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Jun 29, 2012 13:22:39   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
Edmund Dworakowski wrote:
For a sharp photo, use a shutter speed 2X the focal lenth of your lens. @ 300mm, start at 1/500 - 1/1000sec. Just a rule of thumb, but it works just fine.


This is the only suggestion you have here that is valid. You do not have an image OOF . . . but an image with camera movement. Unless you were on a tripod, it is next to impossible to hold a 300mm lens movement free at 1/200th of a second.

Forget about the focus issue, shoot at minimum 1/500th second, F/5.6 and an ISO to get the proper exposure.

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Jun 29, 2012 15:21:23   #
marcomarks Loc: Ft. Myers, FL
 
ckcougar wrote:
I took about 20 shots of this pair and could not get them both in focus at the same time. At times I got neither in focus. What am I doing wrong or is it me? Settings as follows: f/5.6 1/200 iso 400


Try a smaller aperture than f/5.6, such as f/11, to have a deeper depth of field.

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Jun 29, 2012 15:38:35   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Weddingguy wrote:
Edmund Dworakowski wrote:
For a sharp photo, use a shutter speed 2X the focal lenth of your lens. @ 300mm, start at 1/500 - 1/1000sec. Just a rule of thumb, but it works just fine.


This is the only suggestion you have here that is valid. You do not have an image OOF . . . but an image with camera movement. Unless you were on a tripod, it is next to impossible to hold a 300mm lens movement free at 1/200th of a second.

Forget about the focus issue, shoot at minimum 1/500th second, F/5.6 and an ISO to get the proper exposure.
quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a sharp photo, use a... (show quote)

Not arguing with the higher speed recommendation, but camera movement is not the problem. The bill of the rear bird is clearly much more sharply focused than the front bird. f/5.6 is probably wide open on that lens at 300 mm. A higher f/stop such as f/8 or f/11 would certainly improve the results.

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Jun 29, 2012 15:52:09   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
RMM wrote:
Weddingguy wrote:
Edmund Dworakowski wrote:
For a sharp photo, use a shutter speed 2X the focal lenth of your lens. @ 300mm, start at 1/500 - 1/1000sec. Just a rule of thumb, but it works just fine.


This is the only suggestion you have here that is valid. You do not have an image OOF . . . but an image with camera movement. Unless you were on a tripod, it is next to impossible to hold a 300mm lens movement free at 1/200th of a second.

Forget about the focus issue, shoot at minimum 1/500th second, F/5.6 and an ISO to get the proper exposure.
quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a sharp photo, use a... (show quote)

Not arguing with the higher speed recommendation, but camera movement is not the problem. The bill of the rear bird is clearly much more sharply focused than the front bird. f/5.6 is probably wide open on that lens at 300 mm. A higher f/stop such as f/8 or f/11 would certainly improve the results.
quote=Weddingguy quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a ... (show quote)


I agree that the bill on the rear bird is definitely "more" in focus . . . but not in sharp focus. Whatever the autofocus focused on should be tack sharp . . . not just "more" in focus. To me it looks like a combination of both problems combined, but there is some camera movement involved. Shallow DOF is also very evident and a smaller F/stop is definitely in order.

In order to shoot this with the suggested 1/500th of a second, and the suggested F/8 (both good suggestions) he would have to use 3200 ISO to get the same exposure as his F/5.6 @ 1/200th using 400 ISO.

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Jun 29, 2012 15:59:57   #
Edmund Dworakowski
 
I agree with Wedding Guy, I is BOTH.
The birds are on a different focal plane requirig a highr f stop and there is camera movement needing an increase in shutter speed. A little tripod wouldn't hurt either.

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Jun 29, 2012 16:04:31   #
Mytherwyn Loc: United States
 
RMM wrote:
Weddingguy wrote:
Edmund Dworakowski wrote:
For a sharp photo, use a shutter speed 2X the focal lenth of your lens. @ 300mm, start at 1/500 - 1/1000sec. Just a rule of thumb, but it works just fine.


