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Dec 21, 2017 19:12:03   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
Historically, a republican administration comes into power and "lowers taxes." This leads to greater deficits, and often a recession which leads to a democratic administration coming into power and needing to raise taxes, and the spiral continues.

This time the tax cut also will end up "blowing up" "health care system," and they also decided not to fund the Special Children's Health Plan. These two combined will through tens of thousands out of their health insurance coverage.

At the same time the top 20 percent of earners will receive 80 percent of the advantages of the new plan!
Historically, a republican administration comes in... (show quote)



It is sad that people do not believe what is so evident. But as is always the case, those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it. And the old, the infirm, and the children will again bear the brunt of it. SAD. You get what you vote for.

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Dec 21, 2017 19:15:47   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I understand it quite well, dirty. It is easy math to understand 8 in 10 American filers get some kind of break. It’s also simple math to understand the top fifth of filers make 52% of the income yet pay 67% of ALL taxes, which includes income taxes, estate taxes, excise taxes, corporate taxes, and PAYROLL taxes. It’s also simple math to see that the bottom 40% of all American filers make 13.1% of all income but pay a NEGATIVE 3.2% in income taxes, and only 5% of ALL taxes, and finally......wait for it........corporations (I.e. companies) are made up of people, wage earners, the vast majority of them middle class and below, and the corporate tax cut will make our companies competitive in the global economy and will dramatically increase the possibility of better wages and better 401Ks for those vert same workers.

Only the progressive, goose-stepping mind, in synche with the nutshell left leadership who believe only in government control over all of your money, can not understand this.

Like 1000 lawyers on the ocean floor, it is a good START
I understand it quite well, dirty. It is easy math... (show quote)


Lol easy math to understand 8 in 10 American filers get some kind of break.

What with some kinda break about. Lol

You know nothing. Just loose mouth

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Dec 21, 2017 19:19:34   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Cykdelic wrote:
I understand it quite well, dirty. It is easy math to understand 8 in 10 American filers get some kind of break. It’s also simple math to understand the top fifth of filers make 52% of the income yet pay 67% of ALL taxes, which includes income taxes, estate taxes, excise taxes, corporate taxes, and PAYROLL taxes. It’s also simple math to see that the bottom 40% of all American filers make 13.1% of all income but pay a NEGATIVE 3.2% in income taxes, and only 5% of ALL taxes, and finally......wait for it........corporations (I.e. companies) are made up of people, wage earners, the vast majority of them middle class and below, and the corporate tax cut will make our companies competitive in the global economy and will draQmatically increase the possibility of better wages and better 401Ks for those vert same workers.

Only the progressive, goose-stepping mind, in synche with the nutshell left leadership who believe only in government control over all of your money, can not understand this.

Like 1000 lawyers on the ocean floor, it is a good START
I understand it quite well, dirty. It is easy math... (show quote)


What is easy to understand. It the start of another recession. As many economist have all been saying. Another repeat if rayguns two trickel down recessions

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Dec 21, 2017 19:39:04   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Lol easy math to understand 8 in 10 American filers get some kind of break.

What with some kinda break about. Lol

You know nothing. Just loose mouth



Have another beer and doobie and continue your ignorance, oh ignorant one!

8 of 10 get a break!!!

If you don’t like yours, return it! LOL!

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Dec 21, 2017 20:25:06   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Have another beer and doobie and continue your ignorance, oh ignorant one!

8 of 10 get a break!!!

If you don’t like yours, return it! LOL!


Anything be far better than yourself misguided B's.

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Dec 21, 2017 20:49:20   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Pegasus wrote:
It's a tax reform bill. It's for people who pay taxes.


SS payments are an earned benefit. In most cases it is earned through a lifetime of contributing into the system.

These beneficiaries are not free loaders as your snide and ignorant post seeks to imply.

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Dec 21, 2017 20:50:39   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Hal81 wrote:
You got to be kidding. GOP.. Do you really think it wouldn't happen if the dumb dems were in charge. This country is in debt to the tune of over 20 trillion. And we are still sending billions over seas. We have a fox guarding the hen house.


Based on your concern about the deficit, can we assume you opposed the GOP tax plan?

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Dec 21, 2017 20:55:36   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
SS payments are an earned benefit. In most cases it is earned through a lifetime of contributing into the system.

These beneficiaries are not free loaders as your snide and ignorant post seeks to imply.


Yes, and through Obamacare's cuts to supplemental plans the cost of living increases to Social Security have been consumed by increases in Part D and Supplemental plans...

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Dec 21, 2017 21:08:06   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Yes, and through Obamacare's cuts to supplemental plans the cost of living increases to Social Security have been consumed by increases in Part D and Supplemental plans...


Care to share a link to to your source material?

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Dec 21, 2017 23:28:16   #
drainbamage
 
Bazbo wrote:
SS payments are an earned benefit. In most cases it is earned through a lifetime of contributing into the system.

These beneficiaries are not free loaders as your snide and ignorant post seeks to imply.


For 47 years I "contributed" to SS and Medicare - every single paycheck. The government told me when I got my first job that this was a great "savings" account for me. I had no choice but to "save". When the government set up the Social Security program, they banked on the fact that life expectancy was about the time of retirement, and they would have a lot of $$ that people were forced to pay into it, but then died before they could reap the benefits of it. Therefore, they expected the SS/MC coffers to grow. The problem is twofold: People started living longer, and they robbed the coffers.

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Dec 22, 2017 04:48:37   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Bazbo wrote:
Care to share a link to to your source material?


My source material is the statement provided to my mother from Social Security, the government has flooded the web and news agencies with denial, but a simple reading of the earnings and deduction statements sent out to SS recipients tells a different story, she banks less after her raises than she did before, significantly less than a few years ago... That $716 billion dollars that Obamacare took from the Medicare budget was not all about savings as the government said it would be.

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Dec 22, 2017 07:39:46   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
You'll probably get a gold harp in heaven.

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Dec 22, 2017 07:42:33   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Republican member of Congress: Trump said he would go after Social Security 'the first day of his second term'

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-social-security-medicare-changes-second-term-2017-12

Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16741730/gop-agenda-medicare-social-security



Gives 'em something to do to help the top 1%. Maybe some of you average folks in the lower 99% will figure that out before 2020

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Dec 22, 2017 07:46:27   #
Tom G Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
dirtpusher wrote:
These low educated followers willing to cut thier own throat.



Be nice, DP; education is not necessarily commensurate with intelligence.

Many of the Trump supporters are intelligent, but they don't have the interest to think analytical.

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Dec 22, 2017 10:23:53   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Tom G wrote:
Be nice, DP; education is not necessarily commensurate with intelligence.

Many of the Trump supporters are intelligent, but they don't have the interest to think analytical.


Do they think

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