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Oct 24, 2017 13:57:12   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
After reading all 10 pages of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that while some sensor sizes may be better or worse than others, there are no bad ones, and the one that works for “you” is the best one for your use. (Uou—generically speaking) Not everyone is a professional, not everyone wants to enter photos in a contest, not everyone wants to make wall-size prints. Some are content to view their photos on a computer screen or load them onto an electronic photo album. In the end, while there are (obvious) technical differences in performance among the several sensor sizes, size matters only if you need more than what you already have. We are all aware of the advantages of full frame over smaller sensors, but not everyone needs, or even cares about full frame. People tend to like what they have, and tend to recommend it to others who may be looking for something other than what they already have. I’m glad there are brand loyalists out there, as I am glad that there those who are not. Makes the world go around. And if you don’t like what your current rig is, then it’s probably time to move on to something else that will satisfy your needs. Remember, for most of us non-professionals, we are looking to please ourselves, and perhaps family and friends, and that is the important thing, IMHO.

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Oct 24, 2017 14:27:44   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
digit-up wrote:
cute, But typical of YOU!! extry RUDE!! put a southern tang on it.. EXTRY!


So do you know what else is rude? Your avatar. I don’t personally appreciate looking at an adult advertising a very dangerous drug. It may be legal, none the less it is a very potent and deadly drug.

Typical of YOU!

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Oct 24, 2017 14:47:21   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
tdekany wrote:
So do you know what else is rude? Your avatar. I don’t personally appreciate looking at an adult advertising a very dangerous drug. It may be legal, none the less it is a very potent and deadly drug.

Typical of YOU!


TD - time to laugh and make up - I think he drinks root-beer!

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Oct 24, 2017 16:50:55   #
le boecere
 
CatMarley wrote:
Don't use it. Since getting the Fuji, I usually shoot Jpeg. The jpegs from the Fujis are usually so beautiful they don't need anything but a little brightening or a bit of contrast. Ask any Fuji user, they will tell you the same. My old Photoimpact software is capable of everything I want to do.


Cat, for me, the in-camera raw conversion feature just makes shooting JPEG that much more fun, especially if I'm going to use the image(s) immediately.

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Oct 24, 2017 22:04:37   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Delderby wrote:
TD - time to laugh and make up - I think he drinks root-beer!


I’ve called him a snapshot shooter once I think and doesn’t like me for it. I’m pretty sure he drinks real alcohol.

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Oct 24, 2017 22:10:31   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Wingpilot wrote:
After reading all 10 pages of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that while some sensor sizes may be better or worse than others, there are no bad ones, and the one that works for “you” is the best one for your use. (Uou—generically speaking) Not everyone is a professional, not everyone wants to enter photos in a contest, not everyone wants to make wall-size prints. Some are content to view their photos on a computer screen or load them onto an electronic photo album. In the end, while there are (obvious) technical differences in performance among the several sensor sizes, size matters only if you need more than what you already have. We are all aware of the advantages of full frame over smaller sensors, but not everyone needs, or even cares about full frame. People tend to like what they have, and tend to recommend it to others who may be looking for something other than what they already have. I’m glad there are brand loyalists out there, as I am glad that there those who are not. Makes the world go around. And if you don’t like what your current rig is, then it’s probably time to move on to something else that will satisfy your needs. Remember, for most of us non-professionals, we are looking to please ourselves, and perhaps family and friends, and that is the important thing, IMHO.
After reading all 10 pages of this thread, I have ... (show quote)


If the op is a photographer, meaning that he has various interests that 1 lens can’t take care of, aging and has pain, the only choice is the M4/3 “system”. I wrote system. He could also get an A7rII and the 24-70 f4 zoom and use that one lens. He can zoom in further by extreme cropping. But as a whole system, m4/3 is the winner if one is looking for a lighter system. The lenses will be larger with larger sensors. Personally, as long as the OP finds something that he is happy with, I’m happy. I could care less what format it is. It’s his money.

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Oct 24, 2017 22:38:57   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
tdekany wrote:
If the op is a photographer, meaning that he has various interests that 1 lens can’t take care of, aging and has pain, the only choice is the M4/3 “system”. I wrote system. He could also get an A7rII and the 24-70 f4 zoom and use that one lens. He can zoom in further by extreme cropping. But as a whole system, m4/3 is the winner if one is looking for a lighter system. The lenses will be larger with larger sensors. Personally, as long as the OP finds something that he is happy with, I’m happy. I could care less what format it is. It’s his money.
If the op is a photographer, meaning that he has v... (show quote)


I'm totally in love with my M43 kit for travel, and I'm waiting for a M43 company to offer a BSI sensor. I will snap that up in an New York second.

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Oct 25, 2017 01:51:06   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
tdekany wrote:
If the op is a photographer, meaning that he has various interests that 1 lens can’t take care of, aging and has pain, the only choice is the M4/3 “system”. I wrote system. He could also get an A7rII and the 24-70 f4 zoom and use that one lens. He can zoom in further by extreme cropping. But as a whole system, m4/3 is the winner if one is looking for a lighter system. The lenses will be larger with larger sensors. Personally, as long as the OP finds something that he is happy with, I’m happy. I could care less what format it is. It’s his money.
If the op is a photographer, meaning that he has v... (show quote)


If I ever sell my DSLR stuff, I’ll likely be looking at M43, and in particular, the OMD-EM10ii. There’s no way I can afford the EM1ii at $2K for just the body, and I haven’t heard enough about the version 1 to buy that. It seems the EM-10ii is well thought of, at least from all the reviews I’ve read on it. My lenses of choice would be the 14-40 kit lens and the 40-150 zoom. I understand that it’s a very good lense, even though it’s a relative cheapie. Works for my budget, anyway.