This is the only suggestion you have here that is valid. You do not have an image OOF . . . but an image with camera movement. Unless you were on a tripod, it is next to impossible to hold a 300mm lens movement free at 1/200th of a second.

Forget about the focus issue, shoot at minimum 1/500th second, F/5.6 and an ISO to get the proper exposure.
quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a sharp photo, use a... (show quote)

Not arguing with the higher speed recommendation, but camera movement is not the problem. The bill of the rear bird is clearly much more sharply focused than the front bird. f/5.6 is probably wide open on that lens at 300 mm. A higher f/stop such as f/8 or f/11 would certainly improve the results.
quote=Weddingguy quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a ... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jun 29, 2012 16:05:23   #
Mytherwyn Loc: United States
 
Weddingguy wrote:
RMM wrote:
Weddingguy wrote:
Edmund Dworakowski wrote:
For a sharp photo, use a shutter speed 2X the focal lenth of your lens. @ 300mm, start at 1/500 - 1/1000sec. Just a rule of thumb, but it works just fine.


This is the only suggestion you have here that is valid. You do not have an image OOF . . . but an image with camera movement. Unless you were on a tripod, it is next to impossible to hold a 300mm lens movement free at 1/200th of a second.

Forget about the focus issue, shoot at minimum 1/500th second, F/5.6 and an ISO to get the proper exposure.
quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a sharp photo, use a... (show quote)

Not arguing with the higher speed recommendation, but camera movement is not the problem. The bill of the rear bird is clearly much more sharply focused than the front bird. f/5.6 is probably wide open on that lens at 300 mm. A higher f/stop such as f/8 or f/11 would certainly improve the results.
quote=Weddingguy quote=Edmund Dworakowski For a ... (show quote)


I agree that the bill on the rear bird is definitely "more" in focus . . . but not in sharp focus. Whatever the autofocus focused on should be tack sharp . . . not just "more" in focus. To me it looks like a combination of both problems combined, but there is some camera movement involved. Shallow DOF is also very evident and a smaller F/stop is definitely in order.

In order to shoot this with the suggested 1/500th of a second, and the suggested F/8 (both good suggestions) he would have to use 3200 ISO to get the same exposure as his F/5.6 @ 1/200th using 400 ISO.
quote=RMM quote=Weddingguy quote=Edmund Dworako... (show quote)


:thumbup:

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Jun 29, 2012 16:09:06   #
Edmund Dworakowski
 
Our job is done here, Let's go for a beer !

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Jun 29, 2012 16:23:09   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
Edmund Dworakowski wrote:
Our job is done here, Let's go for a beer !


I'll buy the first round :thumbup:

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Jun 29, 2012 16:38:01   #
mafadecay Loc: Wales UK
 
ckcougar wrote:
snowbear wrote:
ckcougar wrote:
snowbear wrote:
Try f/11, 1/125, ISO 200.


Writing that in camera notepad to try tomorrow. Thank you Snowbear.


I'm sorry - I miscalculated. Keep the ISO at 400 and try something like f/8 and 1/125 (one stop smaller aperture and about 2/3 stop slower.) It looks like your shot is also a bit overexposed, so 1-2/3 stop should be OK.

You could also use Aperture Priority (Av or A) and set it for f/8 or f/11 and see.


Corrected my notes, thanks. I had already fixed the exposure on other shots as I am trying to learn all the manual stuff, Just got stuck on focus. Again my thanks.
quote=snowbear quote=ckcougar quote=snowbear Tr... (show quote)


looks like you are going to need to purchase some new kit to go inside your camera bag...

Tip-ex correction fluid for your notebook. Actually I wouldn't let that stuff get anywhere near my gear. Write in pencil with eraser on the other end. Doubles up to clean lens contacts with also.

