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Nov 14, 2017 06:45:54   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
Had a clear UV filter for protection.

BINGO!

Get rid of the filter.

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Nov 14, 2017 07:23:46   #
Yankeepapa6 Loc: New York City
 
rjaywallace wrote:
The photos are all dated 2014, three or more years ago. You’re just getting around to asking this question now? I see you are a relatively new member, but it seems logical that you would have contacted the camera manufacturer, the camera retailer, the edit software manufacturer, the sd card manufacturer, etc., to get an answer back then. Were you using a flash? If yes, what speed were you synced for? Not trying to be a wiseguy, just applying a little logic.


It is still a question. Not my place to chastise someone for doing something I might consider important. I'm sure he feels glad he raised this question. Today there is a question raised if Amelia Earhart was eaten by giant Coconut Crabs.

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Nov 14, 2017 07:33:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
Shooting with the same camera 7D MKII and a Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 lens these photos were taken at the same game. Shooting info ISO 6400 70mm & 200mm, f/3.5, 1/800sec. Seems as if it is present when I first start shooting, could it be the cold effecting the camera from when I first start shooting? Don't have the RAW anymore, I dump them after I post the photos. I am not shooting through the glass, shooting from the bench.

Any and all help will be appreciated and thanking all members in advance for your time, effort and knowledge.
Shooting with the same camera 7D MKII and a Canon ... (show quote)


Light is bent going through the "glass" these are the stress patterns the camera is catching of the glass. As the panels are stressed unequally these patterns are formed and picked up. Most likely the "glass" is not float glass we are used to seeing and so is not even. This is a common and simple problem with unequal stressing of "glass" and as light passes through it at certain angles can be seen with the background letting you see it easier.

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Nov 14, 2017 07:34:15   #
AndyT Loc: Hampstead, New Hampshire
 
Fog coming up off the ice?

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Nov 14, 2017 07:53:50   #
Ed Walker Loc: Eclectic, Alabama U.S.A.
 
Do the overhead lights have a mesh-type guard over the light bulb? I have seen these in sports venues, apparently as a protection against glass falling on the playing area. You could be picking up a faint shadow from them.

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Nov 14, 2017 08:02:29   #
ELNikkor
 
Could it be overhead lights at different angles flickering out of synch?

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Nov 14, 2017 08:23:40   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
RAW files take up so much room on the HD. I have an external HD and I would need a truck load for all the photos of hockey and football games that I shoot for.


I concur with Rongo, why would you dump the RAW files but you did give your opinion as to why, however portable HD are cheap these days saving the RAW files is your way back to the working photos, the data is lossless. JPEG is not lossless every time you do something with it it denigrates, But I bet you already know this! Well for what it’s worth better luck next time.

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Nov 14, 2017 08:27:59   #
Szalajj Loc: Salem, NH
 
I'm going to say it again.

Get rid of the filter on the lens.

Shoot another hockey game in the same rink, and see if removing the filter eliminates the grid lines in the close-up shots.

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Nov 14, 2017 08:57:51   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
So why no pincushioning of the face? Or the other patterns inconsistent to pincushioning off to the left of your lines?

This looks like no example of pincushioning I have seen in any lens test. If you have an example, please post the link

It is clearly neither pincushion nor barrel distortion. They are totally different phenomena that distort the image (more so toward the edges and corners) without superimposing a pattern over the entire image the way that moiré does.

It is also unlikely that a clear protective filter has anything to do with the issue. Optical glass is created very carefully to avoid stress during cooling.

Could it be the lens? A at a particular focal length (200 mm) and focus distance, the spacing between the lens elements might create an interference pattern that does not show up at other focal lengths and focus distances. However the second image would rule that out because the pattern is regular and spread evenly over the entire image.

A screw-up in post processing? The OP has not kept the raw files so we might conclude that this is a consequence of careless work. But the fact that the pattern is regular in image 2 and curved in image 1 points to something else.

The difference in sharpness and clarity between the first two images and the third strongly suggest that a transparent medium is between the camera and the subjects in images 1 and 2 but not there in image 3. The fault may be in the OP's memory of whether there was any safety glass in the way for image 1 and 2.

These images are three years old and nobody else can explain what went wrong.

It's really down to the OP doing his own testing to narrow down the issue.

