Strong shift from Dslr to mirrorless cameras in 2017: Those camera manufacturers that are members of CIPA have delivered their sales reports for last year. The total camera market is...

JPL

Those camera manufacturers that are members of CIPA have delivered their sales reports for last year.
The total camera market is growing moderately at 3-4% last year. Dslr sales dropped around 10-11% while mirrorless grew about 30%.

So we know where the market is heading. If Nikon and Canon bring good mirrorless cameras to the market the speed of this switch will probably double.

rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin

Canon has made a good start. Nikon is lagging behind. But it’s not so much about mirrorless cameras per se, but about smaller, lighter cameras - designwise that could be any format manufacturers can conceive.

kpmac Loc: Ragley, La

I agree. Smaller and lighter seems to be the trend. DSLR can compete with new lighter cameras and lenses.

Bill_de Loc: US

JPL wrote:

Those camera manufacturers that are members of CIPA have delivered their sales reports for last year.
The total camera market is growing moderately at 3-4% last year. Dslr sales dropped around 10-11% while mirrorless grew about 30%.

So we know where the market is heading. If Nikon and Canon bring good mirrorless cameras to the market the speed of this switch will probably double.

Did they say what percent of the market each has?

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Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

JPL wrote:

Those camera manufacturers that are members of CIPA have delivered their sales reports for last year.
The total camera market is growing moderately at 3-4% last year. Dslr sales dropped around 10-11% while mirrorless grew about 30%.

So we know where the market is heading. If Nikon and Canon bring good mirrorless cameras to the market the speed of this switch will probably double.

Do you have the actual numbers?

JPL

Rich1939 wrote:

Do you have the actual numbers?

Here are the numbers.

Cameras
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201712_e.pdf

Lenses here
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/s-201712_e.pdf

They have numbers for different markets, but not by manufacturers.

PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago

JPL wrote:

Those camera manufacturers that are members of CIPA have delivered their sales reports for last year.
The total camera market is growing moderately at 3-4% last year. Dslr sales dropped around 10-11% while mirrorless grew about 30%.

So we know where the market is heading. If Nikon and Canon bring good mirrorless cameras to the market the speed of this switch will probably double.

If things go in a cycle we should see a reversal.

Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.

JPL wrote:

Here are the numbers.

Cameras
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201712_e.pdf

Lenses here
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/s-201712_e.pdf

They have numbers for different markets, but not by manufacturers.

Thank you, thank you very much

LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field

rjaywallace wrote:

Canon has made a good start. Nikon is lagging behind. But it’s not so much about mirrorless cameras per se, but about smaller, lighter cameras - designwise that could be any format manufacturers can conceive.

I’m inclined to,disagree. It’s also about the mirrorless design.

Joe Blow

Over the past dozen years DSLR sales climbed on the promise of being able to take better photos than a P&S. Only, too many of those who bought a DSLR didn't want to learn how to use the controls or carry around two to four lbs around their neck. Mirrorless are promising a camera close in weight to a P&S but that they can look cool using.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

JPL wrote:

Here are the numbers.

Cameras
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/d-201712_e.pdf

Lenses here
http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/s-201712_e.pdf

They have numbers for different markets, but not by manufacturers.

CIPA is very useful data, but the geography specific data for Japan, the rest of Asia, Europe, and the Americas show different market behaviors. Also, some companies seem to be bucking some of the trends. It's a little more complicated than simple conclusions reveal. Even the lens data which is a substantial part of the market for some vendors, doesn't reveal the full picture. Looking at company reports in combination will add another dimension to the comparison for those that have time to do that work. Either way, the market is in transition, but it's also important to look at the consumer demographics. Smart phone users looking to "upgrade" would likely go mirrorless. Much of the UHH demographic is going to mirrorless for other reasons, but it is an aging population composed of retirees, 'crinklies and crumblies' that are experiencing difficulty with heavier equipment. If looked at the system level combined with a representative consumer demographic it is still hard to predict, and especially so at a vendor level.

http://www.canonrumors.com/the-final-camera-shipment-numbers-for-2017-are-in/

http://www.canonnews.com/the-2017-cipa-results-are-in

http://www.canonnews.com/canon-fiscal-year-end-for-2017-strong-corporate-gains

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

kpmac wrote:

DSLR can compete with new lighter cameras and lenses.

Depends...there’s been maybe one or two DSLRs that has peaked my interest over the last couple of years...otherwise all the truly innovate stuff have come from the mirrorless market.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

Cdouthitt wrote:

Depends...there’s been maybe one or two DSLRs that has peaked my interest over the last couple of years...otherwise all the truly innovate stuff have come from the mirrorless market.

Or possibly from smartphones. The market is in a huge transition, and there seems to innovation across the board, but not uniformly. It will be interesting to see where innovation occurs and who it comes from. I personally expect to see a bunch of 'hybrid' form factors appearing, but what they will be, or what the market acceptance will be is a tough call.

JPL

Peterff wrote:

CIPA is very useful data, but the geography specif... (show quote)

Yes, Cipa stats are interesting. But what is missing is also interesting. Many new companies in the camera market are not Cipa members and even some old ones. Leica and Samyang probably the best known companies not part of Cipa.

http://cipa.jp/stats/documents/e/list_e.pdf

Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI

Peterff wrote:

Or possibly from smartphones. The market is in a huge transition, and there seems to innovation across the board, but not uniformly. It will be interesting to see where innovation occurs and who it comes from. I personally expect to see a bunch of 'hybrid' form factors appearing, but what they will be, or what the market acceptance will be is a tough call.

Smart phones are ok, but will not replace my camera (my opinion). They’re fine for the times that I didn’t or don’t want to bring my camera. I always have one with me (iPhone) since work provides one for me.