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Feb 20, 2018 11:14:13   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Teton Viewer wrote:
Don't feel bad, it's fairly pervasive these days, given the Ricoh/Pentax tiny market share. Given the quality of their products I do think they do deserve more recognition though.


Off topic, but did you see this:
https://www.43rumors.com/interesting-upcoming-pentax-k-1-mark-ii-can-handheld-high-resolution-mode/

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Feb 20, 2018 11:14:48   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Simple solution... Use a higher ISO instead. Full frame should be able to do two or three stops higher ISO than micro 4/3 without any image noise problems.

Depth of field may be a bigger concern (and it doesn't actually change when the sensor format is different... but appears to do so because you'll either need longer focal lengths w/FF or will need to move closer with the same focal length... or a bit of both.)

Cdouthitt, you've already done the focal length conversions... So all you need to do is pick a brand and start shopping. (Why should we pick your gear for you?)

Canon and Nikon will give you the largest selection of FF bodies and lenses to use on them.

I'd recommend a lower cost camera with a better selection of lenses... For example:

Canon 6D Mark II (26MP, $1900) or Nikon D750 (24MP, $1800)
for comparison: Canon 5D Mark IV (30MP, $3300), Nikon D810 (36MP, $2800).

Canon 100-400mm II f/4.5-5.6 ($2000) with Canon 1.4X III ($429) or Kenko 1.4X Pro-300 ($140).
or Nikon 200-500mm f/5.6 ($1400) or Nikkor 80-400mm f/4.5-5.6 ($2300) with Nikon 1.4X III ($500, check compatibility) or Kenko 1.4X Pro-300 ($140).

Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 IS USM II ($1950) or Canon 70-200mm f/4 IS USM ($1400 w/tripod mounting ring).
or Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 FL VR ($2800) or Nikkor 70-200mm f/4 ($1565 w/tripod mounting ring).

Canon 24-70mm f/2.8 II ($1750) or Canon 24-70mm f/4 IS ($900)
or Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8 ($1800, non-VR) or Nikkor 24-70mm f/2.8 VR ($2400)

Canon 16-35mm f/2.8 III ($2000) or Canon 16-35mm f/4 IS ($1000) or Canon 11-24mm f/4 ($2700)
or Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8 ($1950) or Nikkor 16-35mm f/4 VR ($1100) or Nikkor 14-24mm f/2.8 ($1900)

I'll leave it to you to choose among those what will "fit" your budget. Regardless, you'll be carrying around a lot bigger and heavier kit of gear.

There are various third party options, too. I'll leave it to you to explore those and how they compare with OEM lenses on the cameras (which may assure the best performance).

With the exception of the Nikkor 70-200/2.8 FL, the Nikkor telephotos mentioned do not use fluorite. All the Canon telephotos mentioned do use fluorite, which helps with sharpness and reducing chromatic aberrations. Nikon has recently converted many of their telephoto primes to use fluorite (designated by "FL"), but so far only their 70-200 and new 180-400mm f/4 1.4X zooms use it. Canon's used it in most of their telephoto primes and zooms for several decades.

With the wide angle zooms, in particular... f/2.8 or faster is rarely needed by most users. You probably already know, that type lens is more commonly stopped down for maximum depth of field. You can save $, size and weight opting for an f/4 instead. OTOH, if you do much night photography or are a photojournalist, you may want the f/2.8.

Note that the Canon 11-24mm and Nikkor 14-24mm ultrawides both have a protruding (convex) front elements that preclude using a standard filter on them. There are special filter holders available for them, but they add bulk and cost.

Finally, for telephoto work, you might want to consider complementing the FF camera with an APS-C model. Available from both Canon and Nikon, there are various 20, 21 and 24MP APS-C that give you the "effect" of a 1.5X or 1.6X teleconverter, without need for a teleconverter. The cost of some APS-C models isn't very much more than the cost of OEM 1.4X teleconverters.
Simple solution... Use a higher ISO instead. Full ... (show quote)


Thx...very comprehensive.

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Feb 20, 2018 11:16:13   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
I think I'm all set for now...thanks everyone....

Now if this thread turns into a battle of blank vs blank, that's fine. I got what I needed.

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Feb 20, 2018 12:31:36   #
Wanderer2 Loc: Colorado Rocky Mountains
 


Yes, there's a lot of discussion about a new K-1 on pentaxforums.com. I don't think anyone really knows what's going to happen, if anything however.

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Feb 20, 2018 13:21:26   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
...I’d still like to see if there is a Sony option.


I'm sure you could put together a Sony or Pentax FF kit, too... but there is more limited selection of lenses. With Sony, what there are tend to be more expensive than Nikon or Canon. I haven't as closely compared prices and availability of Pentax lenses, though I know they don't have the selection of FF capable lenses that Nikon & Canon offer... There aren't as many third party lenses for Sony or Pentax, either. But Sony does have some interesting possibilties to use it with other-mount lenses via adapters... don't know what that does to focus speed, image quality, etc. though.

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Feb 20, 2018 13:24:23   #
jgangjr
 
Considering that you already have a mirrorless camera, you might want to consider the Sony A7RIII with Sony FE 16-35mm F2.8 GM, Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM Lens, Sony FE 70-200mm f/2.8 GM OSS lens, Sony FE 2.0x extender.

You will give up 600 mm, but the higher megapixel count will make up for it. Also, you will have to buy used to get close to your budget. You could optionally get a metabones adapter and buy some canon lenses for less money.

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Feb 20, 2018 17:27:20   #
carl hervol Loc: jacksonville florida
 
referbs are in most cases are better than new because the camera twek out to max specks new are just in tolerance.

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