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Nov 13, 2017 11:19:05   #
dhowland
 
leftj wrote:
Then you obviously can't comprehend.


okaaay ... you seem nice.

In any case, for those focused on the question at hand: So far the process in Luminar sounds cumbersome. Lightroom just leaves the original RAW files alone, no renaming or copying etc. In Luminar, does it have to be as cumbersome as what people are describing or does it have Lightroom-like functionality? If not, that's a big plus for Lightroom in my book.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:24:00   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
dhowland wrote:
okaaay ... you seem nice.

In any case, for those focused on the question at hand: So far the process in Luminar sounds cumbersome. Lightroom just leaves the original RAW files alone, no renaming or copying etc. In Luminar, does it have to be as cumbersome as what people are describing or does it have Lightroom-like functionality? If not, that's a big plus for Lightroom in my book.


Luminar does not disturb the RAW file. It is always there. You don't have to do any renaming or copying unless you want to.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:25:43   #
John Howard Loc: SW Florida and Blue Ridge Mountains of NC.
 
Mark1948 wrote:
Is Luminar non-destructive?


Yes. Just watched a short video by serge ramenelli

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Nov 13, 2017 11:25:45   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
gkuep1945 wrote:
I don't know of any software which can format a photo into a RAW file. The RAW file is data of the manufacturer's format. No one has the option of saving in that format. Therefore, when you open the RAW file, the software has to convert the data into a photo format in order to display it. Then you can edit it and save it into a photo format type file of your choosing.
That is the basis of being "non-destructive" in that the RAW file is only read and never written by the software.
I don't know of any software which can format a ph... (show quote)


What you say is true, but know that LR gives the option to export to DNG, which is a raw format. You can also use PSD, TIFF and JPG.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:30:05   #
dhowland
 
Mark1948 wrote:
Is Luminar non-destructive?


The answer is yes. Thanks for the question.
https://macphun.com/luminar/compare

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Nov 13, 2017 11:51:26   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Affirmative

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Nov 13, 2017 11:56:42   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Good grief-if you shoot raw it is always non destructive as you cannot change a raws file. You can change the way is is processed, but the underlying file is unchanged. Non-destructive editing is more hype than real.

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Nov 13, 2017 11:57:48   #
Mark1948
 
With a bit more research I found a chart comparing features reporting that like LR, Luminar in non-destructive. Sorry but I did not save the link.

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Nov 13, 2017 12:12:27   #
dhowland
 
CaptainC wrote:
Good grief-if you shoot raw it is always non destructive as you cannot change a raws file. You can change the way is is processed, but the underlying file is unchanged. Non-destructive editing is more hype than real.


Jeez some of you guys are grumpy on this topic, huh?

Please keep in mind that your comments reveal a lack of appreciation of how extremely easy Lightroom and now some of its rivals have made it to retain the original RAW image data, without expending time and effort. Some of us contemplating a switch from Lightroom find this to be an essential aspect of any replacement -- and they're not all necessarily non-destructive in the way we've come to appreciate in Lightroom.

I for one am grateful for the question and (most of) the answers found here.

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Nov 13, 2017 12:20:32   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
CaptainC wrote:
Good grief-if you shoot raw it is always non destructive as you cannot change a raws file. You can change the way is is processed, but the underlying file is unchanged. Non-destructive editing is more hype than real.


To me, non-destructive means you can process a file, and then change the processing after it is saved. I use Photoshop non-destructively by doing everything on layers with masks. I still have the processing I have done, but I can change any aspect of it, and the underlying image remains the same. That is not hype. Going back to the original RAW file and starting over means you lose all the processing you have done.

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Nov 13, 2017 14:27:07   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
To me, non-destructive means you can process a file, and then change the processing after it is saved. I use Photoshop non-destructively by doing everything on layers with masks. I still have the processing I have done, but I can change any aspect of it, and the underlying image remains the same. That is not hype. Going back to the original RAW file and starting over means you lose all the processing you have done.


OH sure. I agree.

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Nov 13, 2017 16:29:50   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
To me, non-destructive means you can process a file, and then change the processing after it is saved. I use Photoshop non-destructively by doing everything on layers with masks. I still have the processing I have done, but I can change any aspect of it, and the underlying image remains the same. That is not hype. Going back to the original RAW file and starting over means you lose all the processing you have done.


John, if I may, let me give my concept of what non-destructive means.

Let's say you have a TIFF file of an image that you really like. Exposure and composition are very good and you want to edit it in PS. So you load the image and you start to work. You make all the changes you want to make, on layers or otherwise, then you click Save. You've just destroyed that original TIFF file. Can't get it back. It's gone.

You have that image with your edits (and that's likely good enough), but this is not an example of non-destructive editing. For me, non-destructive means I ALWAYS have the original image file, giving me opportunity to edit in a different way at some subsequent date.

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Nov 13, 2017 16:43:08   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
brucewells wrote:
John, if I may, let me give my concept of what non-destructive means.

Let's say you have a TIFF file of an image that you really like. Exposure and composition are very good and you want to edit it in PS. So you load the image and you start to work. You make all the changes you want to make, on layers or otherwise, then you click Save. You've just destroyed that original TIFF file. Can't get it back. It's gone.

You have that image with your edits (and that's likely good enough), but this is not an example of non-destructive editing. For me, non-destructive means I ALWAYS have the original image file, giving me opportunity to edit in a different way at some subsequent date.
John, if I may, let me give my concept of what non... (show quote)


If you do all your editing on layers, you still have the original unchanged file as the background layer. If you were to delete all the other layers you would have the exact same file you started with.

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Nov 13, 2017 18:20:20   #
brucewells Loc: Central Kentucky
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
If you do all your editing on layers, you still have the original unchanged file as the background layer. If you were to delete all the other layers you would have the exact same file you started with.


Very well.

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Nov 13, 2017 19:07:47   #
hassighedgehog Loc: Corona, CA
 
I always us "Save As" on edited versions.

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