Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Nikon D500 Lens Package
Page <<first <prev 4 of 4
Sep 19, 2017 07:14:07   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Get the 16-80mm. It is the better lens and costs more.

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 08:07:24   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I am not a lawyer, but I have played one in negotiations before. I quess you could go to small claims court. If, you get a SCC judgement in your favor isn't it still up to you to figure out how to collect on the judgement or am I mistaken.

Also, it seems to me that the OP accepted the change to the deliverable and agreed to it. So, would the seller be at fault in the eyes of the court? Seems to me the contract was changed and the change agreed to buy the OP. Is ignorance of the switch being a "bad deal" the fault of the seller. I am not sure the seller forced the change but rather offered it. But it could be a bait and switch I guess.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

kb6kgx wrote:
I am not a legal professional, either, although I do have a law degree (JD). What you are suggesting is right on point. And that is, that the “victim”, here, “relied upon” the advice of the seller, who held themselves out as “experts”. It may not be “fraud”, exactly as fraud includes the element of “intent to defraud”, which may not be the case here. For there to be fraud, the seller had to have intentionally switched out the correct lens with the replacement lens — for whatever reason — figuring that the customer would not know or care. It’s a matter of whether or not there was “full disclosure”. If the seller said, “We don’t have the 16-80, but we have the 16-85, which will work just as well for you”, fine, no problem, but there should have been a price adjustment or some other similar compensation.

This was also a “contract”, of sorts. If “fraud” was involved, the aggrieved party has the right to rescind the contract. Return the product(s) and receive a full refund. If “fraud” was NOT the case, here, the seller should be given the opportunity to “cure”, or to make good on the “contract”.
I am not a legal professional, either, although I ... (show quote)

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 08:17:02   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
I thought state law determined the return period and terms that the retailer had to follow as a minimum. At least that is what I recalled from my time working in retail in high school. We had a 30 day return policy but only in exchange for a due bill, no cash refunds had to be given if the shop chose not to do it. That POed some customers but it was a law to protect small business owners.

Of course the other issue is that how much time, money and effort would it take to fight this issue with the seller. Most people just look at it and say it is not worth the trouble to fight for a couple hundred dollars. The same problem we have today with small crimes. The police don't pursue them and they are basically allowed to go on by society. Another tax on We the People.

Best,
Todd Ferguson


kb6kgx wrote:
Yes, most sellers have a specified return period. However, if I recall correctly from my “Contracts” class, if fraud can be proven, that limit does not apply. It could be five years later, and if you could prove that the seller intentionally defrauded you, you could still recover.

Reply
 
 
Sep 19, 2017 08:45:53   #
StanRP Loc: Ontario Canada
 
jimpitt wrote:
I purchased a package deal a few months ago a Nikon D500 and supposedly with a Nikkor 16-80 2.8 Zoom. The store "packaged" for the the 16-85 3.5 zoom because they were out of stock on the correct lens advertised by Nikon. They insisted the lens was just as good. Charged the same price. Are they correct, or just blowing me off.
I am not a professional photographer ... just like good stuff.
Appreciate any thoughts.


it is NOT as good. The 16-80mm that comes with the D500 is one of the best DX zooms Nikon has made.

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 08:57:14   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
jimpitt wrote:
I purchased a package deal a few months ago a Nikon D500 and supposedly with a Nikkor 16-80 2.8 Zoom. The store "packaged" for the the 16-85 3.5 zoom because they were out of stock on the correct lens advertised by Nikon. They insisted the lens was just as good. Charged the same price. Are they correct, or just blowing me off.
I am not a professional photographer ... just like good stuff.
Appreciate any thoughts.


You got fleeced, and they did it on purpose. When you purchase the D500 as a "kit", the camera body and the lens come in the same box.

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 11:01:54   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
Bait and Switch!

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 11:25:57   #
jimpitt
 
The body had a box and paperwork; the lens had nothng.

Reply
 
 
Sep 19, 2017 11:30:31   #
Festus Loc: North Dakota
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I am not a lawyer, but I have played one in negotiations before. I quess you could go to small claims court. If, you get a SCC judgement in your favor isn't it still up to you to figure out how to collect on the judgement or am I mistaken.

Also, it seems to me that the OP accepted the change to the deliverable and agreed to it. So, would the seller be at fault in the eyes of the court? Seems to me the contract was changed and the change agreed to buy the OP. Is ignorance of the switch being a "bad deal" the fault of the seller. I am not sure the seller forced the change but rather offered it. But it could be a bait and switch I guess.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
I am not a lawyer, but I have played one in negoti... (show quote)


According to the poster: "They insisted the lens was just as good." That is deception, because there is no comparison between the two lenses! The buyer was deceived, the seller is a crook!

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 11:54:28   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I am not a lawyer, but I have played one in negotiations before. I quess you could go to small claims court. If, you get a SCC judgement in your favor isn't it still up to you to figure out how to collect on the judgement or am I mistaken.

Also, it seems to me that the OP accepted the change to the deliverable and agreed to it. So, would the seller be at fault in the eyes of the court? Seems to me the contract was changed and the change agreed to buy the OP. Is ignorance of the switch being a "bad deal" the fault of the seller. I am not sure the seller forced the change but rather offered it. But it could be a bait and switch I guess.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
I am not a lawyer, but I have played one in negoti... (show quote)


The OP agreed to the change because of the seller's fraudulent misrepresentation. If that is proved, the court would void the contract.

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 11:57:29   #
bpulv Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
I thought state law determined the return period and terms that the retailer had to follow as a minimum. At least that is what I recalled from my time working in retail in high school. We had a 30 day return policy but only in exchange for a due bill, no cash refunds had to be given if the shop chose not to do it. That POed some customers but it was a law to protect small business owners.

Of course the other issue is that how much time, money and effort would it take to fight this issue with the seller. Most people just look at it and say it is not worth the trouble to fight for a couple hundred dollars. The same problem we have today with small crimes. The police don't pursue them and they are basically allowed to go on by society. Another tax on We the People.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
I thought state law determined the return period a... (show quote)


It all depends on the state. In any case, if you can prove fraud or fraudulent intent, the judge would probably wave the return policy.

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 12:21:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
bpulv wrote:
It all depends on the state. In any case, if you can prove fraud or fraudulent intent, the judge would probably wave the return policy.


This situation definitely needs contact with Nikon. If it was an authorized dealer, Nikon wouldn't like that swapping of "just as good as."

Reply
 
 
Sep 19, 2017 12:49:42   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
If it was an authorized dealer, Nikon wouldn't like that swapping of "just as good as."


Jerry, the reality in the mail order world is that somewhere on the supply chain, there is an "authorized dealer" who commits to massive product purchase to get the best price point. In the Japanese Corporate world, they are called "Master Distributors." They then proceed to sell to every bottom feeder they can find with available cash who then is free to rip consumers off right and left.

Nikon won't care, since all they really want is to ship pallet loads of bodies and lenses, etc to re-sellers.

Living in Los Angeles, I can say that I only buy from reputable local dealers where I can walk in and kick the tires before purchasing. It took me a really long time before I could even trust B&H Camera for mail order, and then only for accessories.

Reply
Sep 19, 2017 17:16:27   #
reindeer Loc: London U.K.
 
Return the 16-85 f3.5-5.6 or ask for a price differential refund. They are trying to pull a fast one.

Reply
Sep 20, 2017 11:40:59   #
international architect Loc: Venice FL
 
yuz done been had!

Reply
Page <<first <prev 4 of 4
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.