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LR gravitating to ON1
Nov 19, 2017 12:36:58   #
Howard5252 Loc: New York / Florida (now)
 
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within ELEMENTS12, some Topaz plugins (mainly Re-Mask). A while back I installed and played around with ON1 but continued to do almost all of my PP as mentioned. Over time and sort of in the "just playing around" mode I used ON1 but not for images I really cared about. I worked my way up the learning curve for ON1 and it began to find its way in, along side of LR6 for my serious editing.
I'm not sure how I chose one or the other, it was just which one I felt like using at the time of editing. That time has passed; I still use LR6 but I am definitely using ON1 more.
This is a time of major changes at Adobe and an opening has been created for several other PP programs. ON1 has been aggressively (my opinion) trying to increase its share of the market and I think they are succeeding. It looks like they've gotten me. Going forward my tools will be ON1, ELEMENTS12 and some Topaz plugins.

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Nov 19, 2017 12:58:59   #
mrjcall Loc: Woodfin, NC
 
On1 2018 has made major strides in an effort to become competitive with LR and they are succeeding. I still use it as a plug-in for LR Classic, but if ON 1 ever includes the 'print preview' tool in their arsenal that LR has, I'll probably jump completely into the deep end of the ON1 pool. Until then, I'll continue using LR as my base, then ON1, DxO, Aurora as my plug-ins for their individual tools I like to use.

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Nov 20, 2017 06:40:02   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Howard5252 wrote:
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within ELEMENTS12, some Topaz plugins (mainly Re-Mask). A while back I installed and played around with ON1 but continued to do almost all of my PP as mentioned. Over time and sort of in the "just playing around" mode I used ON1 but not for images I really cared about. I worked my way up the learning curve for ON1 and it began to find its way in, along side of LR6 for my serious editing.
I'm not sure how I chose one or the other, it was just which one I felt like using at the time of editing. That time has passed; I still use LR6 but I am definitely using ON1 more.
This is a time of major changes at Adobe and an opening has been created for several other PP programs. ON1 has been aggressively (my opinion) trying to increase its share of the market and I think they are succeeding. It looks like they've gotten me. Going forward my tools will be ON1, ELEMENTS12 and some Topaz plugins.
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within... (show quote)


I use both - ON1 Raw 2018 and Lr Classic - as well as Ps 2018.

To be clear, On1 has a great raw editor, with greater capability for local adjustments - something Lr doesn't do all that well. It has a decent browser, and you can copy adjustments from one image to others, but it is not as fast and slick as in Lr. It lacks the catalog structure for image management.

Neither raw converter is capable of producing a finished image on it's own. I have yet to see that capability in any software, but On1 Raw 2018 is as close as it gets, when you look at the entire suite of programs included in it. You can seamlessly move from raw editor (Develop Module), to the Enhance Module (parametric editor that works on a bitmap), to the Effects Module (the main module where the magic happens) and back again. On1 is like the combination of using Adobe Camera Raw, Photoshop and Nik. Lr is like using ACR, but it has a much better organizing tool, the catalog, that so far does not really exist in other similar software.

Sticking with Elements is a step down from using Lr btw. There is much value in editing in a 16 bit workflow until the image is finished, at which point you can convert to jpeg for final output. With Elements, you are largely confined to editing jpegs or 8 bit tiff or psd, and you lose all the benefit of the 16 bit workflow.

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Nov 20, 2017 08:04:26   #
rmm0605 Loc: Atlanta GA
 
Howard5252 wrote:
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within ELEMENTS12, some Topaz plugins (mainly Re-Mask). A while back I installed and played around with ON1 but continued to do almost all of my PP as mentioned. Over time and sort of in the "just playing around" mode I used ON1 but not for images I really cared about. I worked my way up the learning curve for ON1 and it began to find its way in, along side of LR6 for my serious editing.
I'm not sure how I chose one or the other, it was just which one I felt like using at the time of editing. That time has passed; I still use LR6 but I am definitely using ON1 more.
This is a time of major changes at Adobe and an opening has been created for several other PP programs. ON1 has been aggressively (my opinion) trying to increase its share of the market and I think they are succeeding. It looks like they've gotten me. Going forward my tools will be ON1, ELEMENTS12 and some Topaz plugins.
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within... (show quote)


I am just starting to use ON1. I use LRCC, PSCC, and DXO.

