Major upgrade in camera resolution ahead due to 8K standard.
Nov 7, 2017 04:44:29 #
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution. People think there is no need for more resolution in camera sensors and even if resolution is increased the lenses will be a limiting factor.
But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.
For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.
What do you think about this?
But we have only had a few years now with 4K resolution and TV producers are already starting to make 8K television. And the plan for the Olympic games in Japan in just over 2 years from now is to record and broadcast in 8K.
For those who do not know 8K is about 33 megapixels. So I am guessing that all serious camera manufacturers will offer cameras with 8K and 33 megapixel sensors 2-3 years from now. That means not only in full frame cameras, but also Aps-c, m4/3 and 1" cameras and top of the line cameraphones.
What do you think about this?
Nov 7, 2017 05:12:34 #
I hope this does not necessitate new cameras, TVs, etc., etc. Getting to old for this! Sigh.
Nov 7, 2017 05:30:10 #
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)
My TV is 1080, and that's where I plan to stop. I can't keep buying new ones every time they make a jump in resolution. Does it really matter for sitcoms and documentaries?
Nov 7, 2017 05:31:28 #
revhen wrote:
I hope this does not necessitate new cameras, TVs, etc., etc. Getting to old for this! Sigh.
It certainly necessitates new cameras, TV.. I think I will buy the 8K TV but no I won't upgrade my camera.
Nov 7, 2017 05:32:49 #
We all can't wait to have outdated equipment. Who can afford to keep buying this crap???
Nov 7, 2017 05:37:38 #
Nov 7, 2017 06:05:43 #
jerryc41 wrote:
My TV is 1080, and that's where I plan to stop. I can't keep buying new ones every time they make a jump in resolution. Does it really matter for sitcoms and documentaries?
I'm still on 625 lines. Just as soon as Mrs N. and I can agree on a piece of furniture an upgrade will be near instant. But no sign of getting close to an agreement yet.
Nov 7, 2017 06:12:34 #
They can't keep shrinking the pixels in order to fit more on the sensor. There are only negatives associated with that. Camera shake is more evident with smaller pixels. Focusing errors are more evident. Diffraction becomes evident sooner when stopping down the aperture. The signal to noise ratio decreases.
Nikon has already stopped at 24 megapixels with their DX format cameras. The latest two DX cameras have actually come down to 20 megapixels.
Nikon has already stopped at 24 megapixels with their DX format cameras. The latest two DX cameras have actually come down to 20 megapixels.
Nov 7, 2017 07:02:12 #
There could be some great deals on “outdated” gear for those who use their cameras to take pictures.
Nov 7, 2017 07:06:36 #
CO wrote:
They can't keep shrinking the pixels in order to fit more on the sensor. There are only negatives associated with that. Camera shake is more evident with smaller pixels. Focusing errors are more evident. Diffraction becomes evident sooner when stopping down the aperture. The signal to noise ratio decreases.
Nikon has already stopped at 24 megapixels with their DX format cameras. The latest two DX cameras have actually come down to 20 megapixels.
Nikon has already stopped at 24 megapixels with their DX format cameras. The latest two DX cameras have actually come down to 20 megapixels.
I do not know if they have stopped at 24 megapixels. I know that is the were they are right now. Samsung on the other hand had 28 megapixel Aps-c camera and that camera is actually excellent. But no longer produced.
On the other hand Nikon included 8K time lapse in the new D850. That may be an indicatior that they will be looking more at 8K capabilities for their coming camera generations.
Nov 7, 2017 08:34:23 #
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)
I agree with most of the others and I think KGOldWolf makes a good point.
I think all this stuff is mostly, if not all, a sales gimmick. The cameras and televisions that give good results now won't all of a sudden stop working. There will always be some who "just have to have" the latest and greatest, you can see them waiting in line overnight in the cold to buy Apples most recent iPhone. But I stopped chasing after the most recent whatever just because it's the most recent a long time ago. That doesn't mean I'll never buy another camera or television again, but it won't be because it has has the latest flash bang gadget.
Nov 7, 2017 08:35:05 #
KGOldWolf wrote:
At what point does the technology exceed our ability to perceive a difference?
Nov 7, 2017 09:14:42 #
JPL wrote:
There is a lot of discussion here about resolution... (show quote)
Both RED & ARRI, and I think even Black Magic, have made 8K cameras for awhile now. I even saw a 12K TV on display at the Samsung booth at CES. The Nikon D850 is the first full frame DSLR to do 4K video using the full sensor rather than a cropped portion of it. And it will do 8K stop motion time lapse video.
The future keeps coming at us every day. As someone once said, "You ain't seen nothing yet baby!"
Nov 7, 2017 10:07:30 #
As a kid in the 50's I thought a 12" B&W screen with a fuzzy picture in a console the size of a VW was beyond compare. All I can say now is: Keep bringing it! I may not go out and buy the latest and greatest right away, but I like knowing it will be there if I want it. Hooray for constantly improving technology!
Nov 7, 2017 10:29:44 #
A couple years ago I shifted to 4K shooting for two reasons. 1) The video clips have enough in them allowing more PP. 2) Images, and even prints, from 4K video frames are very useful.
It was not until a few months ago that I bought a 4K TV when the prices dropped. Watching network stuff is better than a 10 year old 1080 TV but only marginally better than a 5 year old 1080 TV.
The real reason for a 4K TV is for content I make. Viewing my own 4K travel videos and JPEG slide shows (sized to 4K) are worth the upgrade. The newest TVs make it really easy to put your work on memory sticks that plug directly into the TV.
Will I shift to 8K? Yes, when it becomes as easy to use as 4K. That could take more time than I have! It will be years before the support pieces from internet bandwidth, memory cards and processors get to the "easy" and "affordable" level.
It was not until a few months ago that I bought a 4K TV when the prices dropped. Watching network stuff is better than a 10 year old 1080 TV but only marginally better than a 5 year old 1080 TV.
The real reason for a 4K TV is for content I make. Viewing my own 4K travel videos and JPEG slide shows (sized to 4K) are worth the upgrade. The newest TVs make it really easy to put your work on memory sticks that plug directly into the TV.
Will I shift to 8K? Yes, when it becomes as easy to use as 4K. That could take more time than I have! It will be years before the support pieces from internet bandwidth, memory cards and processors get to the "easy" and "affordable" level.
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