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Feb 23, 2018 11:21:51   #
odonnellake
 
Can you recommend pixel enhancement software? At this point I’m using Lightroom for my post processing but I’ve run not a couple of cropped pictures I’d love to be able to print.

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Feb 23, 2018 11:55:05   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
In general, 2X converters are not a great idea 1.4X work much better. Any TC used MUST be compatible with the intended lens or both may be damaged. I do own a 2X converter that I use rarely and only with my 400/2.8. The 1.4X I use regularly. Best of luck.

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Feb 23, 2018 12:02:58   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
cjc2 wrote:
In general, 2X converters are not a great idea 1.4X work much better. Any TC used MUST be compatible with the intended lens or both may be damaged. I do own a 2X converter that I use rarely and only with my 400/2.8. The 1.4X I use regularly. Best of luck.


Agree that a 1.4x is more useful. I’ve been using a 1.4x on my 135 f2L instead of my 70-200 f2.8L a lot recently to save weight for those long days, and it’s a great combo.

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Feb 23, 2018 15:27:07   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
Bill_de wrote:
Regis shoots almost exclusively with a 400mm + 2x, handheld.

Here is a link to one image.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-508921-1.html

Here is a link to his topics.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/user-topic-list?usernum=38916

I think you'll find that a 2x converter can work very well.

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I'd just point out that Regis shoots with the $7,000 400mm DOii lens...
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Feb 23, 2018 16:35:52   #
Frank 2012 Loc: Olathe, Kansas
 
odonnellake wrote:
I am strictly a hobbyist and am looking for an affordable way to increase my capabilities. I mostly shoot wildlife, landscape, and macro. I would love to be able to get closer in on the wildlife and any enhancement I can do in macro intrigues me. Not sure what would happen with the wide angle. I shoot with a common 60D and the following lenses: 70-200 Cannon zoom (1:2.8), Tamron 10-24 (1:3.5-4.5) wide angle, Cannon 100 (1:2.8) Macro, and a couple of cheap Cannon kit lenses 75-300 zoom and 18-55 EFS (that I rarely use). I’m told I could use the teleconverter with both my zoom and my macro lens and that it should definitely be a cannon. I’m wondering what I give up here. Is there distortion or loss of clarity? Can someone with experience help me sort through this? Thanks!
I am strictly a hobbyist and am looking for an aff... (show quote)


I can answer part of your question by showing some pictures when I was using my Canon EF 70-200 mm zoom lens, 1:2.8L IS II USM connected to the Canon EF 2X III extender (TC). Pictures taken hand held while standing on the top deck of a moving cruise ship near Alaska. Camera used: Canon 70D. Pictures taken on bright sunny afternoon.
1st picture: 140mm, f 8, 1/500, ISO 100. 2nd picture: 140mm, f 7.1, 1/320, ISO 100. 3rd pic. 400mm, f8, 1/500, ISO 160.


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Feb 23, 2018 16:53:31   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
odonnellake wrote:
I am strictly a hobbyist and am looking for an affordable way to increase my capabilities. I mostly shoot wildlife, landscape, and macro. I would love to be able to get closer in on the wildlife and any enhancement I can do in macro intrigues me. Not sure what would happen with the wide angle. I shoot with a common 60D and the following lenses: 70-200 Cannon zoom (1:2.8), Tamron 10-24 (1:3.5-4.5) wide angle, Cannon 100 (1:2.8) Macro, and a couple of cheap Cannon kit lenses 75-300 zoom and 18-55 EFS (that I rarely use). I’m told I could use the teleconverter with both my zoom and my macro lens and that it should definitely be a cannon. I’m wondering what I give up here. Is there distortion or loss of clarity? Can someone with experience help me sort through this? Thanks!
I am strictly a hobbyist and am looking for an aff... (show quote)


Since you're new here and may not know the people or the character of the forum, I'd like to characterize what you've seen here in case some of it has confused you. There is little comparative merit to a lot of what has been said. You have people offering you their subjective opinions based solely on their experience and there is no way to hang a value on what they say because each individual has his/her own expectations of what is "acceptable" to them and it may vary widely from one person to the next and even more so from what you expect. In all due respect, you really haven't been given a definitive answer here because many of those who have told you they demand perfection never post any images so we can see exactly what that means and without examples of what is top quality to them, we are left to draw our own conclusion of what they are saying and that often leads to some pretty fuzzy impressions. To check the images posted by the various members, click on their name in the left column and it will take you to their profile where you need to click on their "number of topics created." Clicking on that will open a list of threads they've started and look for ones in the "Photo Gallery" where they have posted their images and see what those look like to determine what their relative qualifications are for passing out advice. Many on here read stuff and regurgitate it as though they have practical knowledge when in reality they only know what they've read. We all do it some and it can have some merit but looking at people's images will give you an idea who is a "talker" and who is a "walker."

