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Jan 2, 2018 15:33:14   #
scuff
 
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photography before my 17yo was born and then got busy with (5) kids. I'm wanting to get into it again and get beyond pics on the iphone. I like taking pictures of my family and friends, nature and some architecture.

So, help me pic a camera, please! Reading reviews and people's posts over the past week, I was leaning towards a Nikon 5500. I just went to Best Buy to look in person and I liked the 5500, but also really liked the Fujifilm x-T20.

So, between those two:
The Nikon: I really liked the way it felt in my hands. It's bigger, but gave me something to grip onto. It was a little confusing to figure out how to make it work at first. Then, I figured out that it wasn't going to let me take pictures without a card in it. So, I'm not dumb, they just had a poor display not really allowing me to actually try out the camera. That part was a bit frustrating. But, I imagine it's not an impossible hurdle once I really sat down with one.

The Fujifilm: It seems the most intuitive. It looks and feels a lot like the old Canon FTb film camera that I have. Everything is plainly labeled and didn't take any effort to just pick up and use. I didn't know anything about it before going to the store, though. I never see it discussed (but perhaps just didn't notice. Everyone seems to have Nikon or Canon). It says that it's mirrorless, which I imagine has to do with the inner-workings of the camera. But, I have no idea if that's good or not. It's also a couple hundred dollars more expensive and seems harder to find used (after a quick ebay/amazon search) I'd have to wait a little to get this one. But not too long since tax time is coming up quickly. Is there perhaps a slightly lesser model that's still good, but not as $$?

Thoughts? Suggestions?

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Jan 2, 2018 15:44:23   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Any camera you get is going to be very good. To me an EVF (electronic view finder) is very important, they come on Mirrorless cameras. If you want to go Fuji, look at the xt1 used, can be had for a very good price. Much better feel in the hand than the xt20. The 18–55 from Fuji is an exceptional kit lens, nothing like what comes with the Nikon.

Good luck, buy what feels right, as I said, any camera is capable of taking award winners. The obstacle is the chimp pressing the shutter.

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Jan 2, 2018 16:07:44   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
scuff wrote:
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photography before my 17yo was born and then got busy with (5) kids. I'm wanting to get into it again and get beyond pics on the iphone. I like taking pictures of my family and friends, nature and some architecture.

So, help me pic a camera, please! Reading reviews and people's posts over the past week, I was leaning towards a Nikon 5500. I just went to Best Buy to look in person and I liked the 5500, but also really liked the Fujifilm x-T20.

So, between those two:
The Nikon: I really liked the way it felt in my hands. It's bigger, but gave me something to grip onto. It was a little confusing to figure out how to make it work at first. Then, I figured out that it wasn't going to let me take pictures without a card in it. So, I'm not dumb, they just had a poor display not really allowing me to actually try out the camera. That part was a bit frustrating. But, I imagine it's not an impossible hurdle.

The Fujifilm: It seems the most intuitive. It looks and feels a lot like the old Canon FTb film camera that I have. Everything is plainly labeled and didn't take any effort to just pick up and use. I didn't know anything about it before going to the store, though. I never see it discussed (but perhaps just didn't notice. Everyone seems to have Nikon or Canon). It says that it's mirrorless, which I imagine has to do with the inner-workings of the camera. But, I have no idea if that's good or not. It's also a couple hundred dollars more expensive and seems harder to find used (after a quick ebay/amazon search) I'd have to wait a little to get this one. But not too long since tax time is coming up quickly. Is there perhaps a slightly lesser model that's still good, but not as $$?

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photo... (show quote)


That Nikon is a dSLR (digital single lens reflex). The dSLR design uses a mirror and a pentaprism to send the image coming through the lens through an optical viewfinder. That adds mechanical complexity, physical depth, and lots of moving parts to the camera body. However, SLRs have been around since the late 1950s, and are well established. The finder goes dark at the moment of exposure, just as it does with your Canon FTb. The mirror has to flop up and slam against a foam dampener. Then the shutter opens and closes. Finally, the mirror comes down. That can add vibration and introduce lens-to-body alignment issues that result in focusing errors with some lenses. Mirrorless cameras use the sensor to focus directly, so there are no moving parts to be aligned. But the technology used to focus mirrorless cameras can be slower than that used in dSLRs.

The Fujifilm is a MILC (mirrorless interchangeable lens camera). Mirrorless cameras use the sensor to send an image to an electronic viewfinder or to the rear LCD/OLED screen. You see an image that is processed through the camera electronics, so you can adjust menu settings, exposure, etc. and see the effects in real time. You know what you are getting before you get it. The down side of that, thus far, is that the processing takes time, introducing a very tiny delay between what actually happened and what you see. That can be critical for some applications, and insignificant for others.

Mirrorless bodies can be slightly lighter than dSLRs. But APS-C format Fujinon lenses and DX Nikon lenses are roughly equal in size and weight for the same focal lengths and maximum apertures. If you want real weight savings from a mirrorless camera SYSTEM, you need an Olympus or Panasonic Lumix Micro 4/3 system.

