How long does it take?
Sep 24, 2017 10:02:40 #
Attached are two images of my favourite watering hole, the much-loved ROYAL OAK, in Stokenchurch (U.K. HP14 - in case anyone's visiting). I'll take a shot of this every time I pass if I have a camera to hand but due to the profusion of modern paraphernalia such as overhead utilities feeds, TV aerials, Solar panels etc I just can't get what I want.
So I finally resorted to photoshopping (CANON DPP really) to get a more rural image.
It took me forever, but whilst I'm pleased with the result I could never make a living doing it. I'm inviting hoggers to have a go themselves and time it, or to suggest a time they'd be happy with to accomplish same. I'm a bit embarrassed to list my time at the moment but I might add it later, but it would be safe to say to remove everything as you see it in image 2 took me a long long time.
So I finally resorted to photoshopping (CANON DPP really) to get a more rural image.
It took me forever, but whilst I'm pleased with the result I could never make a living doing it. I'm inviting hoggers to have a go themselves and time it, or to suggest a time they'd be happy with to accomplish same. I'm a bit embarrassed to list my time at the moment but I might add it later, but it would be safe to say to remove everything as you see it in image 2 took me a long long time.
Sep 24, 2017 10:14:24 #
Image two is missing John.
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It's just appeared.
For me I think 30-40 minutes should do it. The solar panels on the roof and replacing with tiles would probably be the most difficult as there isn't too much roof to clone from.
Edit
It's just appeared.
For me I think 30-40 minutes should do it. The solar panels on the roof and replacing with tiles would probably be the most difficult as there isn't too much roof to clone from.
Sep 24, 2017 10:23:53 #
I for one think you did a fine job regardless of the time spent. You have no need to be embarrassed for listing your name.
Sep 24, 2017 10:30:15 #
Linary
Loc: UK
So far, 10 minutes just doing the chimney.
Let us see your work to date then we have a target.
Let us see your work to date then we have a target.
Sep 24, 2017 10:43:01 #
It took me forever, but whilst I'm pleased with the result I could never make a living doing it. I'm inviting hoggers to have a go themselves and time it, or to suggest a time they'd be happy with to accomplish same. I'm a bit embarrassed to list my time at the moment but I might add it later, but it would be safe to say to remove everything as you see it in image 2 took me a long long time.[/quote]
John,
I can't tell "it took forever" ...., all I can see is a very professional job. Nicely done. If I were the proprietor, I'd have this framed and hang it on the wall as well as offering you an extra pint, or 2.
John,
I can't tell "it took forever" ...., all I can see is a very professional job. Nicely done. If I were the proprietor, I'd have this framed and hang it on the wall as well as offering you an extra pint, or 2.
Sep 24, 2017 11:07:22 #
LR is much more efficient at cloning / healing and cropping than DPP will ever be ...
Sep 24, 2017 11:55:42 #
Wonderfully done! By the way, what do the words "free house" signify? Free house wine perhaps?
Sep 24, 2017 12:29:29 #
Cables, aerials, solar panels, car parts..... it might be easier just to find a new pub. If the landlord doesn't give you free beer for life he's a miser 
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.Sep 24, 2017 12:32:30 #
tinplater wrote:
..By the way, what do the words "free house" signify?....
It refers to a pub that isn't owned or run by a particular brewery (as many pubs in the UK are).
Sep 25, 2017 03:47:30 #
Some useful information here. I've done something similar before with a pair of cottages but posted this because I hadn't got any quicker.
See http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-394918-1.html and relevant notes.
I reckon I spent in excess of 5 hrs. doing this (a break here and there included) but might be a little less. Some of the advice is obvious now but wasn't at the time. The solar panels on the roof I did as two operations, removing the panels then restoring the tiles, whereas doing it as one operation (as suggested by Jolly Rodger) through cloning a tile row would undoubtedly have been quicker.
