Amateur or Beginning Photographers: Upgrade Or Not? (Page 2): I should have been clearer about the image quality....specific to noise not #mp. ...d3100 and d850 in good light will...

crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada

tdekany wrote:

First of all, I’m all for the best, but when I see IQ mentioned as a reason, well if you take snapshots, your pictures will still be snapshots. How many people do prints and print big? All one needs to do is search the web to see what can be done with something like the D3100 in the hands of a talented photographer. There is too much emphasis on gear, not enough on improving our skills. M2c

I should have been clearer about the image quality....specific to noise not #mp.
...d3100 and d850 in good light will show very little differentiation on a 4x6 print...try the same photo at iso12800...the "snapshots" will be noticeably different on a 4x6 print.

If money is not an object, then d850 :-)

repleo Loc: Boston

twiceeagles wrote:

There is a place for the anti-gun political garbage on UHH. If you hit the all section and go to the Chit-Chat area, there is a place for non camera discussion. There is at least one of us who doesn't like to hear a bunch of liberal crapola.

All gun talk - anti or pro - belongs in the Chit-Chat area, not the Main Photography Discussion. Political intolerance belongs in the Attic.

Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA

As one other poster said here, a camera and a lens are tools. Professionals buy the tools they need for the job. A plumber doesn't need a belt sander. A roofer doesn't need a router. The way I look at it you should buy the tools to do the job you are undertaking. No professional owns every tool, they own the tools that pertain to their specialty. If you are a beginner you should wait until you have a specific need that your tools don't accomplish before buying new tools. If a $100 bridge camera does everything you need it to do, then it's silly to upgrade. If you find the bridge camera doesn't deliver satisfactory quality on what you are trying to shoot, then find the camera/lens that will do the job. Better equipment won't make a beginner a better photographer. The time for better equipment is when your existing equipment is not adequate to serve your needs and skills as a photographer. An analogy is music. A $10,000 telecaster in a beginner's hands won't sound any different than a $500 telecaster. It won't turn a beginner into Keith Richards. It takes a Keith Richards to make the $10,000 guitar sound better than the $500 one.

Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.

twiceeagles wrote:

There is a place for the anti-gun political garbage on UHH. If you hit the all section and go to the Chit-Chat area, there is a place for non camera discussion. There is at least one of us who doesn't like to hear a bunch of liberal crapola.

Yes, and there are plenty who don't want any kind of pro or anti political or non photography discussion in the main photography discussion area. It was the OP that started the problem that you should be castigating.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

crazydaddio wrote:

I should have been clearer about the image quality....specific to noise not #mp.
...d3100 and d850 in good light will show very little differentiation on a 4x6 print...try the same photo at iso12800...the "snapshots" will be noticeably different on a 4x6 print.

If money is not an object, then d850 :-)

If one is concerned about noise, the clear choice is the Sony A7sII, not any of the Nikon cameras.

crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada

tdekany wrote:

If one is concerned about noise, the clear choice is the Sony A7sII, not any of the Nikon cameras.

I was extending the OP's reference and was not referencing other brands for that reason.....
however you may be correct if you extend to other brands in the same price range...although you may get some Sony fanboys backs up....

(They are pretty much a dead heat when it comes to Noise according to Tony Northrup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTHAnfMWAHQ )

tdekany Loc: Oregon

crazydaddio wrote:

I was extending the OP's reference and was not referencing other brands for that reason.....
however you may be correct if you extend to other brands in the same price range...although you may get some Sony fanboys backs up....

(They are pretty much a dead heat when it comes to Noise according to Tony Northrup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTHAnfMWAHQ )

This video is comparing the A7rII

Google the A7SII. No camera comes anywhere close to the high iso performance of this camera.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

Here you can compare the ISO performance of the D850 with the Sony A7sII

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

crazydaddio Loc: Toronto Ontario Canada

tdekany wrote:

Here you can compare the ISO performance of the D850 with the Sony A7sII

http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

Ah. S vs r.
Need to adjust my glasses.

tdekany Loc: Oregon

crazydaddio wrote:

Ah. S vs r.
Need to adjust my glasses.

Can be pretty confusing

tdekany Loc: Oregon

See if this works

https://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM

duffy021049 Loc: Colorado

twiceeagles wrote:

There is a place for the anti-gun political garbage on UHH. If you hit the all section and go to the Chit-Chat area, there is a place for non camera discussion. There is at least one of us who doesn't like to hear a bunch of liberal crapola.

bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.

upgrading only really makes sense when, you have the need or knowledge to make use of those new features and abilities.

lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA

tdekany wrote:

First of all, I’m all for the best, but when I see IQ mentioned as a reason, well if you take snapshots, your pictures will still be snapshots. How many people do prints and print big? All one needs to do is search the web to see what can be done with something like the D3100 in the hands of a talented photographer. There is too much emphasis on gear, not enough on improving our skills. M2c

jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida

Does the D850 have full auto? In others words, if the “green” auto setting like a D7200 has an option on the D850?

I like the button settings on the D500 which I think is similar on the D850. No “green” full automyiotion. But lots of custom settings...

crazydaddio wrote:

Better IQ on the 850 (regardless of your photography experience.) If money is not a factor, set it on AUTO and take highest quality photos available in a DSLR.

(And you dont need someone else to help you learn. Youtube videos, websites and pbotography blogs can take you a long way if you are dedicated. A course or a tutor will get you there faster for sure but it is not the only way.)