rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

I'm guessing they aren't aiming any MILC products at you - if you're happy with DSLR, then they're happy selling product after product to you. I'm guessing that MILC products are an insurance program for them - something that they could quickly ramp up if the need were there.

Largobob

Ya..another not-data-supported comment from you. Send us something we can appreciate for a change. Send us a mirrorless image we can evaluate.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Here's a few from a few different cameras. I'd be happy with these images if I was shooting these systems. Collected from a simple stroll through Explore on Flickr. There may have been better, but not everyone stores their EXIF to identify the camera nor makes their images linkable . I put the camera type in the title.

Olympus E-M5MarkII - Winter skiing by Stephan H., on Flickr
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4607/26316757598_7cdbd4392f_h.jpg


Olympus E-M5MarkII - Like a big eye that's watching you by Karsten Gieselmann - off for a while, on Flickr
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4629/39006068885_a5c4563760_h.jpg


Olympus E-M5MarkII - Little gree bee eater, Merops orientalis by ammadoux, on Flickr
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4602/40137018201_7b9dc4fd86_h.jpg


Sony ILCE-7S - Venice, Italy by Pedro Szekely, on Flickr
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4618/39122142674_74a6febbf1_h.jpg

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Look good to me.

bowserb

Why should anyone other than a seller of mirrorless cameras care if you consider mirrorless. I know I surely don't. No one here does. They're just discussing the merits of that approach to interchangeable lens cameras--a discussion to which you have added nothing.

moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment

Except snark, unsupported by any of his own images...

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

It's counterintuitive, but it is the right thing to do! Mirrorless is a totally different world of possibilities.

If you think like a dSLR designer when designing a mirrorless camera, you lose.

Mirrorless is as much of a paradigm shift as the iPhone is, compared to the BlackBerry or Nokia phones available in 2007.

I know you all want to use your big old EF L glass, but why? If they make new lenses for a pro mirrorless, they will be better, lighter, and more in balance with the body... I'm sure you'll be able to adapt lenses (as in the case of the EOS M5, M6...), but there may be some annoyances with adapters.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

I think your logic is sound at a meta level, but I think it is going to be a long transition, which Canon, Nikon, others have to navigate successfully if they are going to prosper. One might consider it 'Crossing the Chasm' (Geoffrey Moore) as startup companies have to manage, or 'Who Says Elephants Can't Dance?' (Lou Gerstner) about transforming a behemoth. Lessons to be learned, and fortunes to be lost. I have seen (and been part of) many startups falling into the chasm, and many behemoths fall by the wayside, and be absorbed into other enterprises, sometimes to continue their slide into the abyss.

Interestingly enough most of the companies we are discussing here are in the behemoth category - Canon, Nikon, Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Fuji, Pentax, and so on. I do believe that mirrorless, EVFs, electronic shutters et al will be the next end game, but to be successful at a system level takes decades, and it also typically takes a decade or more for big companies to die, just like the UHH community. The truth is that very few startups or behemoths actually survive the transition.

So far Canon is doing extremely well, both in corporate success and in the camera markets, both new and old. Sony hasn't been without its problems, but is now widely acknowledged as the leader in sensors for both smartphones and ILC cameras, however as a company it is still in turnaround mode. I won't comment on the others since I don't have time to do a robust analysis, although it would be an interesting project if someone would pay me enough to do it, but nobody on UHH could or would be able / willing to afford that.

Bottom line, I think we mostly agree where the market is going, but it is going to be slow journey at a system and company level. Especially as we old farts die off, and the new generation of talented smart phone users look beyond the photographic capabilities of a basic $1,000 smartphone.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

There are hundreds here with Fujifilm, Olympus, Panasonic, Sony, and yes, Canon and Nikon mirrorless cameras.

I used Canon and Nikon SLRs and dSLRs for over four decades. I gave up on them when I saw what mirrorless models can do.

therwol Loc: USA

Who doesn't use a two-handed hold? Having a grip on the body doesn't mean you can't still do it.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

If someone uses a true two-handed grip, then size of body, "balance", should not affect use of long lenses - readjustment of weight distribution should be all that is needed .... I have even hand-held the lens-with-body pictured below

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

The issue becomes very clear if you are a dSLR video user... You can’t use the optical viewfinder for video.

Remember, part of the “two hands” method involves your face (cheek, forehead) as the third leg of the human tripod.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Hey Bob! I read your intro and looked at some of your snaps that you had posted. I’m going to assume that those must be your better photos? If I maybe honest, and I went by what you produce, it would most definitely keep me from switching to a dslr.

So I’m going to ask you:

1 - are you sincerely claiming that you had never seen a photo that you liked that were taken with a mirrorless camera?

2 - do you actually believe that the gear has everything to do with whether a picture is good or bad?

3 - do you really believe that the photographer doesn’t take the picture?

4 - So let’s hear your opinion about these photos?

http://www.markmetternich.com

Of course if he was holding a Nikon or a canon or a Pentax setup, the pictures would be identical, because it is the photographer who takes the picture.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

That is a fair perspective, but does it really cover what is going on the market, is it really so 'black and white'? Pun intended.

I known that this is a very limited niche situation, but for certain Canon camera models the Magic Lantern software adds many of the capabilities of mirrorless cameras to certain Canon DSLRs. I like the additional functionality, and I am not looking for smaller and lighter at this stage in my life. So for myself, functionality is the deciding factor, combined with fitting into the rest of my system level investment.

My T3i with Magic Lantern has very useful mirrorless like functions, I'm sad that it isn't available for my 80D (yet). If a decent EVF was made available that might address some of the other functional issues. For my personal needs, I don't yet see what of import that I am missing.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

And a loupe can address some of that requirement.