Joking apart, Personally I would shoot aperture priority starting about F/8 and use exposure compo from there. Centre focus point and focus lock on eye then recompose. Would go in at ISO 200 also to start.

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Jun 29, 2012 17:04:43   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Weddingguy wrote:
I agree that the bill on the rear bird is definitely "more" in focus . . . but not in sharp focus. Whatever the autofocus focused on should be tack sharp . . . not just "more" in focus. To me it looks like a combination of both problems combined, but there is some camera movement involved. Shallow DOF is also very evident and a smaller F/stop is definitely in order.

In order to shoot this with the suggested 1/500th of a second, and the suggested F/8 (both good suggestions) he would have to use 3200 ISO to get the same exposure as his F/5.6 @ 1/200th using 400 ISO.
I agree that the bill on the rear bird is definite... (show quote)

I downloaded it and took a close look in Photoshop. You're right, there is a bit of movement, enough to make the photo less than tack sharp. But depth of field is the more pronounced problem.

I don't know what ISO 3200 would do on his camera (not familiar with it). More experimentation might be in order. If ISO 3200 introduces too much noise, then going to a lower ISO and a lower shutter speed might give him the results he wants.

Notebook. Pencil. Back to the drawing board.

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Jun 29, 2012 18:23:59   #
Weddingguy Loc: British Columbia - Canada
 
RMM wrote:
Weddingguy wrote:
I agree that the bill on the rear bird is definitely "more" in focus . . . but not in sharp focus. Whatever the autofocus focused on should be tack sharp . . . not just "more" in focus. To me it looks like a combination of both problems combined, but there is some camera movement involved. Shallow DOF is also very evident and a smaller F/stop is definitely in order.

In order to shoot this with the suggested 1/500th of a second, and the suggested F/8 (both good suggestions) he would have to use 3200 ISO to get the same exposure as his F/5.6 @ 1/200th using 400 ISO.
I agree that the bill on the rear bird is definite... (show quote)

I downloaded it and took a close look in Photoshop. You're right, there is a bit of movement, enough to make the photo less than tack sharp. But depth of field is the more pronounced problem.

I don't know what ISO 3200 would do on his camera (not familiar with it). More experimentation might be in order. If ISO 3200 introduces too much noise, then going to a lower ISO and a lower shutter speed might give him the results he wants.

Notebook. Pencil. Back to the drawing board.
quote=Weddingguy I agree that the bill on the rea... (show quote)


Agreed . . but the next best answer would be a tripod me thinks.

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Jun 29, 2012 19:00:01   #
SnapHappy Loc: SW Florida
 
rocar7 wrote:
Lots of good advice so far, just one observation - those are really ugly birds! What are they? And surely there are better looking birds in Florida! :XD:


Since I have nothing to add for the OP, I thought I'd answer your question. Those beasts are Wood Storks. And yes, there are certainly plenty of prettier birds to shoot in FL but these critters sort of grow on us. They have a unique type of "beauty". Or maybe the intense FL sun has simply melted our brains and warped our vision.....??!! :shock:

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Jun 29, 2012 21:41:07   #
RMM Loc: Suburban New York
 
Weddingguy wrote:
Agreed . . but the next best answer would be a tripod me thinks.

Me agrees.

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Jun 30, 2012 05:49:30   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
SnapHappy wrote:
rocar7 wrote:
Lots of good advice so far, just one observation - those are really ugly birds! What are they? And surely there are better looking birds in Florida! :XD:


Since I have nothing to add for the OP, I thought I'd answer your question. Those beasts are Wood Storks. And yes, there are certainly plenty of prettier birds to shoot in FL but these critters sort of grow on us. They have a unique type of "beauty". Or maybe the intense FL sun has simply melted our brains and warped our vision.....??!! :shock:
quote=rocar7 Lots of good advice so far, just one... (show quote)


In their own way they are an interesting bird and wonderful to photograph in flight

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