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Jan 27, 2018 12:47:14   #
dean100 Loc: New-Biden did steal 500,000+ votes in OH
 
Bill,

If interested and you decide to go with the AF-S Nikkor 80-400 I have one in mint condition that I just decided to sell. I have both the Nikon lens collar and the Really Right Stuff LC-413 collar and foot package (mounted) as well as a Hoya HD UV filter (mounted since day one).

Dean

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Jan 27, 2018 12:53:51   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
I have a fb friend who travels the world with his Sigma 50-500 and gets excellent photos. He's been to Namibia once and Kenya twice in the last three years with amazing results. You might consider that lens. He is finally going to upgrade to the 150-600, but I don't know if the better of the two is available for Nikon.

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Jan 27, 2018 14:08:11   #
JFleming Loc: Belchertown, Ma
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
We are headed for Botswana and S. Africa in Oct.-Nov. for 3 weeks. I have a D 850 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 with a Nikon 2X telconverter. I am considering renting a nikon 80-400 4.5-5.6. The weight is about the same and filter size are both 77mm. The reviews seem to agree that in the 300-400mm range the 80-400 is soft. The 2x converter brings the f2.8 to 5.6 which is where I would be with the 70-400. Which would you prefer?


I'd look at the new Sigma 100-400, the sharpness blew my Nikon AF-S 80-400 away! Over the last few years I've had both versions (old & new) of the Nikon 80-400 and I struggled to like either one; they just weren't sharp on the long end. Sure you'd get a decent image here and there but not at 400mm and for the $$$ costs of these two it's not worth it, at least not to me. Needless to say I dumped both versions and haven't looked back.

My wife bought the Sigma 100-400 at a Photo Conference and when I saw how sharp it was even at 400 I bought one for myself. All this may not mean much but believe me when I say, I was never a big fan of third party lenses for their form, fit and function - I was Nikon all they way.

John

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Jan 27, 2018 15:03:10   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
200-500mm and 150-600mm lenses are pretty big and not what you'd call "lightweights".

A better option might be to use a DX camera with a 400mm lens, instead. That gives you the same effective "reach" as 600mm on FX, but with a smaller/lighter lens. But, of course, it means getting and using a different camera.

Personally I'd take the D850 with shorter lenses for landscape shots, portraits and such... Plus take and use a DX model such as the D7200 or D7100 with an 80-400mm or perhaps the new Tamron 100-400mm (with the optional tripod mounting ring) for the wildlife photos.

Instead you could switch the D850 to DX mode, but that will reduce it to around 19MP.... Quite a bit less than the 24MP resolution offered by the D7200 or D7100 (but not much different than the 21MP D7500).

Also take a monopod for support. In spite of these lenses having stabilization and not being as big as the 200-500mm and 150-600mm, if you find yourself hand holding for an while waiting for a shot, they can get pretty uncomfortable to hand hold. Another option is a bean bag... those can be taken empty to pack easily, then filled on location (buy dry beans at a local store). When it's time to come home, empty the beans and give them to someone, and re-collapse the bean bag to stow it in your luggage.

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Jan 27, 2018 15:53:04   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
We are headed for Botswana and S. Africa in Oct.-Nov. for 3 weeks. I have a D 850 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 with a Nikon 2X telconverter. I am considering renting a nikon 80-400 4.5-5.6. The weight is about the same and filter size are both 77mm. The reviews seem to agree that in the 300-400mm range the 80-400 is soft. The 2x converter brings the f2.8 to 5.6 which is where I would be with the 70-400. Which would you prefer?


Consider traveling light and GETTING the shot with the Sigma 100-400 - then, if need be, CROP and use pixel enlargement software for larger printing. The 850 will crop well.....

Otherwise, the 200-500 makes a lot of sense - just bigger, heavier and more $$$.

Oh, and as a backup, take the Sony RX10 III or IV.

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Jan 27, 2018 15:59:20   #
jimneotech Loc: Michigan
 
Rick from NY wrote:
Nikon 200-500 is excellent and almost 1/2 the price of the 80-400. I own both and, other than weatherproofing of the 80-400 (which in dusty Africa is actually quite important) I prefer the 200-500. Crazy sharp lens for stupid low price. Of course if you happen to hit the lottery, this is probably THE safari lens.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=nikon%20180-400&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=



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Jan 27, 2018 17:06:10   #
kangavkar
 
I am not telling you which camera and lens/es to use. I can tell you what I did. I spent about 10 days in Kruger park in South Africa. Almost all pictures were taken from inside our car. The only camera I used was Panasonic Lumix FZ 18 which has a Leica Lens and you do not have to change lenses or different cameras. I did not have to use 18 magnification any time. One thing I suggest is carry an attachment with which you can fix your camera to the partly lowered glass in the car window.

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Jan 27, 2018 18:24:15   #
Newsbob Loc: SF Bay Area
 
Not all safari vehicles have windows. Ours was a triple level Land Rover. I sat behind the driver and got excellent shots with a Tamron 150-600 on a monopod for support. But I also had another camera with a 24-70 lens which came in very handily when a rhino came right up to the vehicle. He was just curious. Our guide said they have bad eyesight. But the other vehicle in our group was threatened by a very angry elephant and the cell phone videos were amazing.

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Jan 27, 2018 20:03:58   #
For tBragg Guy Loc: Fort Bragg Ca
 
One my trips to Africa I took two cameras. On one I used the 70-200 and the other had the 200/400 with the built in 1.5 extender from Canon. I also took extenders for those distant shots where I had a stable perch. Consider renting a lens. I also have a good point and shoot for those surprise too close for a big gun picture which happened with animals walking next to our vehicle. The new phones do a pretty good job with those.

