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Operation Paperclip: ( Part 3 ) Was it worth it? - Occupied Germany, 1945 - 1949
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Jan 14, 2018 11:20:12   #
Oyens
 
A humorous debate following WWII, and Operation Paper Clip, was if our Germans, were smarter than the Germans in the Soviet Union. Indeed the Soviets did haul off German scientists following the war, but used them in a different manner. Not too long ago, during a Q and A, following a talk by Monique Laney, author of the book, "German Rocketeers in the Heart of Dixie", she pointed out that Soviets simply picked the brains of "their" Germans and then sent them back home. Unlike the U.S., which not only picked the brains of "our" Germans, we hung on to them and put them to work.

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Jan 14, 2018 11:59:45   #
ecblackiii Loc: Maryland
 
RichardQ wrote:
During early 1947, aggressive investigators in the Justice Department and the media (especially columnist and broadcaster Drew Pearson) began intensely challenging Operation Paperclip. They demanded that the program's Nazi military scientists be returned to Occupied Germany.

The Joint Intelligence Objectives Subcommittee (JIOS), the Pentagon administrators of Paperclip, decided to take their planned expansions underground. The "official termination" of Paperclip was announced in mid-1947, with vague promises to return the scientists to Germany.

However, they would face denazification trials in German courts, embarrassing to our military Occupation.

On September 20, 1947, General Lucius Clay (commander of U.S. Forces in Occupied Germany) sent a secret telegram to the War Department including this final comment: "It would be much better to permit them to remain in the U.S. as Nazis without bringing them to trial."

By then Paperclip had assigned hundreds of Nazi scientists and their families throughout the United States. Much of their work was top-secret and distributed among a variety of military and industrial research laboratories, who asked for more, so JIOS resumed covert immigration.

Corporations and universities were encouraged to help Paperclip by employing some of the immigrants. Eventually, Paperclip had sixty U.S. companies eagerly participating because all the Paperclippers came with expedited security clearances for any classified projects. Besides, they usually were paid significantly less than their American colleagues. In the long run, however, most got substantial pensions, and some became corporate executives.

The first hundred rocket scientists, recruited in Europe by Col. Holger Toftoy, were accompanied by ninety-plus giant V-2 rockets. They spent five years in Texas and New Mexico with the laboratories of the Army Ordnance R&D Service before moving to Alabama. America owed its missile defense systems to their skills.

Eighty-six Nazi aeronautical scientists and engineers were recruited in Germany by test pilot Col. Donald Putt in 1945-46 and brought to Wright (later Wright-Patterson) Army Air Base near Dayton, Ohio. Many tons of special gear, including experimental aircraft, supersonic wind tunnels, jet and rocket engines, etc. were brought to the U.S., plus Nazi pilots experienced in the new jet age. Putt estimated they were ten years ahead of us.

Dozens of Nazi scientists specializing in poison gases were recruited by Gen. Charles Loucks to work on chemical weapons in the highly secretive Edgewood Arsenal in Maryland. They developed a new gas, sarin, which they tested on thousands of U.S. Army "volunteers," and ran controversial tests of a nerve agent called LSD. Sarin was used in Vietnam in cluster bombs.

Other military research facilities employing Nazi Paperclippers included the Signal Corps (24 scientists at Fort Monmouth, NJ, the Air Force School of Aviation Medicine at Brooks Air Force Base in Texas (dozens of Nazi physicians, including some who were involved in deadly human experiments in Dachau), and ---via the U.S. Bureau of Mines -- the Fischer-Tripsch chemical plant in Missouri (seven synthetic fuel scientists).

The rocket scientists, headed by Wernher von Braun, were the chief poster boys among the Nazi scientists, even appearing in three Walt Disney science films promotin space travel. The other scientists, especially in the Air Force, Chemical Corps and Signal Corps facilities, were usually kept behind "Top Secret" signs. The American public had no idea of the scale of Paperclip.

The Russians, however, knew the score. They had an inside man. The top American officer in Operation Paperclip was a Russian mole.

Lt. Col. William Henry Whalen, the director of JIOS and the commander of Paperclip between July, 1959 and his retirement in February, 1961, stole and sold thousands of secret documents to Russian agents.

