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Jan 31, 2018 12:58:59   #
tomcat
 
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of weeks and have given up. I am left-handed and use my left eye for the viewfinder. Apparently there is some subtle movement that I make when I press my thumb on the AF-on button to keep it out of my right eye and it causes enough slight camera movement, making my images less sharp. I verified this again this am with about 10 shots with BBF and 10 without BBF, using shutter release. Several of the BBF shots were oof, whereas all of the shutter release shots were in focus. I am using AF-C and group focus, so I can't blame it on a missed focus. I have not tried AF-C versus AF-S with BBF because I saw in an earlier posting that it only works in AF-C mode, plus I use this D500 for sports shots, so I'm not interested in AF-S anyway. So I gave it the old college try, but I'm going back to shutter release for the focus. I think that for right-eyed shooters, this BBF is a great option, but for sports shooting, I cannot afford oof images. I tried using my right eye, and it was a pure stupid-silly exercise for me to try to do---it was like throwing a baseball with your opposite hand.

Anyone know if Nikon has a "left-handed" camera body in the works?

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Jan 31, 2018 13:05:40   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
tomcat wrote:
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of weeks and have given up. I am left-handed and use my left eye for the viewfinder. Apparently there is some subtle movement that I make when I press my thumb on the AF-on button to keep it out of my right eye and it causes enough slight camera movement, making my images less sharp. I verified this again this am with about 10 shots with BBF and 10 without BBF, using shutter release. Several of the BBF shots were oof, whereas all of the shutter release shots were in focus. I am using AF-C and group focus, so I can't blame it on a missed focus. I have not tried AF-C versus AF-S with BBF because I saw in an earlier posting that it only works in AF-C mode, plus I use this D500 for sports shots, so I'm not interested in AF-S anyway. So I gave it the old college try, but I'm going back to shutter release for the focus. I think that for right-eyed shooters, this BBF is a great option, but for sports shooting, I cannot afford oof images. I tried using my right eye, and it was a pure stupid-silly exercise for me to try to do---it was like throwing a baseball with your opposite hand.

Anyone know if Nikon has a "left-handed" camera body in the works?
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of ... (show quote)

Seriously doubtful from any maker.
I too am left handed and have adapted.
I can't use left-handed scissors in my left hand.
I bowl left-handed but play horseshoes with my right.
Golf right but can bat either way and use a glove on my left, throwing with my right.
(No wonder my mom called me "Goofy")
Exakta used to make cameras with advance lever and shutter on the left side, leaving your right hand to do the delicate job of focusing.



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Jan 31, 2018 13:11:33   #
tomcat
 
Oh man, we could fill up 2 pages with being LH in a RH world

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Jan 31, 2018 13:45:36   #
rook2c4 Loc: Philadelphia, PA USA
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Seriously doubtful from any maker.
I too am left handed and have adapted.
I can't use left-handed scissors in my left hand.
I bowl left-handed but play horseshoes with my right.
Golf right but can bat either way and use a glove on my left, throwing with my right.


Left-handed people tend to be more versatile with their right hand than right-handed people are with their left hand. This comes from the constant need to adapt to things designed for right-handed usage.

I'm left-handed, but I think I'd have some difficulty operating a left-handed camera. It would feel unfamiliar and awkward to me.

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Jan 31, 2018 13:53:25   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Left-handed people tend to be more versatile with their right hand than right-handed people are with their left hand. This comes from the constant need to adapt to things designed for right-handed usage.

I'm left-handed, but I think I'd have some difficulty operating a left-handed camera. It would feel unfamiliar and awkward to me.

Me too.
I'm learning to play the Scottish tenor drum.
My left hand is not learning as fast as my right.

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Jan 31, 2018 14:02:40   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
The cool thing about BBAF is that you can get all the benefits without using the actual back button. I go over this in my Nikon AF book, but the short version is just to assign AF to something else.

In this case, I'd say try putting AF on your Pv button (you can do so via customs setting F1). Make sure you leave AF off the shutter release - basically the same setup. Then, just press the Pv button with your middle finger when you want to focus, use your index finger for releasing the shutter.

Also, you can assign the AF-On button for something other than AF in this scenario so you're not accidentally hitting the button when you don't want to.

This tends to be a good solution for left-eye shooters, but it's also a nice solution if you want to use your thumb for moving the AF point and focus at the same time. I may even switch to this method eventually, but it's tough since I'm kind of known for BBAF!

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Jan 31, 2018 14:26:19   #
jdubu Loc: San Jose, CA
 
I am not familiar with the D500, but am also left-handed and left eyed using Canon cameras with BBF. I don't experience the results you are having, using the 3rd button in from the right side that is closest to my right eye. Either single press to lock focus or constant push for continuous. I do subtly have my head rotated slightly to allow my thumb clearance to all the buttons and controls since I try to make adjustments while looking through the viewfinder. Re-assigning the button is also a possibility.

I think the benefits of living in a right-handed world makes us more adaptable to our environment. I play a lot of volleyball and can spike with my right almost as well as my left (adapted because most setters set for a right hand hitter without thinking) I throw left handed but bat right and play table tennis left or right. I only draw, paint and do calligraphy left handed though.

Adapting to right handed tools does make using left handed tools awkward to impossible. I can use right handed scissors but left handed scissors are useless.

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Jan 31, 2018 16:34:51   #
tomcat
 
Steve Perry wrote:
The cool thing about BBAF is that you can get all the benefits without using the actual back button. I go over this in my Nikon AF book, but the short version is just to assign AF to something else.