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Jan 27, 2018 22:50:38   #
NormanTheGr8 Loc: Racine, Wisconsin
 
For info you can trust check out wild-eye.com ,and The Wildlife Photography Podcast. Gerry is fantastic and willing to help

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Jan 28, 2018 01:14:51   #
IDguy Loc: Idaho
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
We are headed for Botswana and S. Africa in Oct.-Nov. for 3 weeks. I have a D 850 and a Nikon 70-200 f2.8 with a Nikon 2X telconverter. I am considering renting a nikon 80-400 4.5-5.6. The weight is about the same and filter size are both 77mm. The reviews seem to agree that in the 300-400mm range the 80-400 is soft. The 2x converter brings the f2.8 to 5.6 which is where I would be with the 70-400. Which would you prefer?


I was very happy in Botswana with my 200-500 on a D800. There were a few times I had ask the driver to back up but not many,

You don’t want to be changing lenses of fussing with teleconverters in the field. You’ll miss shots and it can get dusty.

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Jan 28, 2018 05:41:51   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
rehess wrote:
But "more X" forces the designers into more compromises, so you don't necessarily get better pictures by getting an expensive and heavy -500 or -600 lens instead of adding an extender to the lens you already have. You really need to do a case-by-case comparison.


I've done that. A 2X teleconverter takes out a considerable amount of image quality, slows down AF, makes it imprecise. There is no "case by case" here. You may get somewhat acceptable results, but nothing to write home about.

BTW, a 70-200 F2.8 VRII with a 2.0X TC III weighs a hair over 4 lbs, and a Tamron 150-600 G2, which provides considerably better image quality, focus performance etc, weighs 4.4 lbs. At $1300 (with the instant $100 rebate) it also costs half of the $2600 price of Nikon solution. So what were you thinking about when you wrote expensive and heavy?

I've now used the G2, own the heavier and more expensive Sigma Sport, used the 80-400 VR, Nikon 200-500, the Sigma Contemporary and the original G1. The G2 rocks as does the Sport. These reviews seem consistent with my results. I also own the Nikkor 600mm F4 and use a D800 and a D810 and a 1.4X and 2X TC.

https://photographylife.com/reviews/tamron-sp-150-600mm-f5-6-3-g2

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-200-500mm-f5-6e-vr

There is no question in my mind that any lens without a converter provides better image quality and ease of use than a good lens of similar focal length without a TC, even a 1.4X.

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Jan 29, 2018 21:30:50   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
sb wrote:
First, you wouldn't want a fixed telephoto (you wouldn't be able to get the giraffe or herd of elephants) and you won't be able to use a tripod - you will be in a safari vehicle. You want to use something you can hand-hold. I recently returned from a photo safari, and all but one of us were shooting Canon and we were ALL using the 100-400 lens. I did not feel I needed any more reach than that, and got spectacular leopard shots (lion shots, cheetah shots, etc.). There were many times I needed the wider end of the zoom. And it is frequently too dusty to change lenses. So - I would recommend renting the best tele zoom in the 100-400 range that you can.
First, you wouldn't want a fixed telephoto (you wo... (show quote)


we've gotten lazy, circa 1945 we had no zooms. we depended on 3 to 5 lenses to cover our needs. we might not want to but we could make it with fixed primes,

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Jan 29, 2018 22:54:10   #
Bullfrog Bill Loc: CT
 
Gene51 wrote:
I've done that. A 2X teleconverter takes out a considerable amount of image quality, slows down AF, makes it imprecise. There is no "case by case" here. You may get somewhat acceptable results, but nothing to write home about.

BTW, a 70-200 F2.8 VRII with a 2.0X TC III weighs a hair over 4 lbs, and a Tamron 150-600 G2, which provides considerably better image quality, focus performance etc, weighs 4.4 lbs. At $1300 (with the instant $100 rebate) it also costs half of the $2600 price of Nikon solution. So what were you thinking about when you wrote expensive and heavy?

I've now used the G2, own the heavier and more expensive Sigma Sport, used the 80-400 VR, Nikon 200-500, the Sigma Contemporary and the original G1. The G2 rocks as does the Sport. These reviews seem consistent with my results. I also own the Nikkor 600mm F4 and use a D800 and a D810 and a 1.4X and 2X TC.

https://photographylife.com/reviews/tamron-sp-150-600mm-f5-6-3-g2

https://photographylife.com/reviews/nikon-200-500mm-f5-6e-vr

There is no question in my mind that any lens without a converter provides better image quality and ease of use than a good lens of similar focal length without a TC, even a 1.4X.
I've done that. A 2X teleconverter takes out a con... (show quote)

Thank you all for your thoughtful and helpful comments. After further research I find a newer version of the NIKON 80-400 that Thom Hogan thinks is a major optical improvement. Since weight and the ability to hand hold is an issue I think this solution works. I can leave my 70/200 behind, bring my 24-70 2.8 for night sky and 16-35 f4 for wide landscape. Since I will be in private game preserves, I hope that 400mm does it and I can always switch to DX crop or crop in post.

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Jan 29, 2018 23:04:37   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
Bullfrog Bill wrote:
Thank you all for your thoughtful and helpful comments. After further research I find a newer version of the NIKON 80-400 that Thom Hogan thinks is a major optical improvement. Since weight and the ability to hand hold is an issue I think this solution works. I can leave my 70/200 behind, bring my 24-70 2.8 for night sky and 16-35 f4 for wide landscape. Since I will be in private game preserves, I hope that 400mm does it and I can always switch to DX crop or crop in post.


You might consider picking up a Nikon 1.4TC for use on the 80-400. You may find you need the extra reach for some shots. DX mode isn't a TC its a 'crop before shooting'. During my visit to Kruger last May there was very little dust about and changing lenses during stops wasn't much of a problem with sensible precautions.

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