Saying you are a hobbyist signals to me that on a good day you might accept a little less actual photographic perfection in a truly exceptional subject than a pro who lives by selling images might expect, and you might like to keep some semblance of balance between the economics and production ratio without breaking the bank. Once the "big boys" cross over the line to making money and spending tons of money for their tools which they "write off," their expectations often become pretty unrealistic when compared to what those of us do who aren't in their class and they often lose sight of what is a good day out for a hobbyist. We each have our own expectations and yours may differ drastically from mine but I have the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS and use a 1.4x on it with great satisfaction for me. I would also use a 2x on it if I had one but it happens that I also have the 400mm 5.6L lens which I would use instead. The 400mm f/5.6L isn't even as heavy as the 70-200 f/2.8 II and I often put the 1.4x on it also with great satisfaction for me. I like my 400 so much that I have even bought and adapted a Sony a6500 to it because of the in-body-image-stabilization (IBIS) with the crop factor taking the 400 to 600, adding a 1.4x gives me 840mm, and using Sony's Clear Image Zoom that Imagemeister mentioned, I double that to 1680 with loss of only one stop of light and all the while, retaining autofocus. I have shot some images I'm really pretty happy with but haven't put them to the test of what the market might bear because I shoot only for my satisfaction.

I would suggest to you that if you really have a question about whether or not YOU would be happy putting a 2x on your 70-200, rent one from lensrentals.com and see how you like it, or better yet, buy one from B&H and if it doesn't meet your expectations you can return it within 30 days and that way you don't lose the rental fee and don't worry about "costing" B&H. It'll be sold later as a refurb and nobody loses. I haven't done that but several folks on uhh have and do.

Below is a shot of a Heron I got with a Sony a6000, the EF400mm f/5.6L and EF1.4x. I don't know how much quality I lost or how much I would have lost had I used a 2x but as a hobbyist I think I'd be happy with the shot with even a little less image quality (IQ). You can decide if it's good enough for you or not.


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Western Kingbird, Canon 5d2, EF70-200 f/2.8L & EF1.4x
Western Kingbird, Canon 5d2, EF70-200 f/2.8L & EF1...

Silver Fox, Canon 5d2, EF70-200 f/2.8L ii IS & EF1.4x
Silver Fox, Canon 5d2, EF70-200 f/2.8L ii IS & EF1...

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Feb 23, 2018 17:30:46   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
odonnellake wrote:
Can you recommend pixel enhancement software? At this point I’m using Lightroom for my post processing but I’ve run not a couple of cropped pictures I’d love to be able to print.


There are several programs, some perhaps even free, but I like these people: http://www.benvista.com/products

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Feb 23, 2018 17:39:27   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Interesting sermon on the veracity of the sources of advice ...

Rather than the questionable ethics of 'buying' something to use and return with no intention of keeping it, you could rent either a 1.4 or 2x extender from a variety of places including LensRentals.com or BorrowLens.com or possibly a store location in your area. I believe both places will also apply your rental fee toward a purchase if you decide to keep rather than return at the end of the rental period. You could also rent a longer lens for comparison at the same time.

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Feb 23, 2018 17:59:25   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Interesting sermon on the veracity of the sources of advice ...

Rather than the questionable ethics of 'buying' something to use and return with no intention of keeping it, you could rent either a 1.4 or 2x extender from a variety of places including LensRentals.com or BorrowLens.com or possibly a store location in your area. I believe both places will also apply your rental fee toward a purchase if you decide to keep rather than return at the end of the rental period.


Speaking of "sermons," I read all the comments. Did you? ...and please excuse me, but I first referred the OP to lensrentals and further, I also said "if the 2x from B&H doesn't meet your needs, you can return it." That's a B&H policy, not mine. I said not one thing about "with no intentions of keeping it." Now, I don't have any evidence of the expectations of the OP if he buys a 2x but I got the distinct impression that the OP is prepared to buy a 2x if it suits his needs so there's nothing at all questionable or unethical about that - it is a valid assumption every time a sales of any merchandise is made for a variety of reasons, whatever reason the buyer deems appropriate. Otherwise, if you just want to get all up in my stuff, please point out to me where I misled the OP on anything I said or have a nice day but please feel free keep your judgmental b.s. to yourself, or perhaps I misunderstood your intent?

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Feb 23, 2018 18:02:53   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
odonnellake wrote:
Can you recommend pixel enhancement software? At this point I’m using Lightroom for my post processing but I’ve run not a couple of cropped pictures I’d love to be able to print.


I use Elements or the in camera Sony Clear Image Zoom. Somewhere in Lightroom, you should be able to find Adobe's default "Bicubic smoother" for enlargement. IMO, it is best to make small increments of 10% or less till you get to where you want to be - but hopefully no larger than what your camera normally delivers in an uncropped shot.

I believe "On One" which used to be Genuine Fractals, is a very good stand alone pixel enlargement software. Google is your friend.

