he's a liberal?

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Jul 14, 2012 10:36:03   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Frank T wrote:
Once again we hear opinion that is trying to be passed off as fact. But, having said that, let's look at who Ben Stein is by looking at his past.
1. Speech writer for Richard Nixon
2. Speech writer for Gerald Ford
3. Columnist for the American Spectator
4. Anti-choice for women
In fact the only thing he's a liberal on that I can remember is that he criticized the Republican party (of which he's a member) regarding their treatment of gays who run for office.
Still think he's a liberal?
Once again we hear opinion that is trying to be pa... (show quote)


Never said he was a liberal. He is quite honest about being a Republican. The site that published his article is very much liberal. So the fact that he is republican automatically makes his writing suspect. You do not appear to be Republican so does that mean your writing is suspect?

I'm simply asking for someone to disprove what he is saying. Are any of the facts false?

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Jul 14, 2012 11:08:53   #
tschmath Loc: Los Angeles
 
ted45 wrote:
I'm simply asking for someone to disprove what he is saying. Are any of the facts false?


This is too easy. His bullshit statement about gun control is just that. EVERYTHING he states is untrue. Snopes, Factcheck and Politifact have all debunked this tripe going all the way back to 2009. For me, him invoking this obvious lie invalidates everything else he has to say. He's a typical right-wing hack who is all too happy to pass on Tea Party lies and distortions, so nothing he says has any validity.

Besides, he didn't like Ferris Buehler when he had him in his history class. :D :-D

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Jul 14, 2012 11:38:27   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
tschmath wrote:
ted45 wrote:
I'm simply asking for someone to disprove what he is saying. Are any of the facts false?


This is too easy. His bullshit statement about gun control is just that. EVERYTHING he states is untrue. Snopes, Factcheck and Politifact have all debunked this tripe going all the way back to 2009. For me, him invoking this obvious lie invalidates everything else he has to say. He's a typical right-wing hack who is all too happy to pass on Tea Party lies and distortions, so nothing he says has any validity.

Besides, he didn't like Ferris Buehler when he had him in his history class. :D :-D
quote=ted45 I'm simply asking for someone to disp... (show quote)


Finally someone looks at the facts. The remarks about the Small Arms Treaty are an opinion held by many. The fact is that the treaty as a way of enforcing gun control would be unenforceable and therefore moot. So I agree with you and disagree with his point of view.

However, I often disagree with statements you make so does that mean I should discount every point you make as bu**sh*t? Is it really necessary to use such coarse language? We all make some correct observations and some not so correct. If we say that one wrong statement invalidates everything then there is no room for any conversation.

I am no Ferris Buehler fan either. 8-)

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Jul 14, 2012 11:42:30   #
wrr Loc: SEK
 
ted45 wrote:
The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.


Your statement may be true as wrote but loses it's luster when the light of reality is shined on it...

Mr Obama earned the second highest honour in a graduate law degree at Harvard.
He became the first black president of the prestigious legal journal, the Harvard Law Review.
He taught at the University of Chicago for twelve years.
Eight years as senior lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago.


He must have some 'smarts' it would seem, I don't think these things happened by accident.

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Jul 14, 2012 12:20:59   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
wrr wrote:
ted45 wrote:
The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.


Your statement may be true as wrote but loses it's luster when the light of reality is shined on it...

Mr Obama earned the second highest honour in a graduate law degree at Harvard.
He became the first black president of the prestigious legal journal, the Harvard Law Review.
He taught at the University of Chicago for twelve years.
Eight years as senior lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago.


He must have some 'smarts' it would seem, I don't think these things happened by accident.
quote=ted45 The American people ignored his total... (show quote)


First off it is not my statement. The quote is from the article written by Ben Stein. I put it up to generate conversation. Secondly Obama, on his audio books, advances the idea that he was not a good student.

The Harvard Law Review does acknowledge that he was "the first black president" but doesn't list any articles or essays that he published, at least, none that I can find. That is curious.

The rumor is that he got into Harvard based on an undergraduate degree from Columbia but no one from Columbia remembers him. Snopes does not refute that fact. They can only find news interviews with three people that claim to remember him.

I do not dispute your observation that he must have some "smarts". He is the President. That's more than I could do.

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Jul 14, 2012 16:46:30   #
pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts
 
The President is one slick dude for sure.

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Jul 14, 2012 17:29:15   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
wrr wrote:
ted45 wrote:
The American people ignored his total zero of an academic record as a student and teacher, his complete lack of scholarship when he was being touted as a scholar.


Your statement may be true as wrote but loses it's luster when the light of reality is shined on it...

Mr Obama earned the second highest honour in a graduate law degree at Harvard.
He became the first black president of the prestigious legal journal, the Harvard Law Review.
He taught at the University of Chicago for twelve years.
Eight years as senior lecturer in constitutional law at the University of Chicago.


He must have some 'smarts' it would seem, I don't think these things happened by accident.
quote=ted45 The American people ignored his total... (show quote)


He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.

Now we have to be smart and remove him.

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Jul 14, 2012 18:18:05   #
wrr Loc: SEK
 
BigBear wrote:
He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.


In 2017, after four more years, you're going to look back at this statement and realize how foolish you sound, how mistaken you were and just how far astray your right-wing handlers have led you.

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Jul 14, 2012 18:22:54   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
wrr wrote:
BigBear wrote:
He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.


In 2017, after four more years, you're going to look back at this statement and realize how foolish you sound, how mistaken you were and just how far astray your right-wing handlers have led you.


You socialists are so tuned into being "handled" that you really can't understand that there is another point of view that is arrived at through independent thought and observation.

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Jul 14, 2012 18:22:59   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
wrr wrote:
BigBear wrote:
He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.


In 2017, after four more years, you're going to look back at this statement and realize how foolish you sound, how mistaken you were and just how far astray your right-wing handlers have led you.


I don't have a handler nor am I led by anyone !!
I look and listen for myself to what Obama says. He alone tells what he's about if you dare to listen for yourself.

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Jul 14, 2012 18:28:41   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
BigBear wrote:
wrr wrote:
BigBear wrote:
He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.


In 2017, after four more years, you're going to look back at this statement and realize how foolish you sound, how mistaken you were and just how far astray your right-wing handlers have led you.


I don't have a handler nor am I led by anyone !!
I look and listen for myself to what Obama says. He alone tells what he's about if you dare to listen for yourself.
quote=wrr quote=BigBear He's smart. He's smart ... (show quote)


I heard the speech where he said that his goal is "to fundamentally change the way the United States works". He just never said how he was going to change it. Oh yeah, he does say it in his audio book about his early years when he expresses his admiration of socialism.

During my time in the USMC I was taught to know your enemy. I listen very carefully to what he reads off of his teleprompter. Perhaps you don't have a handler, but Obama does.

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Jul 14, 2012 18:42:07   #
Danilo Loc: Las Vegas
 
wrr wrote:
BigBear wrote:
He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.


In 2017, after four more years, you're going to look back at this statement and realize how foolish you sound, how mistaken you were and just how far astray your right-wing handlers have led you.


Seeing into the future is a remarkable talent possessed by few. My congratulations!

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Jul 14, 2012 18:57:08   #
wrr Loc: SEK
 
Danilo wrote:
wrr wrote:
BigBear wrote:
He's smart. He's smart enough how to destroy a country and smart enough to get in position to.


In 2017, after four more years, you're going to look back at this statement and realize how foolish you sound, how mistaken you were and just how far astray your right-wing handlers have led you.


Seeing into the future is a remarkable talent possessed by few. My congratulations!


I was just trying to be nice and to not point out the obvious in the present...

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