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Nov 20, 2017 08:40:01   #
OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey
 
Just signed up for ON1 Plus for $129/yr, after using ON1 10 & Beta Raw 18 for awhile, (IMO,you won't be sorry). If I didn't need Adobe Illustrator,InDesign & Premier Pro, I'd drop Adobe CC Suite in a heart beat. I may just go back to using my older versions of CS5 or CS6 and save the $50+ on the Adobe subscription. I''ll give it (ON1) awhile, they say no subscription and you own it, that too can always change, like most others do.

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Nov 20, 2017 08:55:48   #
lwerthe1mer Loc: Birmingham, Alabama
 
I’m confused about the various options and appreciate all of your comments.

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Nov 20, 2017 11:26:10   #
SteveLew Loc: Sugar Land, TX
 
I to began to use On1 while still using Lightroom CC. Little by little I have been gravitating to On1 as I have learned the photo tools better. I now use On1 2018 Photo Raw Plus for most of my photo processing and find their tutorials, masking tools and other filter tools to be far more efficient than Lightroom which I have used for years.

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Nov 20, 2017 11:39:34   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Howard5252 wrote:
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within ELEMENTS12, some Topaz plugins (mainly Re-Mask). A while back I installed and played around with ON1 but continued to do almost all of my PP as mentioned. Over time and sort of in the "just playing around" mode I used ON1 but not for images I really cared about. I worked my way up the learning curve for ON1 and it began to find its way in, along side of LR6 for my serious editing.
I'm not sure how I chose one or the other, it was just which one I felt like using at the time of editing. That time has passed; I still use LR6 but I am definitely using ON1 more.
This is a time of major changes at Adobe and an opening has been created for several other PP programs. ON1 has been aggressively (my opinion) trying to increase its share of the market and I think they are succeeding. It looks like they've gotten me. Going forward my tools will be ON1, ELEMENTS12 and some Topaz plugins.
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within... (show quote)


ON1 is getting good reviews. I have it, but I haven't used it enough to be comfortable with it. No rush.

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Nov 20, 2017 12:30:55   #
wapiti Loc: round rock, texas
 
Gene51 wrote:
I use both - ON1 Raw 2018 and Lr Classic - as well as Ps 2018.

To be clear, On1 has a great raw editor, with greater capability for local adjustments - something Lr doesn't do all that well. It has a decent browser, and you can copy adjustments from one image to others, but it is not as fast and slick as in Lr. It lacks the catalog structure for image management.

Neither raw converter is capable of producing a finished image on it's own. I have yet to see that capability in any software, but On1 Raw 2018 is as close as it gets, when you look at the entire suite of programs included in it. You can seamlessly move from raw editor (Develop Module), to the Enhance Module (parametric editor that works on a bitmap), to the Effects Module (the main module where the magic happens) and back again. On1 is like the combination of using Adobe Camera Raw, Photoshop and Nik. Lr is like using ACR, but it has a much better organizing tool, the catalog, that so far does not really exist in other similar software.

Sticking with Elements is a step down from using Lr btw. There is much value in editing in a 16 bit workflow until the image is finished, at which point you can convert to jpeg for final output. With Elements, you are largely confined to editing jpegs or 8 bit tiff or psd, and you lose all the benefit of the 16 bit workflow.
I use both - ON1 Raw 2018 and Lr Classic - as well... (show quote)



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Nov 20, 2017 13:54:28   #
jamesl Loc: Pennsylvania
 
Howard5252 wrote:
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within ELEMENTS12, some Topaz plugins (mainly Re-Mask). A while back I installed and played around with ON1 but continued to do almost all of my PP as mentioned. Over time and sort of in the "just playing around" mode I used ON1 but not for images I really cared about. I worked my way up the learning curve for ON1 and it began to find its way in, along side of LR6 for my serious editing.
I'm not sure how I chose one or the other, it was just which one I felt like using at the time of editing. That time has passed; I still use LR6 but I am definitely using ON1 more.
This is a time of major changes at Adobe and an opening has been created for several other PP programs. ON1 has been aggressively (my opinion) trying to increase its share of the market and I think they are succeeding. It looks like they've gotten me. Going forward my tools will be ON1, ELEMENTS12 and some Topaz plugins.
For a long time I used LR6, ELEMENTS12, and within... (show quote)