In this case, I'd say try putting AF on your Pv button (you can do so via customs setting F1). Make sure you leave AF off the shutter release - basically the same setup. Then, just press the Pv button with your middle finger when you want to focus, use your index finger for releasing the shutter.

Also, you can assign the AF-On button for something other than AF in this scenario so you're not accidentally hitting the button when you don't want to.

This tends to be a good solution for left-eye shooters, but it's also a nice solution if you want to use your thumb for moving the AF point and focus at the same time. I may even switch to this method eventually, but it's tough since I'm kind of known for BBAF!
The cool thing about BBAF is that you can get all ... (show quote)


That's correct. I had forgotten about this option. I'm glad you mentioned this, I tried out the Fn1 button and that seems to work much better. Out of 5 shots, I didn't miss a single focus. Thanks, Steve!!

Happy Trails to me, until we meet again.......RR

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Jan 31, 2018 17:07:16   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
tomcat wrote:
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of weeks and have given up. I am left-handed and use my left eye for the viewfinder. Apparently there is some subtle movement that I make when I press my thumb on the AF-on button to keep it out of my right eye and it causes enough slight camera movement, making my images less sharp. I verified this again this am with about 10 shots with BBF and 10 without BBF, using shutter release. Several of the BBF shots were oof, whereas all of the shutter release shots were in focus. I am using AF-C and group focus, so I can't blame it on a missed focus. I have not tried AF-C versus AF-S with BBF because I saw in an earlier posting that it only works in AF-C mode, plus I use this D500 for sports shots, so I'm not interested in AF-S anyway. So I gave it the old college try, but I'm going back to shutter release for the focus. I think that for right-eyed shooters, this BBF is a great option, but for sports shooting, I cannot afford oof images. I tried using my right eye, and it was a pure stupid-silly exercise for me to try to do---it was like throwing a baseball with your opposite hand.

Anyone know if Nikon has a "left-handed" camera body in the works?
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of ... (show quote)

Just program a different button for BBF!

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Jan 31, 2018 17:53:15   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
rook2c4 wrote:
Left-handed people tend to be more versatile with their right hand than right-handed people are with their left hand. This comes from the constant need to adapt to things designed for right-handed usage.

I'm left-handed, but I think I'd have some difficulty operating a left-handed camera. It would feel unfamiliar and awkward to me.


Absolutely. I remember left handed scissors in grade school (a long time ago when Dinosaurs walked the Earth). Could not manage the coordination to use them. l

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Jan 31, 2018 21:13:36   #
tomcat
 
I did, thanks


speters wrote:
Just program a different button for BBF!

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Jan 31, 2018 21:56:08   #
jcboy3
 
tomcat wrote:
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of weeks and have given up. I am left-handed and use my left eye for the viewfinder. Apparently there is some subtle movement that I make when I press my thumb on the AF-on button to keep it out of my right eye and it causes enough slight camera movement, making my images less sharp. I verified this again this am with about 10 shots with BBF and 10 without BBF, using shutter release. Several of the BBF shots were oof, whereas all of the shutter release shots were in focus. I am using AF-C and group focus, so I can't blame it on a missed focus. I have not tried AF-C versus AF-S with BBF because I saw in an earlier posting that it only works in AF-C mode, plus I use this D500 for sports shots, so I'm not interested in AF-S anyway. So I gave it the old college try, but I'm going back to shutter release for the focus. I think that for right-eyed shooters, this BBF is a great option, but for sports shooting, I cannot afford oof images. I tried using my right eye, and it was a pure stupid-silly exercise for me to try to do---it was like throwing a baseball with your opposite hand.

Anyone know if Nikon has a "left-handed" camera body in the works?
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of ... (show quote)


No, but Canon announced a Canon EOS 7D L Left-Handed DSLR Camera in 2013.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Cameras/Canon-EOS-7D-L-Left-Handed-DSLR-Camera.aspx

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Jan 31, 2018 22:46:34   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
tomcat wrote:
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of weeks and have given up. I am left-handed and use my left eye for the viewfinder. Apparently there is some subtle movement that I make when I press my thumb on the AF-on button to keep it out of my right eye and it causes enough slight camera movement, making my images less sharp. I verified this again this am with about 10 shots with BBF and 10 without BBF, using shutter release. Several of the BBF shots were oof, whereas all of the shutter release shots were in focus. I am using AF-C and group focus, so I can't blame it on a missed focus. I have not tried AF-C versus AF-S with BBF because I saw in an earlier posting that it only works in AF-C mode, plus I use this D500 for sports shots, so I'm not interested in AF-S anyway. So I gave it the old college try, but I'm going back to shutter release for the focus. I think that for right-eyed shooters, this BBF is a great option, but for sports shooting, I cannot afford oof images. I tried using my right eye, and it was a pure stupid-silly exercise for me to try to do---it was like throwing a baseball with your opposite hand.

Anyone know if Nikon has a "left-handed" camera body in the works?
OK. I have tried BBF on my D500 for a couple of ... (show quote)

I'm left-handed, but I wouldn't want a special camera. I've learned to operate normal cameras, and I'm not interested in retraining at this point.

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Jan 31, 2018 22:50:54   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
jcboy3 wrote:
No, but Canon announced a Canon EOS 7D L Left-Handed DSLR Camera in 2013.

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Cameras/Canon-EOS-7D-L-Left-Handed-DSLR-Camera.aspx


The date of the article is significant....April 1st.

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Feb 1, 2018 01:02:24   #
tomcat
 
GoofyNewfie wrote:
The date of the article is significant....April 1st.


This is sooooo funny

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