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There's a common misconception - one needs BOTH a DX Body AND an FX Body ... why?
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Jan 14, 2018 14:13:57   #
Shutterbug57
 
Chris T wrote:
Bug ... here's a suggestion for you ... go to your local camera shop with both a FX and a DX of your liking ...

Ask to see a Tamron SP 70-300 VC USD ....

Attach it to your DX camera and take a picture ... then, attach it to your FX camera and take a picture ... return it to them ...

Then come on home and transfer both pics to your computer ... then take a look for yourself ... see if you can find any obvious differences ....
Bug ... here's a suggestion for you ... go to your... (show quote)


Why would that be different than using my 80-200/2.8?

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Jan 14, 2018 14:18:18   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
Well, in some cases it can make reasonable sense. Let me preface my comment by saying I don’t think it is a necessity to have both formats. One always has the option of cropping down an image taken with a FF to get the same field of view one would get with a crop sensor camera. To me, need is a case of not being able to get the job done without having both, and I can’t think of cases where not having both formats would be preventative.

Anyway, why do I have both and use both? First off, I often take extended photo trips to places far remove from home. After a near disaster on one of these trips, I decided it was in my best interest to carry two bodies as insurance against finding myself without a working camera while 1500 miles from home half way into a ten day trip. So, I invested in a second body. My primary body has been a FF. When I bought the second body I took advantage of a good deal and picked up a decent crop body. I did this with the idea that when in the field I could set up body/lens combinations that would allow me to take advantage of the crop body’s field of view [“reach”] and compose shots without having to plan for cropping later. It was a convenient way of aiding my ability to compose shots. It also allows me to have both wide angle and telephoto option available without having to swap lens in the field, a nice convenience. Again, not a necessity, but helpful.
Well, in some cases it can make reasonable sense. ... (show quote)


All sound reasons, Jim ... but the soundest thing you've written here - is that there must be a backup camera for your in-use system. This presumes - if your primary is a DX, then, the backup should also be a DX. By the same reasoning - if your primary is an FX, then your back-up should also be.

The contention one is better off with one dig cam FF and the other dig cam - crop sensor, is like adding milk to your coffee cup to the brim, and then topping off with a teaspoon of coffee. Not sure whether that makes much sense to you, but it does, to me. If you drink coffee, in other words - make it so, as Jean-Luc Picard would say. And if you drink tea - make sure it's Earl Grey!!! ... I hope you get my drift, Jim ....

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Jan 14, 2018 14:29:04   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Shutterbug57 wrote:
Why would that be different than using my 80-200/2.8?


If your 80-200 is a Nikon FX lens, Bug ... chances are it would be different, as you have indicated a D850 senses it has a FX lens on it, and not a DX.

The Tamron SP 70-300 is designated Di, as opposed to Di II. The former designation helps folks to understand the lens is the same, whether used on an FX body or a DX body. If you buy a Tamron lens, designated Di II - then that lens is designed to be used on a DX body. The 18-270 VC PZD, the 16-300 VC PZD, and the 18-400 VC HLD are all Di II lenses, and should be used, appropriately.

The SP 70-300, however - is "format-neutral" ... and can be used on either a DX body or an FX body, with no appreciable difference, between the two.

In other words - this is one helluva piece of glass!!!!

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Jan 14, 2018 14:36:51   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
tomcat wrote:
Some of us that have a poor short-term memory may need to be reminded from time to time when we don't do it that often---you'll be there one day too, young grasshopper........


Tom Cat ... young grasshopper, huh?

70 year-old grasshopper ....

I was warming hearths, long before David Carradine even KNEW what Kung Fu was!!!!!

Just me and the crickets ....



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Jan 14, 2018 14:53:00   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Chris T wrote:
How do you figure that, RE?

Have you actually DONE such an exercise?

I've never put my fingers in a electrical outlet either

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Jan 14, 2018 14:59:33   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
rehess wrote:
I've never put my fingers in a electrical outlet either


I remember, when I was a kid, I stuck a pair of scissors in there, and Boy! - did I get a shock!

And - the impulse took a hole out of one side of the cutting blades, too !!!!'

I'll never do THAT, again ....

But, the last time I stuck a lens on a camera ... I never got a shock, RE ....

However, I'll tell you this ... each time I do it, and it slides right in, first time ... I have this VERY pleasant sensation - run all through me ....




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Jan 14, 2018 15:10:06   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Chris T wrote:
All sound reasons, Jim ... but the soundest thing you've written here - is that there must be a backup camera for your in-use system. This presumes - if your primary is a DX, then, the backup should also be a DX. By the same reasoning - if your primary is an FX, then your back-up should also be.

The contention one is better off with one dig cam FF and the other dig cam - crop sensor, is like adding milk to your coffee cup to the brim, and then topping off with a teaspoon of coffee. Not sure whether that makes much sense to you, but it does, to me. If you drink coffee, in other words - make it so, as Jean-Luc Picard would say. And if you drink tea - make sure it's Earl Grey!!! ... I hope you get my drift, Jim ....
All sound reasons, Jim ... but the soundest thing ... (show quote)


Well, I guess I can’t agree with the use of “should” here. One might presume that a person might, more than likely, duplicate their body’s format when adding a second body, but I don’t see that as a given. Should would imply right vs. wrong, and I see nothing wrong with following a different alternative if it offers possibilities that work for the individual. In my case, I like the ability of taking advantage of the crop body’s “extended reach” in some situations, where it allows me to compose shots without having to consider cropping later.

A good example of where I did this was when I hiked the Virgin River Narrows in Zion NP. I set up my wide angle on the FF, and my longer 24-105 on the crop body. This effectively let me compose shots covering a field of view of 17-168mm without the need to carrying a 70-200 lens or switch lens while knee deep in the middle of the river. And, I could compose the longer shots without having to think about cropping down later. Arguably small advantages, but worked well for me, an was more effective than it would have been had I had two FF bodies only.

