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Nov 27, 2017 14:17:35   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
via the lens wrote:
In another post someone said they shot RAW and JPEG and they were asking about a way to delete some RAW files easily. They said they "cull photos by viewing the jpegs" and I'm curious as to why this would be a better way to view photos than simply looking at the RAW photos? I've read that other people do this, too. I just import the RAW photos into Lightroom, put an "X" on the ones I don't want and then at the end delete all of them, which is sometimes over a hundred. What am I missing by just viewing my RAW files and then only having to quickly delete the unwanted files with a quick keystroke or two?
In another post someone said they shot RAW and JPE... (show quote)

As long as you are using Lightroom, I see no reason to shoot both if the only logic is to “cull” out what you don’t want. I pretty much do the same as you. There may be a reason to shoot both if you are pressed for time and want to email a few shots to someone, before you start processing using LR and Photoshop.
Bud

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Nov 27, 2017 14:18:52   #
tenny52 Loc: San Francisco
 
I shoot RAW+jpg. I use the output-jpg of the LR to compare with the camera-jpg. Sometimes I have trouble to surpass the camera-jpg. My LP-jpg could be off the color as the tinting could make the picture too red or green and I wouldn't perceive that without a reference.
I am a Faststone user and I found its tool:bath-convert-size feature is very useful for resizing a group of jpgs for email.

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Nov 27, 2017 14:29:42   #
ejones0310 Loc: Tulsa, OK
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
Go to MS Windows Support and download the Codec. MS makes one for most camera raw images. That way you can see the raw.

But to the original question. I shoot both for convenience. I sometimes have a"customer" who wants his picture NOW and wants to use his cellphone to put it on FB or another of those abominable social media. I can give him the jpeg right away without waiting till I post process.

Otherwise, no reason to have the jpegs.


Been there, done that. The updated codec didn't work for me. Apparently Microsoft stopped updating the codec for Windows 7, and I must stick with 7 for work compatibility reasons.

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Nov 27, 2017 14:52:45   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
If you decide to utilize the capabilities of raw, there are few reasons to shoot raw+jpeg. In-camera jpeg conversion is fast & easy.

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Nov 27, 2017 16:27:57   #
Larrymc Loc: Mississippi
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Good luck at..."simply looking at the RAW photos".


Its pretty simple with the right software. https://www.fastrawviewer.com/viewing-raw-is-not-impossible


Larry

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Nov 27, 2017 16:58:53   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I shoot RAW, and import the RAW files into Lightroom; and then begin deleting, and making adjustments.
I personally see no reason to shoot RAW and JPEG--but I could be missing something.
No one has addressed your very valid question yet.


The primary uses for raw plus JPEG are:

Immediate JPEG transfer from camera, via WiFi to smartphone, then smartphone to end user's email or server. The raw file can be edited later, for quality. (Photojournalism)

A professional job with a low budget, tight deadline, poorly controlled lighting conditions. Some images will be fine for immediate use. ALL will have backup latitude in raw files.

You are a pro and you FULLY understand ALL the menu settings on your camera, and how to set them for specific lighting conditions. The aim is to bypass post-processing for certain types of subject matter that do not need it. But you may see future uses of the same images that may be more lucrative... So you keep the raw files.

Recording raw files can help you bypass minor exposure and white balance errors. It allows maximum flexibility and quality in post-production, assuming there is time and budget for post-production.

Recording JPEGs can provide excellent results for certain subject matter, without the time or cost of post-production. Some wire services REQUIRE JPEGs. Most forensic photography must be done as JPEG only. In both cases, this is to ensure no one tampers with the original photos. In the case of photojournalism, it MAY be okay to capture both raw and JPEG, so long as the editor sees both for comparison.

The bulk of school portraiture and big box studio portraiture is recorded as JPEGs. There isn't enough margin in that extremely high volume, low price business to post-process raw files. Some of the labs churn out nearly a million packages of portraits a week! So those companies have very stringent standards for exposure and white balance, and the procedures to uphold them.

A little known fact about the JPEG file format is that it was never intended as a file format for editing. Way back in the 1990s, it was intended (and used) as an efficient format for image distribution, network transmission, archiving, and printing. The original assumption was that images would be converted from raw to TIFF or PSD, with adjustments in both places. Once all adjustments are complete, a JPEG is saved for viewing, web pages, photo labs... In-camera JPEGs were intended to be cull edit tools.

HOWEVER, as cameras evolved, they got better and better at processing JPEGs, with more and more sophisticated tools in each generation of camera. In many cases, if you know what to do with the menu settings, exposure, and white balance, you can create very nice JPEGs at the camera.

Somehow, that fact got lost...

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Nov 27, 2017 18:42:49   #
Silverman Loc: Michigan
 
What if I shoot RAW+JPEG, then want to take my SDHC card to Walgreens to have a few prints made for Family or Friends?

