Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
What Am I Doing Wrong?
Page <prev 2 of 11 next> last>>
Oct 27, 2017 07:16:52   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
MikWar wrote:
I enjoy taking pictures of birds so not long ago I splurged and bought the Canon 100-400 L II lens for my Canon T3. I've taken several hundred shots with the new lens and about 5 of them have been crisp and sharp. Normally when birding I hand-hold so I understand that there will be some camera shake for a lens that heavy. Today I used a tripod and got similar results - not sharp. My camera was set up with AI Focus and 800 ISO. I turned off the Stabilizer on the lens and set the focal length to Full. Below are some of the results (no PP). Note that I typically crop bird pics at least 50% but I swear that doing so with my 55-250mm lens got better results. When cropping (and to a lesser extent on these uncropped) I notice vertical branches in the background appear ghosted - that is two parallel unfocused lines instead of one unfocused line. Please let me know what I can do to get crisper pics. Thanks
I enjoy taking pictures of birds so not long ago I... (show quote)


You have good gear, so take your time and practice.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 07:27:38   #
foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
Get your camera OFF of AI focus!!!! Use AI Servo!!!! and learn how to use BBF (back button focus) and put your lens on #3 IS......set focus point at either spot or center expansion. Check out your manual for this. I have the 7D II and the 100-400 II, I use AI Servo ALL the time. NOBODY uses AI focus.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:15:03   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
AI Focus is not good, use AI Servo and set up Back Button Focus if you have not. Learn to use BBF.
Use a single focus point.
I try to shoot at 1/2000 shutter speed if hand holding at 400mm. I usually use Tv mode for sports shooting. If you don't stop the motion the DOF doesn't matter in my view. Get a DOF calculator app for your phone and play with it to understand what DOF you will get at various apertures, focal lengths and distances. You may be surprised how small the DOF can be at 400mm at f/4 or f/5.6 even.
You will need to determine how high an ISO your camera can tolerate and set that in the menu system as an upper limit if you use auto ISO.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Reply
 
 
Oct 27, 2017 08:35:19   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Are you spot metering


I use one (center) focus point and partial metering.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:36:27   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Stability or lens issue.

.


All images shown were taken on a tripod. How do I determine if it is a lens issue?

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:38:28   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
imagemeister wrote:
Your subject is way too small and shrouded in an AF confusing fog of branches, leaves and weeds ! If you have a "protective filter, take it off. Do a focus test and calibration ! - on an unshrouded subject - oops, no fo-cal on a T3 - but you still need to TEST and send to Canon if need be. Use the focus center spot ONLY. Your expectations and technique are out of whack !

Finally, hand holding at 250mm is MUCH easier than at 400mm ! The ONLY time I recommend hand holding @400mm is for BIF.
Your subject is way too small and shrouded in an A... (show quote)


How do I perform a test? All these images were taken on a tripod.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:39:36   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
Manglesphoto wrote:
Use a tripod, get closer and use single point focus.


I was using a tripod and a single focus point for all pictures shown. Don't have much choice about distance to subject when photographing birds.

Reply
 
 
Oct 27, 2017 08:41:39   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
TriX wrote:
Turn the IS (stabilizer) back on and shoot at 1/1000 or 1/500 and see if your results are better. The EXIF data on your last shot shows 1/80 sec which is WAY too slow, especially with no IS. And forget AI Focus mode - use AI Servo instead.


I'll give it a try but I'll have to let the ISO jump up above 800 and use a small aperture to get those speeds in the areas I shoot (not bright sunlight all the time).

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:44:55   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
robertjerl wrote:
1. too far away - I too had to learn a long lens didn't mean that I could be in the next county
2. shutter speed way too slow (1/100 on the first pic), you need a minimum of 1/400 and better yet even faster
3. a lot of camera movement so for hand held use at least 1/800 SS and off a good solid vibration free tripod at least 1/400 or 1/640
4. IS should be turned off only on the tripod or at SS above about 1/500 or higher
5. never use AI Focus, the little bitty processor is trying to decide between One Shot and AI Servo so the shutter often clicks
while it is focusing. Most high end cameras don't even have AI Focus as a choice, more than a few I know are wondering
why Canon put it on the 7DII. Set the camera for the shutter to not fire unless exposure is locked. At least for the first shot in a burst. It will slow things down or even keep the shutter from firing but it is better than a shot taken while the lens is focusing.
6. open that shutter up to f/8.0, f/7.1 or even f/5.6.

My usual setup for birds is 1/1000 SS, f/8.0 and ISO on auto. In shade or poor light or slow birds I will drop the SS to 1/640 or so. I will open the f-stop to f/5.6. For fast birds (like hummers or BIF) I go up to as fast as 1/2000 and open the f-stop to the max. I have my ISO limited to either 3200 or 6400 depending on which body I am using. Knowing I will need to use noise reducing software unless the light was real good. (Yes fast birds/SS and an f-stop for great depth of field will drive even sunlite shots to high ISOs.

Either my 6D with the 100-400L mk II or my 7DII with the 100-400L mk II (sometimes with the 1.4x III extender).
1. too far away - I too had to learn a long lens ... (show quote)


So use AI Servo or One-shot? I'll try using higher SS.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:46:30   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
sb wrote:
Are you shooting from a car? Is the engine on? There is a lot of vibration. If so, turn the engine off! If not, try taking some photographs with a tripod and a cable release to stop all motion (turn of image stabilizer when on the tripod). It could be that the lens needs to be "tuned" to the camera, but it is probably other factors.


Shot on the ground on a tripod.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:48:22   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
billnikon wrote:
You are shooting into two much crap. Isolate, isolate, isolate. Your camera is finding a lot of things to focus on except the bird.


I use the center focus point. My old 55-250mm lens seemed to do a better job than this new, fancy, expensive lens when shooting into a tangle of branches. Surely this lens can do better?

Reply
 
 
Oct 27, 2017 08:49:43   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
cmc65 wrote:
In addition to the advice already mentioned it would be good to review your manual for the lens with re to the three stabilizer settings on the lens itself. I find that 2 works well and sometimes 3 but have no luck on 1 when shooting wildlife.


These were taken on a tripod and the advice by Canon and others is to turn off IS.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:51:13   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
jerryc41 wrote:
You have good gear, so take your time and practice.


I have been but I guess I need to try different settings each time out.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:52:33   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
foathog wrote:
Get your camera OFF of AI focus!!!! Use AI Servo!!!! and learn how to use BBF (back button focus) and put your lens on #3 IS......set focus point at either spot or center expansion. Check out your manual for this. I have the 7D II and the 100-400 II, I use AI Servo ALL the time. NOBODY uses AI focus.


No BBF on a T3 but I'll try a set with AI Servo. Thanks for the suggestion.

Reply
Oct 27, 2017 08:53:47   #
MikWar Loc: Chicago, Western Suburbs
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
AI Focus is not good, use AI Servo and set up Back Button Focus if you have not. Learn to use BBF.
Use a single focus point.
I try to shoot at 1/2000 shutter speed if hand holding at 400mm. I usually use Tv mode for sports shooting. If you don't stop the motion the DOF doesn't matter in my view. Get a DOF calculator app for your phone and play with it to understand what DOF you will get at various apertures, focal lengths and distances. You may be surprised how small the DOF can be at 400mm at f/4 or f/5.6 even.
You will need to determine how high an ISO your camera can tolerate and set that in the menu system as an upper limit if you use auto ISO.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
AI Focus is not good, use AI Servo and set up Back... (show quote)


I'll give it a try. thanks.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 11 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.