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Oct 25, 2017 02:00:46   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
Wingpilot wrote:
If I ever sell my DSLR stuff, I’ll likely be looking at M43, and in particular, the OMD-EM10ii. There’s no way I can afford the EM1ii at $2K for just the body, and I haven’t heard enough about the version 1 to buy that. It seems the EM-10ii is well thought of, at least from all the reviews I’ve read on it. My lenses of choice would be the 14-40 kit lens and the 40-150 zoom. I understand that it’s a very good lense, even though it’s a relative cheapie. Works for my budget, anyway.


You can get an EM1 lightly used for about $500. Same for the EM5 mark2. Both of those are much better cameras than the em10 mark2. Unless you need the hi res mode, the EM1 is the best of them all. Much faster operation, faster autofocus, better grip etc...

As far as the lens choices, it is true that a high quality lens provides much better results.

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Oct 25, 2017 03:05:34   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Wingpilot wrote:
If I ever sell my DSLR stuff, I’ll likely be looking at M43, and in particular, the OMD-EM10ii. There’s no way I can afford the EM1ii at $2K for just the body, and I haven’t heard enough about the version 1 to buy that. It seems the EM-10ii is well thought of, at least from all the reviews I’ve read on it. My lenses of choice would be the 14-40 kit lens and the 40-150 zoom. I understand that it’s a very good lense, even though it’s a relative cheapie. Works for my budget, anyway.


Actually, E-M10 markIII just came out and it is a lot more camera for the buck. They kept the price approximately the same. I even believe it is now shipping but I am not 100% certain. The only reason I tend to not recommend the E-M10 mrII or mrIII is that it is not splashproof. One cannot go out in the wind, dust, rain, and snow with no reguard to the elements. The E-M10s requires rain gear. For me and my traveling, I need splashproof. When I am so soaked that my underwear is totally soaked and my feet are swimming in the water in my shoes, my camera is still taking pictures in the rain while most of the other cameras are hiding. No camera rain gear, but the splashproof Olympus keeps right on shooting. Even clean up of the camera is a damp washcloth per Olympus. Most of us E-M1 and E-M5 owners prefer to clean it up under a slow running faucet and then towel dry.

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Oct 25, 2017 04:39:12   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
wdross wrote:
Actually, E-M10 markIII just came out and it is a lot more camera for the buck. They kept the price approximately the same. I even believe it is now shipping but I am not 100% certain. The only reason I tend to not recommend the E-M10 mrII or mrIII is that it is not splashproof. One cannot go out in the wind, dust, rain, and snow with no reguard to the elements. The E-M10s requires rain gear. For me and my traveling, I need splashproof. When I am so soaked that my underwear is totally soaked and my feet are swimming in the water in my shoes, my camera is still taking pictures in the rain while most of the other cameras are hiding. No camera rain gear, but the splashproof Olympus keeps right on shooting. Even clean up of the camera is a damp washcloth per Olympus. Most of us E-M1 and E-M5 owners prefer to clean it up under a slow running faucet and then towel dry.
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I am amazed at your description of just how "weatherproof" your camera is. That is great.

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Oct 25, 2017 05:15:57   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Delderby wrote:
I am amazed at your description of just how "weatherproof" your camera is. That is great.


I was extremely hesitant at first, but the information was available as to how splashproof the camera was. Now my camera has looked like many of the Olympus ads showing the cameras and lenses covered with water drops. It actually is for real and really is amazing. With an Olympus E-M1 mrII or E-M5 mrII, the only problem with rain is how to remove it from the front element to shoot.

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Oct 25, 2017 05:37:06   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
Wow...I go away on a work trip with not checking in on you guys and gals for a couple of days...and I miss all the debating fun.

Late to the party here...
Both Fuji and m4/3 are great...hard to go wrong with either, assuming you’re looking at their latest camera offerings.
IQ wise, the advantage goes to Fuji (but not as much as one would think).
Size and weight wise, the edge goes to m4/3.
It’s a fine balance, and if possible go hold each.

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Oct 26, 2017 08:08:38   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Wow...I go away on a work trip with not checking in on you guys and gals for a couple of days...and I miss all the debating fun.

Late to the party here...
Both Fuji and m4/3 are great...hard to go wrong with either, assuming you’re looking at their latest camera offerings.
IQ wise, the advantage goes to Fuji (but not as much as one would think).
Size and weight wise, the edge goes to m4/3.
It’s a fine balance, and if possible go hold each.


Me, too. To the OP: Sony is best for me. Lenses always make things heavier, but with a lighter body, it is easier.
I use a6500 with on Op/tech camera strap, and a moderately sized 18-105, and it's much lighter and easy to carry for hours. IQ is fine for me, but the old canon was just too much. I tried Oly, but, oh, those menus!
Have fun. If you can, get your hands on various cameras to check the heft. There is a difference.

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Oct 26, 2017 10:32:44   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Toment wrote:
Me, too. To the OP: Sony is best for me. Lenses always make things heavier, but with a lighter body, it is easier.
I use a6500 with on Op/tech camera strap, and a moderately sized 18-105, and it's much lighter and easy to carry for hours. IQ is fine for me, but the old canon was just too much. I tried Oly, but, oh, those menus!
Have fun. If you can, get your hands on various cameras to check the heft. There is a difference.


Hi Tom - how do you find the IQ of your 6x zoom? My zoom range limit has always been 3x for decent IQ. In your opinion are my parameters not relevant now?

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