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Nov 27, 2017 19:59:58   #
shelty Loc: Medford, OR
 
Silverman wrote:
What if I shoot RAW+JPEG, then want to take my SDHC card to Walgreens to have a few prints made for Family or Friends?


My camera takes two SDHC cards. If it all on one card, then the raw file will not show, only the jpegs. You have to have a reader to read your particular raw file. It seems that nearly every camera out there has it's own raw file.

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Nov 27, 2017 20:00:58   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
via the lens wrote:
In another post someone said they shot RAW and JPEG and they were asking about a way to delete some RAW files easily. They said they "cull photos by viewing the jpegs" and I'm curious as to why this would be a better way to view photos than simply looking at the RAW photos? I've read that other people do this, too. I just import the RAW photos into Lightroom, put an "X" on the ones I don't want and then at the end delete all of them, which is sometimes over a hundred. What am I missing by just viewing my RAW files and then only having to quickly delete the unwanted files with a quick keystroke or two?
In another post someone said they shot RAW and JPE... (show quote)


Most people seem to be replying to your post title, which, to me, is different than the question in the body.

I view my recently taken shots in Windows Explorer "preview" mode. It only shows the JPEGs. When I find a JPEG that I don't want, I either go to the "details" list, and delete both the RAW and JPEG. OR, depending on how many there are in the shoot, I delete the JPEG in the preview (maybe write the # down), and then look at the detail list (in file order) and browse for RAWs missing the associated JPEG and delete the RAW. It may not be the most efficient method, but it works for me right now. Everyone probably has their own method that currently works for them.

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Nov 27, 2017 20:55:13   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
jbk224 wrote:
In answer to your question; you are missing nothing (And yes, you are actually viewing a jpg or equal when opening/viewing the RAW file (I am not familiar with LR protocols). Clearly whatever your 'need' for RAW and/or jpg; this works for you. The entire discussion here about reasons for shooting RAW, Jpg, or RAW+Jpg, while valid, is something that is and has been discussed at length in this forum. The only question I have for you is what camera do you use? I know Nikon, and if you shoot RAW only, there is an embedded high quality Jpg included in the RAW file. Depending upon your viewing/editing software, you can extract this for use (FYI....).
In answer to your question; you are missing nothin... (show quote)


Nikon, D800 and D500. LR shows the jpeg in the Develop Module in the ProPhoto color profile so it is a pretty good jpeg for editing. Interesting to what lengths we all go in viewing our photos, some of which seem to be fairly convoluted and time-consuming but works for the individual using the process. I like to save time and do things quickly for the most part if at all possible.

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Nov 27, 2017 21:06:57   #
via the lens Loc: Northern California, near Yosemite NP
 
Jim Bob wrote:
Good luck at..."simply looking at the RAW photos".


I'm actually not sure what you mean with this response?

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Nov 28, 2017 00:39:50   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
wdross wrote:
People like Burkphoto have indicated they have need of both. They can use the JPEG right away with little or no processing. It is there and ready. But there are times that they want to get the most out of post processing the image, or the photo needs correcting, and that requires RAW image processing. Most of the time, opening, prosessing, and closing a JPEG more than three times starts creating digital artifacts and doing more damage than correction. RAW processing will not normally suffer from opening, processing, and closing no matter how many times.
People like Burkphoto have indicated they have nee... (show quote)


Opening and closing JPEGS shouldn't modify the file or picture, but processing in any way will. If you work with JPEGS only, you should never save a processed image over the original in case you want to start over. Typically you would use "Save As" rather than "Save" and rename the processed picture.

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Nov 28, 2017 01:01:25   #
waegwan Loc: Mae Won Li
 
via the lens wrote:
In another post someone said they shot RAW and JPEG and they were asking about a way to delete some RAW files easily. They said they "cull photos by viewing the jpegs" and I'm curious as to why this would be a better way to view photos than simply looking at the RAW photos? I've read that other people do this, too. I just import the RAW photos into Lightroom, put an "X" on the ones I don't want and then at the end delete all of them, which is sometimes over a hundred. What am I missing by just viewing my RAW files and then only having to quickly delete the unwanted files with a quick keystroke or two?
In another post someone said they shot RAW and JPE... (show quote)


As others have said, because the JPG files load faster for general viewing. I have a really old slow computer (won't run the latest version of ON1) so I view in JPG and if there is something I want to work on in detail I have the RAW file.

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Nov 28, 2017 12:43:43   #
armymsg
 
ejones0310 wrote:
I cannot view the RAW files from within the Windows Explorer app. All I can see is an icon. The software that came with my camera is slow and clunky, so the quickest way to manage the files is to shoot both JPG & RAW and then delete the rejects in a pair from Windows Explorer.


I use Windows 10 Photo viewer to view raw files in .nef format. I am somewhat surprised that it has this capability.

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Nov 28, 2017 13:54:05   #
vbhargava Loc: San Diego
 
You can see the raw images in windows viewer, you just have to download from Microsoft or camera manufacturer the supporting software (Codec). Hope this helps!

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