During his 19-month tenure, and for two more years after his retirement, Col. Whalen blithely roamed at will through the "secure" offices of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in the Pentagon, physically stealing secret manuals and reports dealing with atomic, missile and bomber secrets, among others. He met his Russian contact, Col. Sergei Edemski, every month in shopping center parking lots in Arlington, delivering so many secrets that he was unable to give a full accounting during his 1966 closed-doors trial for conspiracy.

Reportedly, Lt. Col. Whalen is the highest placed U.S. military officer ever convicted of espionage against his country.

But because the FBI screwed up in how they obtained his confessions, the Justice Department had to cut him a deal, or Col. Whalen would have gone free. Instead, he got fifteen years (reduced to six by a parole) in a Federal penitentiary, his wife continued to receive his retirement benefits, and he retained the right to be buried in Arlington Cemetary.

He did it for the money, about $14,000.

Meanwhile, don't waste your time looking for a Paperclip budget. Intelligence operations are notoriously lax about such mundane stuff. JIOS was disbanded in 1962. Any Paperclip documents that were not shredded vanished into the National Archives. Nobody in the Intelligence ranks wants to talk about Paperclip.
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The only thing that I find impossible to believe is the claim that sarin gas was used in cluster bombs during the Vietnam War. I was a pilot in that war, was involved in classified research and development, and trained in chemical, biological and radiological warfare. I knew that the U.S. military (and others) possessed chenical weapons, including nerve agents, tested them against animals, and had stores of them in secure compounds. But, I never saw or heard of sarin gas being used by U.S. forces in combat at all. So, I wonder what source claimed that?

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Jan 14, 2018 13:15:49   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
Ungrammatical...... never used that word... But since I'm French, spelling everything as it sound using the French alfobit..... (that's wrong)...! I'm in trouble here. Someone gonna say something! How many time can I use the edit button..?

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Jan 14, 2018 13:24:08   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
I have seen drawing board pictures of future jet and bomber aircrafts. They actually had flying wing jet aircraft that we took back to the states and keeped top secret. Unbelievable
what they achieved. If there would of been no war, I think there would of been jet airliners by 1948 or 50 to NY from Germany. They wasted a great gift of engineering capabilities on the wrong things.

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Jan 14, 2018 14:14:24   #
edwdickinson Loc: Ardmore PA
 
Should have taken the traitor outside, put a bullet in his head and dumped the body at sea.

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Jan 14, 2018 14:53:12   #
John_F Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
RichardQ, do you keep an archive of all the articles you have written. They need to be committed to paper someday for future generations to learn from.

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Jan 14, 2018 14:54:29   #
blacks2 Loc: SF. Bay area
 
Richard, I thank you very much for sharing your knowledge of the after war history with us. You should write a book, I be the first one to buy it. You are amazing.

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Jan 14, 2018 15:20:34   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
Yes I agree, book, I'll buy it, with pictures.!

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Jan 14, 2018 17:54:14   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
IHH61 wrote:
Your statements about chemical warfare are incorrect. Sarin was not developed by the US and was never used in any US weapon. Certainly not in cluster bombs in Vietnam. LSD is not a nerve agent.


Thank you for your service, IHH61. I must apologize for my reference to Vietznam and sarin gas -- to my knowledge, no sarin was ever used in the Vietnam War. My error was in relying on my 90-year-old brain instead of doing my usual two-source resourcing. Tabun and sarin were invented in I.G. Farben laboratories in Nazi Germany and intended for use as insecticides. When the German Army learned of tabun's potency, they commissioned wholesale production for bombs, which were stored in a forest called "Robbers' Lair," which was in Britain's Occupation Zone. They provided us with about 530 tons of tabun, which immediately went to the U.S. for testing. I'm not clear on how Gen. Loucke got his samples of sarin, but Edgewood Arsenal decided to concentrate on developing and industrializing the synthesizing of sarin, building a huge facility inside the Rocky Mountain Arsenal (Building 1501), and another in Muscle Shoals, Alabama in 1950. Round-the-clock production began to fulfill the Defense Department's order by 1957. In 1969, President Nixon ordered all of it to be destroyed. Easier said than done. That task took more than 30 years, because the weapons were not designed to be dismantled, and blowing them uo would release the deadly contents. Space limits do not allow me to give more details.