Fujifilm cameras have a nice set of buttons, dials, and knobs on them. If that is what you are used to, you may find that camera much easier to use. The menus on that camera are also very straightforward and easy to use. The D5600 Nikon is a fairly well-refined design, but has its own style. I would urge you to find some avenue where you may try BOTH cameras to see which makes more sense in your hands.

Nikon is the #3 camera brand in total sales, behind Canon (#1) and Sony (#2). Fujifilm is down the list a bit, but they make EXCELLENT bodies and lenses. Also available are excellent cameras from Olympus and Panasonic and Pentax. Another camera I would seriously consider, since you like the Fujifilm X-T20, is the Panasonic Lumix G85. It, too, has plenty of real buttons, dials, simple menus, and an ergonomically appealing design. The Sony a6300 and a6500 are also worth considering, as is the Olympus OM‑D E‑M5. But they are not as easy to use for some people (the menus can be hard to navigate).

Of all these, my picks would be the Fujifilm X-T20 and the Lumix G85. Final decision on those would come down to sensor size vs. system weight.

You can find reviews of all these cameras at http://www.dpreview.com, and all over YouTube.

I really don't think you can go wrong with any choice in this class. You might consider whether a friend or family member has compatible lenses you might borrow.

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Jan 2, 2018 16:35:45   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
Another good choice, if you like the Fuji system, is the Fuji XE-2s. It’s a rangefinder-style mirrorless camera and is rated quite high. Currently you can get the XE-2S with the Fujinon 18-55mm lens for $999.00. If you can afford that, it makes for a very nice, low profile camera. Check out the review of the XE-2s by Imaging Resources. They like it a lot, and they tend to give very good reviews.

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Jan 2, 2018 16:38:21   #
BebuLamar
 
First I must say I can't recommend the OP either way. It's ultimately the OP has to decide. For myself although I like the SLR type cameras better I found the Nikon D5500 isn't very nice and the Fuji is very nice (but it's more expensive too) so if I have to choose I would pick the Fuji.

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Jan 2, 2018 17:34:43   #
scuff
 
tdekany wrote:
Any camera you get is going to be very good. To me an EVF (electronic view finder) is very important, they come on Mirrorless cameras. If you want to go Fuji, look at the xt1 used, can be had for a very good price. Much better feel in the hand than the xt20. The 18–55 from Fuji is an exceptional kit lens, nothing like what comes with the Nikon.

Good luck, buy what feels right, as I said, any camera is capable of taking award winners. The obstacle is the chimp pressing the shutter.


Thanks! I'm thinking that I will like that one better. thanks for the other model to look for!

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Jan 2, 2018 17:45:33   #
scuff
 
burkphoto wrote:
That Nikon is a dSLR (digital single lens reflex). The dSLR design uses a mirror and a pentaprism to send the image coming through the lens through an optical viewfinder. That adds mechanical complexity, physical depth, and lots of moving parts to the camera body. However, SLRs have been around since the late 1950s, and are well established. The finder goes dark at the moment of exposure, just as it does with your Canon FTb. The mirror has to flop up and slam against a foam dampener. Then the shutter opens and closes. Finally, the mirror comes down. That can add vibration and introduce lens-to-body alignment issues that result in focusing errors with some lenses. Mirrorless cameras use the sensor to focus directly, so there are no moving parts to be aligned. But the technology used to focus mirrorless cameras can be slower than that used in dSLRs.

The Fujifilm is a MILC (mirrorless interchangeable lens camera). Mirrorless cameras use the sensor to send an image to an electronic viewfinder or to the rear LCD/OLED screen. You see an image that is processed through the camera electronics, so you can adjust menu settings, exposure, etc. and see the effects in real time. You know what you are getting before you get it. The down side of that, thus far, is that the processing takes time, introducing a very tiny delay between what actually happened and what you see. That can be critical for some applications, and insignificant for others.

Mirrorless bodies can be slightly lighter than dSLRs. But APS-C format Fujinon lenses and DX Nikon lenses are roughly equal in size and weight for the same focal lengths and maximum apertures. If you want real weight savings from a mirrorless camera SYSTEM, you need an Olympus or Panasonic Lumix Micro 4/3 system.

Fujifilm cameras have a nice set of buttons, dials, and knobs on them. If that is what you are used to, you may find that camera much easier to use. The menus on that camera are also very straightforward and easy to use. The D5600 Nikon is a fairly well-refined design, but has its own style. I would urge you to find some avenue where you may try BOTH cameras to see which makes more sense in your hands.

Nikon is the #3 camera brand in total sales, behind Canon (#1) and Sony (#2). Fujifilm is down the list a bit, but they make EXCELLENT bodies and lenses. Also available are excellent cameras from Olympus and Panasonic and Pentax. Another camera I would seriously consider, since you like the Fujifilm X-T20, is the Panasonic Lumix G85. It, too, has plenty of real buttons, dials, simple menus, and an ergonomically appealing design. The Sony a6300 and a6500 are also worth considering, as is the Olympus OM‑D E‑M5. But they are not as easy to use for some people (the menus can be hard to navigate).