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Jan 14, 2018 15:15:52   #
tomcat
 
Chris T wrote:
Tom Cat ... young grasshopper, huh?

70 year-old grasshopper ....

I was warming hearths, long before David Carradine even KNEW what Kung Fu was!!!!!

Just me and the crickets ....






right there with you dude. coming up on 70 in August. When I cash out my retirement account, I'm going to go get a Nikon D6, as I figure it will be the last camera that I'll ever need. I'm looking for one with voice commands. Rumor has it that this new D6s version will let you just ask for it to increase/decrease shutter speed or increase/decrease ISO, which would enable you to keep shooting and not take your eye away from the camera.

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Jan 14, 2018 15:17:39   #
tomcat
 
rehess wrote:
I've never put my fingers in a electrical outlet either



Don't be so negative, dude. There's certain to be a charge out of this and it may make a positive influence in your life and keep you grounded. I'm kinda neutral about this, so watts to lose?

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Jan 14, 2018 15:26:05   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
tomcat wrote:
right there with you dude. coming up on 70 in August. When I cash out my retirement account, I'm going to go get a Nikon D6, as I figure it will be the last camera that I'll ever need. I'm looking for one with voice commands. Rumor has it that this new D6s version will let you just ask for it to increase/decrease shutter speed or increase/decrease ISO, which would enable you to keep shooting and not take your eye away from the camera.


Don't worry about it, Tom ... it's just another birthday ....

D6, huh? ... Well, since the D5 was 6.5" wide and over 3lbs ... the one that talks to you, will undoubtedly be a foot wide and weigh 5 lbs.

Oh, will it do the dishes, too?

If so ... where do I sign up?

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Jan 14, 2018 15:35:49   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
Well, I guess I can’t agree with the use of “should” here. One might presume that a person might, more than likely, duplicate their body’s format when adding a second body, but I don’t see that as a given. Should would imply right vs. wrong, and I see nothing wrong with following a different alternative if it offers possibilities that work for the individual. In my case, I like the ability of taking advantage of the crop body’s “extended reach” in some situations, where it allows me to compose shots without having to consider cropping later.

A good example of where I did this was when I hiked the Virgin River Narrows in Zion NP. I set up my wide angle on the FF, and my longer 24-105 on the crop body. This effectively let me compose shots covering a field of view of 17-168mm without the need to carrying a 70-200 lens or switch lens while knee deep in the middle of the river. And, I could compose the longer shots without having to think about cropping down later. Arguably small advantages, but worked well for me, an was more effective than it would have been had I had two FF bodies only.
Well, I guess I can’t agree with the use of “shoul... (show quote)


Is this is in Utah, Jim ... or somewhere in northern Cal?

Not that familiar with western territory ... although I did drive down the west coast from Vancouver to LA, once ....

Now, the 24-105 is a lens designed for FF bodies, right? ... But you used it on a DX ....

Look, who am I to downplay your choice to go with a body of each format? If it works for you ... go with it, Jim ....

I tend to think the extra wide thing, is just as easily done on a DX as it is on an FX. I mean you can use 10mm, even 8mm ....

Can you imagine doing THAT on an FX? ... The widest you can go is - what - 15mm ... 14mm ... 12 mm (or is that already a fisheye?)

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Jan 14, 2018 15:38:38   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
tomcat wrote:
Don't be so negative, dude. There's certain to be a charge out of this and it may make a positive influence in your life and keep you grounded. I'm kinda neutral about this, so watts to lose?


Now that little piece, TC ... really sparked me up ...

I am now - fully ignited ....

I am ready to make Starbursts ...

Quick ... light my wick!

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Jan 14, 2018 15:46:25   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Chris T wrote:
Is this is in Utah, Jim ... or somewhere in northern Cal?

Not that familiar with western territory ... although I did drive down the west coast from Vancouver to LA, once ....

Now, the 24-105 is a lens designed for FF bodies, right? ... But you used it on a DX ....

Look, who am I to downplay your choice to go with a body of each format? If it works for you ... go with it, Jim ....

I tend to think the extra wide thing, is just as easily done on a DX as it is on an FX. I mean you can use 10mm, even 8mm ....

Can you imagine doing THAT on an FX? ... The widest you can go is - what - 15mm ... 14mm ... 12 mm (or is that already a fisheye?)
Is this is in Utah, Jim ... or somewhere in northe... (show quote)


Yes, Zion NP is in Utah.

All of my lens are compatible with both FF or crop bodies.

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Jan 14, 2018 15:56:40   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Photographer Jim wrote:
Yes, Zion NP is in Utah.

All of my lens are compatible with both FF or crop bodies.


I thought it may've been ...

Am not totally unfamiliar with the concept ... having been an LDSer for a while ....

It's good that you feel ALL your lenses work just as well on either body ...

I was trying to drive that home to Shutterbug a little while ago - on this very thread ... but he wasn't buying it ....

Anyway ... glad you've found "home" in several areas of your life, Jim ....

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Jan 14, 2018 16:29:34   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Chris T wrote:
I thought it may've been ...

Am not totally unfamiliar with the concept ... having been an LDSer for a while ....

It's good that you feel ALL your lenses work just as well on either body ...

I was trying to drive that home to Shutterbug a little while ago - on this very thread ... but he wasn't buying it ....

Anyway ... glad you've found "home" in several areas of your life, Jim ....


All of my lenses are Canon L series lens and are compatible with any Canon EOS body, regardless of sensor size. All were purchased before I acquired the crop body. I have never seen a need or advantage to purchasing additional lens that are design for use on crop bodies exclusively, especially considering Canon touts their L lenses as their best.

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