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Nov 20, 2017 18:44:09   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
i kind of wish all of these comments were in one thread as lots of this has been discussed before. Unfortunately I've had to move from Aperature to LR as my primary workflow engine using lots of plugins from Nik (again someone that went away), topaz, On1 and macphun. Each has something the others didn't have. I loved the way Aperture worked, kind of had to put up with how LR worked (lost a lot of catalogs until i understood how they worked). Now with Adobe's decision to I've been looking for a different solution. There are things in LR I hate to lose like lens correction and the automated functions of Transform. I saw the handwriting on the way when Adobe bought out CC and stopped development on LR 6 so I've been looking at a number of products finally narrowing it down to ON1 Raw and Luminar. Both have had some growing pains but On1 Raw is getting there pretty quickly and quite openly. MacPhun is having a lot of issues especially around making the decision to release a PC version with 2018 which is pretty limited. Lots of issues and lots of upset users on their private locked support page in FB. But I feel they are trying and at least for me the standalone version on the Mac is quite a bit improved over 2017. With all that said if Adobe would just price classic only at a reasonable subscription price i would just use them with exports out to the others. However i will not pay $10/month for PS when I wont use it ever.

Its worth taking a look at On1 if you are looking for a DAM and Photo Editor or MacPhun if you are on Mac and dont need a DAM. They are promising a DAM in 2018 but time will tell.

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Nov 20, 2017 19:08:47   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Ednsb wrote:
i kind of wish all of these comments were in one thread as lots of this has been discussed before. Unfortunately I've had to move from Aperature to LR as my primary workflow engine using lots of plugins from Nik (again someone that went away), topaz, On1 and macphun. Each has something the others didn't have. I loved the way Aperture worked, kind of had to put up with how LR worked (lost a lot of catalogs until i understood how they worked). Now with Adobe's decision to I've been looking for a different solution. There are things in LR I hate to lose like lens correction and the automated functions of Transform. I saw the handwriting on the way when Adobe bought out CC and stopped development on LR 6 so I've been looking at a number of products finally narrowing it down to ON1 Raw and Luminar. Both have had some growing pains but On1 Raw is getting there pretty quickly and quite openly. MacPhun is having a lot of issues especially around making the decision to release a PC version with 2018 which is pretty limited. Lots of issues and lots of upset users on their private locked support page in FB. But I feel they are trying and at least for me the standalone version on the Mac is quite a bit improved over 2017. With all that said if Adobe would just price classic only at a reasonable subscription price i would just use them with exports out to the others. However i will not pay $10/month for PS when I wont use it ever.

Its worth taking a look at On1 if you are looking for a DAM and Photo Editor or MacPhun if you are on Mac and dont need a DAM. They are promising a DAM in 2018 but time will tell.
i kind of wish all of these comments were in one t... (show quote)


Aperture 3.6 is still working on High Sierra , I read. It does work on Yosemite I can confirm. Wouldn't photos be good if you could edit the same way as Aperture. It can like ACR is common between Lightroom and Photoshop, Photo's and Aperture use Apples Raw Engine.

RawPower From GentlemenCoders lets you develop in Photos like Aperture. The Price, around 10-15 dollars. If you're unsure check the videos on youtube. The only downside is it requires 10.12 or newer to run.

The lead developer from Aperture wrote RawPower , no one really could know the Apple raw engine better. RawPower runs as an extension to Photos or standalone.

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Nov 20, 2017 19:31:32   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
both aperture and lr 6 are still working but both are eol with no new development or fixes. I can't figure either will be around for long.

I already looked at raw power but have no interest in using Photos as my base product.

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Nov 20, 2017 19:47:41   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Ednsb wrote:
both aperture and lr 6 are still working but both are eol with no new development or fixes. I can't figure either will be around for long.

I already looked at raw power but have no interest in using Photos as my base product.


unlike Lightroom Aperture uses apples raw engine that is still getting updated, what more do you need? bare in mind too that you can store your photo's out side of apertures library so not a bother to use another editor if and when the need arises.

I use lightroom 5.7 and aperture will happily work with my photos where lightroom put them.

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