Of all these, my picks would be the Fujifilm X-T20 and the Lumix G85. Final decision on those would come down to sensor size vs. system weight.

You can find reviews of all these cameras at http://www.dpreview.com, and all over YouTube.

I really don't think you can go wrong with any choice in this class. You might consider whether a friend or family member has compatible lenses you might borrow.
That Nikon is a dSLR (digital single lens reflex).... (show quote)


Thanks for all the info, Burk!

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Jan 2, 2018 18:06:55   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
scuff wrote:
Thanks! I'm thinking that I will like that one better. thanks for the other model to look for!


Any time! Have fun and get sharp lenses.

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Jan 2, 2018 19:20:29   #
le boecere
 
Wingpilot wrote:
Another good choice, if you like the Fuji system, is the Fuji XE-2s. It’s a rangefinder-style mirrorless camera and is rated quite high. Currently you can get the XE-2S with the Fujinon 18-55mm lens for $999.00. If you can afford that, it makes for a very nice, low profile camera. Check out the review of the XE-2s by Imaging Resources. They like it a lot, and they tend to give very good reviews.


To the OP: And, I bought one in mint condition on eBay, for a bit over $500. It CAN be done.

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Jan 2, 2018 19:30:48   #
le boecere
 
scuff wrote:
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photography before my 17yo was born and then got busy with (5) kids. I'm wanting to get into it again and get beyond pics on the iphone. I like taking pictures of my family and friends, nature and some architecture.

So, help me pic a camera, please! Reading reviews and people's posts over the past week, I was leaning towards a Nikon 5500. I just went to Best Buy to look in person and I liked the 5500, but also really liked the Fujifilm x-T20.

So, between those two:
The Nikon: I really liked the way it felt in my hands. It's bigger, but gave me something to grip onto. It was a little confusing to figure out how to make it work at first. Then, I figured out that it wasn't going to let me take pictures without a card in it. So, I'm not dumb, they just had a poor display not really allowing me to actually try out the camera. That part was a bit frustrating. But, I imagine it's not an impossible hurdle once I really sat down with one.

The Fujifilm: It seems the most intuitive. It looks and feels a lot like the old Canon FTb film camera that I have. Everything is plainly labeled and didn't take any effort to just pick up and use. I didn't know anything about it before going to the store, though. I never see it discussed (but perhaps just didn't notice. Everyone seems to have Nikon or Canon). It says that it's mirrorless, which I imagine has to do with the inner-workings of the camera. But, I have no idea if that's good or not. It's also a couple hundred dollars more expensive and seems harder to find used (after a quick ebay/amazon search) I'd have to wait a little to get this one. But not too long since tax time is coming up quickly. Is there perhaps a slightly lesser model that's still good, but not as $$?

Thoughts? Suggestions?
Hello everyone. I dabbled a little with film photo... (show quote)


You wrote this: "I like taking pictures of my family and friends,...". When you are making your decision, keep in mind that most kids and pets don't hold still for a slow focusing camera, especially in low light. I found that the Sony a6000, with a "prime" lens is faster to get into operation and then capture the fleeting image, than the Fujifilm X-E2, or the Sony RX100III. Have a Sony-phile friend who tells me the a6000's are even faster than the a7's. ~ FWIW

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Jan 2, 2018 19:49:24   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
le boecere wrote:
You wrote this: "I like taking pictures of my family and friends,...". When you are making your decision, keep in mind that most kids and pets don't hold still for a slow focusing camera, especially in low light. I found that the Sony a6000, with a "prime" lens is faster to get into operation and then capture the fleeting image, than the Fujifilm X-E2, or the Sony RX100III. Have a Sony-phile friend who tells me the a6000's are even faster than the a7's. ~ FWIW
You wrote this: "I like taking pictures of m... (show quote)


The key is quick focus AND fast shutter. The Sony A6000 is at the top of the list for this. Currently listed at $699.99 with the two kit lenses, the 16-50 and 55-210 zoom, it is a bargain and a great value.

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Jan 3, 2018 06:44:18   #
mr spock Loc: Fairfield CT
 
Those that came before me have given you very sound advice to help you make your decision.
My only comment would be: IMHO Best Buy is one of the last places to purchase photo equipment

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Jan 3, 2018 08:08:16   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
Before you pluck down one dollar of you’re hard earned money you owe it to your self and family and all those in your life to research the Panasonic G85! You will thank me later.

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Jan 3, 2018 08:45:06   #
Albert2000
 
There is a HUGE Facebook following for the Fuji TX-20. If you are on FB check it out the groups. An amazing camera at its price point. Also, lots of YouTube tutorials. Especially wonderful ones by pro photographer Omar Gonzales.

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Jan 3, 2018 09:58:18   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
davyboy wrote:
Before you pluck down one dollar of you’re hard earned money you owe it to your self and family and all those in your life to research the Panasonic G85! You will thank me later.




https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonic-lumix-dmc-g85-g80 — They gave it their Gold Award

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr0uPSOF0jE&t=4s

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=panasonic+g85

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