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Nov 21, 2017 05:52:03   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Fotoartist wrote:
As a view camera owner and user I am aware of the Scheimpflug principle. And aware that tilting the lens down to achieve extended focus on the ground in front of you for instance is good in theory. And does work except in too many real world examples. Like, if the area in front of you contains a pole, structure, or a tree sticking above the surface, that part will be hopelessly out of focus in an otherwise great Depth of Field shot. So what happens is you end up gaining your Depth of Field through stopping down the lens as you would with a normal camera and lens anyway.

As an architectural photographer I couldn't pick and choose my locations and situations to fit Scheimfplug.
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With shift, you can move the lens to remove the pole from the composition, and tilt to increase the DoF. If there is a pole in the shot, it's not a shot worth taking anyway. You'd either have to move your camera or rely on content aware fill to remove and patch the image.

It doesn't make sense to say that two results are completely equivalent when they really aren't. The learning curve associated with utilizing tilt is difficult, and you have made a great point, the "wedge" of focus has to be properly visualized and utilized to make a successful image, and as you have noted, sometimes other approaches may be necessary.

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Nov 21, 2017 06:13:53   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
repleo wrote:
A couple of respondents have mentioned using view cameras in lieu of a T/S lens. I was wondering if a bellows attachment like the OM Auto mono-rail bellows could be used in the same way. They are usually described as being for macro use. They are pretty cumbersome for walking around use, but I'm just wondering if they would work. I don't see any sideways or up down adjustment on them. There is an example here.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Olympus-OM-Auto-Bellows-071/142494178710?hash=item212d509d96:g:E6wAAOSwmPdZqYRW
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I believe Nikon has (had) a bellows with these movements on it. Pretty incredible piece of equipment.

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Nov 21, 2017 09:04:26   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
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I guess that you are from the f64 crowd.

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Nov 21, 2017 10:10:43   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Thanks. I understand your point.
Gene51 wrote:
With shift, you can move the lens to remove the pole from the composition, and tilt to increase the DoF. If there is a pole in the shot, it's not a shot worth taking anyway. You'd either have to move your camera or rely on content aware fill to remove and patch the image.

It doesn't make sense to say that two results are completely equivalent when they really aren't. The learning curve associated with utilizing tilt is difficult, and you have made a great point, the "wedge" of focus has to be properly visualized and utilized to make a successful image, and as you have noted, sometimes other approaches may be necessary.
With shift, you can move the lens to remove the po... (show quote)

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Nov 21, 2017 15:08:46   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
JPL wrote:
I am curious about UHH members, if they own, rent or use tilt and shift lenses. And if you do, what kind of photography do you use them for?


I have (and use) two of these (1 is Tilt-Shift, the other is shift only) on my Mamiya RZ

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Nov 21, 2017 15:11:04   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I believe Nikon has (had) a bellows with these movements on it. Pretty incredible piece of equipment.


Yes, but you'll have "one hell of a time" trying to find one.

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Nov 21, 2017 15:31:57   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
I've seen them at used camera shows of vintage film cameras. The tilting kind is very rare though.
rfmaude41 wrote:
Yes, but you'll have "one hell of a time" trying to find one.

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Nov 22, 2017 13:19:40   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
rfmaude41 wrote:
Yes, but you'll have "one hell of a time" trying to find one.


Perhaps so.

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Nov 22, 2017 15:00:08   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Fotoartist wrote:
I've seen them at used camera shows of vintage film cameras. The tilting kind is very rare though.

The PB-4 is available, though: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/nikon-pb-4

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Nov 22, 2017 15:21:57   #
RWR Loc: La Mesa, CA
 
Pablo8 wrote:
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These are the Kenlock Bellows I bought in Pre digital days... Tilt Shift Cross movements.

Lots of possibilities there. I’ve had a 3 1/2 x 3 1/2 x 18" bellows and geared double rail from a Besseler lantern slide projector for probably 20 years or more, but have yet to do anything with it. I did buy a 480 f/9.0 APO Nikkor lens head (no shutter) some time ago - one of these days ... !

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Nov 29, 2017 16:14:13   #
kenArchi Loc: Seal Beach, CA
 
When I shoot in a mirrow, I turn around and shoot the backdrop and plug it in the mirrow. Now I am gone.

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Dec 3, 2017 01:05:17   #
PH CIB
 
Tilt and Shift lenses Quick and Easy Info,,,,,,https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvV5sINKnT8

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