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Nov 14, 2017 08:59:16   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
Shooting with the same camera 7D MKII and a Canon 70-200mm f/2.8 lens these photos were taken at the same game. Shooting info ISO 6400 70mm & 200mm, f/3.5, 1/800sec. Seems as if it is present when I first start shooting, could it be the cold effecting the camera from when I first start shooting? Don't have the RAW anymore, I dump them after I post the photos. I am not shooting through the glass, shooting from the bench.

Any and all help will be appreciated and thanking all members in advance for your time, effort and knowledge.
Shooting with the same camera 7D MKII and a Canon ... (show quote)

With the RAW files gone, it's unlikely this can be figured out unless you can repeat it again. However, someone on DPReview had almost exactly the same thing happen not long ago. The feeling there was the most likely cause to be the distortion-correction part of the processing software -- LR if I remember correctly. Apparently it has, or had, a quick mode that had a bad tendency toward these moire-like bands in high ISO images.

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Nov 14, 2017 09:01:11   #
LouV Loc: Juno Beach, FL
 
It’s great that so many people want to help but, honestly, is it too much to expect that people actually read the post before responding? At the end of the very short first paragraph, the OP says he is not shooting through the glass but from the bench. And he repeats that assertion a few times in the comments. Yet, numerous folks keep telling him it’s cause he’s shooting through the glass.

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Nov 14, 2017 09:10:40   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
As I stated already, not shooting through anything except air. Shooting the game from the players bench. So I would say that your conclusion might be correct but not for me or these shots. Thanks anyhow.
aellman wrote:
The first one is called a moire pattern. Only cause I can think of, as someone else mentioned,
is that you're shooting thru the plastic barrier. That can cause all kinds of distortion. One solution:
get up higher in a bleacher seat so you can shoot over the barrier. The downside, of course, it
that you wan't be at ice level. One other thing you can try as an experiment is to put your lens
right up against the barrier (touching it) and see if this helps. If you're already doing this, try
backing off a little (but not much). Best of luck. >Alan
The first one is called a moire pattern. Only caus... (show quote)

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Nov 14, 2017 09:14:35   #
Japakomom Loc: Originally from the Last Frontier
 
brooklyn-camera I wrote:
As I stated already, not shooting through anything except air. Shooting the game from the players bench. So I would say that your conclusion might be correct but not for me or these shots. Thanks anyhow.


As previously stated. You are shooting through a filter. That is more than just air. Take it off and shoot another game. I bet you will no longer have this problem.

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Nov 14, 2017 09:21:18   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
Not getting picky but it appears as if most of the replies are about shooting through the glass. I was shooting from the players bench and as you know there is no glass at the players bench. so for all with answers about shooting through glass, save your time and effort. Lets see if anyone has a good guess as to what happened. It was only for a few pics and have no reason why? Guess the UHH has no idea either. Thanks for your effort.
selmslie wrote:
It is clearly neither pincushion nor barrel distortion. They are totally different phenomena that distort the image (more so toward the edges and corners) without superimposing a pattern over the entire image the way that moiré does.

It is also unlikely that a clear protective filter has anything to do with the issue. Optical glass is created very carefully to avoid stress during cooling.

Could it be the lens? A at a particular focal length (200 mm) and focus distance, the spacing between the lens elements might create an interference pattern that does not show up at other focal lengths and focus distances. However the second image would rule that out because the pattern is regular and spread evenly over the entire image.

A screw-up in post processing? The OP has not kept the raw files so we might conclude that this is a consequence of careless work. But the fact that the pattern is regular in image 2 and curved in image 1 points to something else.

The difference in sharpness and clarity between the first two images and the third strongly suggest that a transparent medium is between the camera and the subjects in images 1 and 2 but not there in image 3. The fault may be in the OP's memory of whether there was any safety glass in the way for image 1 and 2.

These images are three years old and nobody else can explain what went wrong.

It's really down to the OP doing his own testing to narrow down the issue.
It is clearly neither pincushion nor barrel distor... (show quote)

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Nov 14, 2017 09:24:37   #
brooklyn-camera I Loc: Brooklyn, NY
 
I'll give it a try. Question...why did this occur to only a few photos and not all of them? Out of 1100 photos maybe 20 photos and only at the start of the game. Maybe the camera needs to get acclimated to the cold temp,
could that be a possibility?
Japakomom wrote:
As previously stated. You are shooting through a filter. That is more than just air. Take it off and shoot another game. I bet you will no longer have this problem.

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