I started in CANON DPP as I find this very easy to use for quick adjustments before I post on a Community Facebook page. Realising what I had started I continued on the same path. I do use PSE 10, but I'm loathed to get Lightroom as I don't find self-teaching easy, and on-screen even more so. Perhaps I need to see if there's a local snapper outside of the clubs that can offer me some tuition, or possibly go to a twin screen setup (which helped a little at work with CBT).
To expand on R.G's. answer; Pubs used to be owned by the brewer and he would sell his own beer there and maybe a few spirits. As breweries took each other over they acquired the pubs and when they got mega we got a poor quality beer of 1 marque only sold in a pub. You could go to another pub, owned by a different brewer, but generally, beer was much of a muchness - dire! A minority of places fell outside of this 'arrangement' such as Hotels and Inns and they were Free houses. They were free to sell whatever beer they could get the best deal for, or that their regular clientele liked. These days we have pub chains (Pubmaster, for example) which let to an independent tenant. They're supposed to be independent of the breweries but the breweries might have a significant shareholding, though I've no back up of this. However, the situation has improved considerably.
So a Free House can sell whatever it likes, and the Royal OAK sells Rebellion brews, a local brewery about the size of a large American Craft brewery. They also have Fullers 'London Pride' and I like both as do all of the regulars who don't take Guinness or Lagers as their tipple. Hope I've not bored you with a little bit of history as I understand it.
http://www.rebellionbeer.co.uk/ Check out the brewery. If you are here sometime, p.m. me, maybe we'll squeeze a pint or two in. It's a cheap price to pay for such good advice.
See http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-394918-1.html and relevant notes.
I reckon I spent in excess of 5 hrs. doing this (a break here and there included) but might be a little less. Some of the advice is obvious now but wasn't at the time. The solar panels on the roof I did as two operations, removing the panels then restoring the tiles, whereas doing it as one operation (as suggested by Jolly Rodger) through cloning a tile row would undoubtedly have been quicker.
I started in CANON DPP as I find this very easy to use for quick adjustments before I post on a Community Facebook page. Realising what I had started I continued on the same path. I do use PSE 10, but I'm loathed to get Lightroom as I don't find self-teaching easy, and on-screen even more so. Perhaps I need to see if there's a local snapper outside of the clubs that can offer me some tuition, or possibly go to a twin screen setup (which helped a little at work with CBT).
To expand on R.G's. answer; Pubs used to be owned by the brewer and he would sell his own beer there and maybe a few spirits. As breweries took each other over they acquired the pubs and when they got mega we got a poor quality beer of 1 marque only sold in a pub. You could go to another pub, owned by a different brewer, but generally, beer was much of a muchness - dire! A minority of places fell outside of this 'arrangement' such as Hotels and Inns and they were Free houses. They were free to sell whatever beer they could get the best deal for, or that their regular clientele liked. These days we have pub chains (Pubmaster, for example) which let to an independent tenant. They're supposed to be independent of the breweries but the breweries might have a significant shareholding, though I've no back up of this. However, the situation has improved considerably.
So a Free House can sell whatever it likes, and the Royal OAK sells Rebellion brews, a local brewery about the size of a large American Craft brewery. They also have Fullers 'London Pride' and I like both as do all of the regulars who don't take Guinness or Lagers as their tipple. Hope I've not bored you with a little bit of history as I understand it.
http://www.rebellionbeer.co.uk/ Check out the brewery. If you are here sometime, p.m. me, maybe we'll squeeze a pint or two in. It's a cheap price to pay for such good advice.
Sep 25, 2017 05:43:50 #
John - 5 hrs? Some of your lines being removed look a little complex, so let's say that would be 5 minutes total using LR. Those in the sky could be done in a minute or less... The solar panel I'd probably leave, although I've seen some excellent examples from PS where content is "created" to then fill-in and replace. The examples I've seen of that type of processing too is about a 5-minute effort, in the hands of an expert.