I gather that you don't know about the 1960's unguided MGR-1 U.S. "Honest John" Artillery Rocket with an optional nuclear warhead or sarin nerve gas cluster munitions, The weapon was developed by Major Gen. Holger Toftoy's group and was deployed at army bases worldwide, as well as NATO and other friendly forces. There are numerous Internet pages depicting and describing the weapon, The Pentagon just a few months ago announced that the U.S. was NOT agreeing to ban use of cluster bombs, but the Honest John weapon is obviously obsolete.

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Jan 14, 2018 19:12:26   #
canarywood1 Loc: Sarasota,Florida
 
John_F wrote:
RichardQ, do you keep an archive of all the articles you have written. They need to be committed to paper someday for future generations to learn from.


It's already committed to paper, where do you think he gets this information??

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Jan 14, 2018 19:44:09   #
PH CIB
 
Wow,,,I love History,,,especially little known History such as this,,,$14000 a measly sum to betray your own Country and People,,,and buried at Arlington,,,,He should have been executed and buried in an unmarked grave forgotten forever.....

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Jan 14, 2018 19:48:14   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
canarywood1 wrote:
It's already committed to paper, where do you think he gets this information??


Actually, the information I've included in all of my German Occupation postings is condensed from numerous books, articles, records, press releases, letters, old Army newspapers, etc. -- many of which are not available, out-of-print, or obscure. They usually deal only with a single subject in the Occupation, so you need a stack of file jackets to keep track. And of course I cruise -- cautiously - through the Internet and my own memory. I am hoping to live long enough (I'll be 91 in March) to finish the "Vignettes of Occupied Germany - 1944-1949", but if I'm called before then, at least I'll be leaving these postings for any truly interested researchers.

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Jan 14, 2018 21:38:28   #
Mike D. Loc: Crowley County, CO.
 
Thank you once again for a plethora of fascinating information.

You are the kind of history teacher that we SHOULD have had.

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Jan 14, 2018 22:48:56   #
wolfd Loc: Vancouver, Canada
 
Interesting stuff.
Thanks for sharing.

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Jan 15, 2018 19:49:36   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
ecblackiii wrote:
The only thing that I find impossible to believe is the claim that sarin gas was used in cluster bombs during the Vietnam War. I was a pilot in that war, was involved in classified research and development, and trained in chemical, biological and radiological warfare. I knew that the U.S. military (and others) possessed chenical weapons, including nerve agents, tested them against animals, and had stores of them in secure compounds. But, I never saw or heard of sarin gas being used by U.S. forces in combat at all. So, I wonder what source claimed that?
The only thing that I find impossible to believe i... (show quote)


Thank you for your service, ecblackiii. As i explained to IHH61 earlier in this string, I mistakenly typed the Vietnam assertion, which is totally wrong, and I apologize for that serious error. I plead guilty to my huge mistake and ask forgiveness. Vietnam had far too many problems already without me stirring up sarin.

The chemical weapon including sarin as an option in the cluster bomb warhead was the MGR-1A (M31) "Honest John" artillery rocket, with an alternative nuclear warhead. The rocket was an unguided, solid-fueled missile, truck-mounted. Its three components were rapidly assembled in the field and ready to launch within five minutes. It was developed at Redstone Arsenall by General Holger Tofstoy's group (including Wernher von Braun) and was similar to, but smaller than, the Nazi V-2 rockets of WW !!. About 7,000 were manufactured by Douglas Aircraft and reportedly deployed in the 1960s worldwide to U,S, Army bases as well as NATO and various other friendly militaries. The sarin gas cluster warhead reportedly contained 356 M134 (E130R1) sarin bomblets for the Honest John. The Internet has a number of articles, with photos. Attached is a 1960 cutaway photo of the Honest John cluster bomb warhead, showing the sarin bomblets. The last conventional Honest Johns were replaced with MGM-52 Lance missiles in 1991, I believe.

Perhaps my 90-year-old brain conflated the Vietnam War dates with the similar sarin deployment dates, leading me to believe that must have been the reason for the Pentagon's ordering that sarin production be expedited, with round-the-clock, 7-day continuous production. But it seems now that pace was generated by Russian Cold War threats in Europe at the time. Mea culpa.



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