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Feb 23, 2018 18:11:24   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
gessman wrote:
Since you're new here and may not know the people or the character of the forum, I'd like to characterize what you've seen here in case some of it has confused you. There is little comparative merit to a lot of what has been said. You have people offering you their subjective opinions based solely on their experience and there is no way to hang a value on what they say because each individual has his/her own expectations of what is "acceptable" to them and it may vary widely from one person to the next and even more so from what you expect. In all due respect, you really haven't been given a definitive answer here because many of those who have told you they demand perfection never post any images so we can see exactly what that means and without examples of what is top quality to them, we are left to draw our own conclusion of what they are saying and that often leads to some pretty fuzzy impressions. To check the images posted by the various members, click on their name in the left column and it will take you to their profile where you need to click on their "number of topics created." Clicking on that will open a list of threads they've started and look for ones in the "Photo Gallery" where they have posted their images and see what those look like to determine what their relative qualifications are for passing out advice. Many on here read stuff and regurgitate it as though they have practical knowledge when in reality they only know what they've read. We all do it some and it can have some merit but looking at people's images will give you an idea who is a "talker" and who is a "walker."

Saying you are a hobbyist signals to me that on a good day you might accept a little less actual photographic perfection in a truly exceptional subject than a pro who lives by selling images might expect, and you might like to keep some semblance of balance between the economics and production ratio without breaking the bank. Once the "big boys" cross over the line to making money and spending tons of money for their tools which they "write off," their expectations often become pretty unrealistic when compared to what those of us do who aren't in their class and they often lose sight of what is a good day out for a hobbyist. We each have our own expectations and yours may differ drastically from mine but I have the 70-200 f/2.8L II IS and use a 1.4x on it with great satisfaction for me. I would also use a 2x on it if I had one but it happens that I also have the 400mm 5.6L lens which I would use instead. The 400mm f/5.6L isn't even as heavy as the 70-200 f/2.8 II and I often put the 1.4x on it also with great satisfaction for me. I like my 400 so much that I have even bought and adapted a Sony a6500 to it because of the in-body-image-stabilization (IBIS) with the crop factor taking the 400 to 600, adding a 1.4x gives me 840mm, and using Sony's Clear Image Zoom that Imagemeister mentioned, I double that to 1680 with loss of only one stop of light and all the while, retaining autofocus. I have shot some images I'm really pretty happy with but haven't put them to the test of what the market might bear because I shoot only for my satisfaction.

I would suggest to you that if you really have a question about whether or not YOU would be happy putting a 2x on your 70-200, rent one from lensrentals.com and see how you like it, or better yet, buy one from B&H and if it doesn't meet your expectations you can return it within 30 days and that way you don't lose the rental fee and don't worry about "costing" B&H. It'll be sold later as a refurb and nobody loses. I haven't done that but several folks on uhh have and do.

Below is a shot of a Heron I got with a Sony a6000, the EF400mm f/5.6L and EF1.4x. I don't know how much quality I lost or how much I would have lost had I used a 2x but as a hobbyist I think I'd be happy with the shot with even a little less image quality (IQ). You can decide if it's good enough for you or not.
Since you're new here and may not know the people ... (show quote)


So eloquently stated ! - And, very GOOD advice ......

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Feb 23, 2018 18:14:26   #
Poppa
 
I have a 150 to 600 Tamron lens and use a Promaster Spectrum 7 2X and pleased with the results considering I wouldn't get any picture without.

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Feb 23, 2018 18:15:18   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
It does seem my eyes glazed over from your presumptious BS before I got to the rental suggestion followed shortly by the suggestion to rip off B&H ...

I'd like to characterize what you've seen here in case some of it has confused you ...

Saying you are a hobbyist signals to me that on a good day you might accept a little less actual photographic perfection ...

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Feb 23, 2018 18:23:13   #
gessman Loc: Colorado
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
It does seem my eyes glazed over from your presumptious BS before I got to the rental suggestion followed shortly by the suggestion to rip off B&H ...

I'd like to characterize what you've seen here in case some of it has confused you ...

Saying you are a hobbyist signals to me that on a good day you might accept a little less actual photographic perfection ...


LOL. Well, sir, please don't attempt to hold me responsible for any attention deficit disorder you may have.

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Feb 23, 2018 18:27:55   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Have a look at the top of the this Canon extender. See the rubbery part and the glass raised above the level of the mount. A compatible Canon EF lens will have an opening / space at the rear of the lens where the top of the lens extender "extends" into the open space when the two pieces of equipment are connected. Contrary to the statements above, only the 70-200L in the OP's identified lenses is a lens designed to connect with a Canon extender.


After viewing your Canon 2XII Extender, I was curious as to how much it cost. B&H listed only the 2XIII version, not the Canon 2XII . The 2XIII goes for $429..Obviously the current version. However, I stumbled on a Yongnuo Brand 2XIII Extender for Canon EF mount, going new for $170. It looks similar to Canon's newest Extender. I saw one review was 5 Stars out of 5. Are you aware of this Yongnuo Extender? Yongnuo also makes a 1.4X Canon EF Extender for the same price as the 2X. There were none for Nikon DSLRs.

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