I started with DPP and was a slow convert over to Lightroom. I still begin my RAW conversions from DPP for exposure adjustments and noise processing. But, adjustments to content are all done in LR with a very very rare venture into PSE which I find must too complex in the learning scale to my own needs. Looking again at what's been cloned out, I would have left the solar panel due to the complexity and everything else would been done in less that 5 minutes, total, from RAW processing in DPP thru LR import and cloning-out all the lines, car and antenna.
Regarding self-training, have you watched u-tube videos. There's a ton of free content. Granted, you need to search and begin to judge who / what is useful, but the content is virtually limitless. I've found for some complex how-to steps, you can pause and rewind over and over until the detailed step makes sense and you can recreate yourself on your computer. That was probably more when I was first getting started and was unfamiliar with the tool.
I started with DPP and was a slow convert over to Lightroom. I still begin my RAW conversions from DPP for exposure adjustments and noise processing. But, adjustments to content are all done in LR with a very very rare venture into PSE which I find must too complex in the learning scale to my own needs. Looking again at what's been cloned out, I would have left the solar panel due to the complexity and everything else would been done in less that 5 minutes, total, from RAW processing in DPP thru LR import and cloning-out all the lines, car and antenna.
Regarding self-training, have you watched u-tube videos. There's a ton of free content. Granted, you need to search and begin to judge who / what is useful, but the content is virtually limitless. I've found for some complex how-to steps, you can pause and rewind over and over until the detailed step makes sense and you can recreate yourself on your computer. That was probably more when I was first getting started and was unfamiliar with the tool.
Sep 25, 2017 07:39:16 #
I downloaded your photo and gave it a try . I used PS CC 2017 , wacom pen and tablet . 45 minutes to remove everything I could see that you removed and a very few tiny things that I didn't think looked as good . I did not crop your photo . I worked on the full size and left it that way . I had all the wires , antennas , etc removed in about 7 or 8 minutes . Rebuilding the shingles took longer , removing the car , less then a minute . Looking slowly over every inch of your finished photo to make sure I removed everything you removed , took a little time . Hoping I didn't miss anything . I have been using PS for many years along with a wacom tablet and doing this kinda stuff for a long time you get quicker over time . I'm not sure how long it took you to compare . No way am I trying judge your results against mine . I just tried it as you requested . You did a very nice job . Tommy
I just saw something I missed and will repost after fixing it .Tommy
Item fixed , and reposted .Tommy
I just saw something I missed and will repost after fixing it .Tommy
Item fixed , and reposted .Tommy
Sep 25, 2017 07:54:18 #
You have done an excellent job John, I can understand why it to ages to get rid of all those wires, aerials, solar panels etc. It was worth it though.
Sep 25, 2017 12:53:36 #
There are some minor details there Tommy, but they are not obvious until you download and hit the + button. And they are nit-picky. I've looked at this 2 nights a week for quite a few years so I've a bit of experience with this particular scene.
There is a cable running through trees to top right, the chimneys look like they could use a bit more work, (removal of aerial bracketing etc.), but cloning the roof looks good. Like I said, that level of detail is getting a bit anal, but if I do the occasional job for my niece's web building site that's what her clients will expect.
You've done what I asked so I'm not complaining. Several commentators think around 40-45 minutes would be sufficient, so I've got some work to do and some pointers to go on.
Thanks.
There is a cable running through trees to top right, the chimneys look like they could use a bit more work, (removal of aerial bracketing etc.), but cloning the roof looks good. Like I said, that level of detail is getting a bit anal, but if I do the occasional job for my niece's web building site that's what her clients will expect.
You've done what I asked so I'm not complaining. Several commentators think around 40-45 minutes would be sufficient, so I've got some work to do and some pointers to go on.
Thanks.
Sep 25, 2017 18:17:37 #
Either way both are nice pics. Would probably take me days to make any changes
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