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Trump’s tax-reform pitch is entirely divorced from reality
Sep 5, 2017 12:58:42   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. Republicans just can't face reality that more money for the rich doesn't help anyone, except the rich.

Having failed in their attempt to strip millions of health insurance by repealing Obamacare, President Trump and the Republican Congress are moving to their biggest priority: tax cuts for corporations and the rich. The plan is still being written, but Trump has already begun his push for it. And every part of the administration’s tax pitch is divorced from reality (a gentle way of saying it is a lie and a fraud).

The stated rationale for cutting corporate taxes, for example, is laughable. Republicans rail about our corporations paying the highest tax rates in the world. If the corporations have more cash, they assert, they will invest and create jobs. Trump adds his twist that lower taxes will get corporations to stop moving jobs abroad and start building things in the United States.

This is nonsense. U.S. corporations don’t pay the highest rates in the world. While the nominal top rate is 35 percent, the Government Accountability Office found that profitable large corporations paid on average an effective tax rate of 14 percent from 2008 to 2012. The tax code is rigged to ensure that result. Revenue from corporate taxes have plummeted from about 3.7 percent of gross domestic product in the late 1960s to an average of 1.5 percent in recent years.

Corporations aren’t short of cash, nor will they use the tax breaks for new investments. Corporate profits hit new highs last year, and the S&P 500 corporations are devoting a record percentage of their earnings to buy back stocks, pay dividends and buy up competitors. They are boosting stock prices — and chief executives’ bonuses — not long-term growth or job creation.

Nor, contrary to Trump, are corporations shipping jobs abroad because of U.S. tax burden. They are moving abroad to take advantage of cheap labor and weak environmental and consumer protections that make production cheaper. Many use transfer pricing and a range of accounting tricks to dodge taxes by reporting profits abroad. Trump argues we should allow them to bring the money home at a very low rate, but the money is already available for investments at home. If the companies get the low rate, their tax scam will have worked. They’ll use the money — as they did the last time the government tried to allow repatriation — primarily to buy back stock and boost dividends, pumping up executive bonuses. And then even more will rush to repeat the scam in the future.

President Trump unveiled his tax plan on April 26, after months of pledging to make drastic changes to the tax code. The Post's Damian Paletta explains why tax reform is so complicated. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
To test the Republican argument that lower tax rates will create jobs, the Institute for Policy Studies looked at the job record of profitable companies that paid a tax rate of 20 percent or less from 2008 through 2015. Those businesses actually were net losers of jobs.

Even Trump’s stated goal — tax reform that is revenue neutral — is a put-on. Republicans are interested in lowering tax rates on corporations and the rich; they are far less interested in tax reforms that will close loopholes to pay for the lower rates. This isn’t a strategy for tax reform; it’s a full-employment program for corporate lobbyists. Every loophole has a special interest mobilizing to defend it. Every tax dodge has a deep pocket to hire lawyers to justify it. Republican candidates may benefit from the bidding war that ensues, but the public surely will not.

Even the Republican bill-making process is perverse. Trump says he wants Democratic support, but there are no discussions with Democrats toward drafting a bipartisan bill. Democrats will be invited to sign on or shut up. The plan is to pass the bill as part of a budget reconciliation process that needs only Republican votes to pass.

This is the epitome of modern conservative governance. A perverse goal. A perilous process. Trump and Republicans want to slash government spending and reduce government capacity. By wasting weeks in trying to achieve something that will do nothing to address the real challenges we face, they will contribute to their real goal — to discredit government as an instrument of national purpose. Except this country is no longer so strong nor the middle class so robust as to afford this self-laceration.

There are sensible tax reforms that could be passed. Raise rates on the rich and use the money to fund a massive rebuilding of America’s infrastructure, starting with accelerating the move to renewable energy. That would create jobs, reduce inequality, invest in research and new technology, help capture a lead in growing global markets and begin to address climate change. Tax income from investments at the same rate as income from work. Require global corporations to pay taxes at the same rates as domestic companies by ending deferral. Tax financial speculation to raise revenue and at least slow the destabilizing financial casino.

These and other common-sense ideas would raise revenue and support badly needed public investments that would create real jobs and growth while not fueling greater inequality. It won’t surprise you that none of them are on the table in the back room where Republicans are struggling to come up with a tax plan.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, there may be no words in the English language more scary than “a Republican president and Congress announce it is time for tax reform.”

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Sep 5, 2017 13:11:37   #
hj Loc: Florida
 
Greymule.... I don't even read a post when it begins with this kind of dialogue because I know it is from a slanted liberal/left. "Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. Republicans just can't face realit..."

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Sep 5, 2017 14:11:42   #
greymule Loc: Colorado
 
hj wrote:
Greymule.... I don't even read a post when it begins with this kind of dialogue because I know it is from a slanted liberal/left. "Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. Republicans just can't face realit..."


I guess that's entirely up to you, isn't it?

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Sep 5, 2017 15:23:08   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
the corps enjoy the lowest taxes around, the new jobs they should foster are no where to be found. the extra moneys seems to get lost in hidden accounts.

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Sep 5, 2017 18:12:02   #
Leica User Loc: Western North Carolina
 
greymule wrote:
Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. Republicans just can't face reality that more money for the rich doesn't help anyone, except the rich.

Having failed in their attempt to strip millions of health insurance by repealing Obamacare, President Trump and the Republican Congress are moving to their biggest priority: tax cuts for corporations and the rich. The plan is still being written, but Trump has already begun his push for it. And every part of the administration’s tax pitch is divorced from reality (a gentle way of saying it is a lie and a fraud).

The stated rationale for cutting corporate taxes, for example, is laughable. Republicans rail about our corporations paying the highest tax rates in the world. If the corporations have more cash, they assert, they will invest and create jobs. Trump adds his twist that lower taxes will get corporations to stop moving jobs abroad and start building things in the United States.

This is nonsense. U.S. corporations don’t pay the highest rates in the world. While the nominal top rate is 35 percent, the Government Accountability Office found that profitable large corporations paid on average an effective tax rate of 14 percent from 2008 to 2012. The tax code is rigged to ensure that result. Revenue from corporate taxes have plummeted from about 3.7 percent of gross domestic product in the late 1960s to an average of 1.5 percent in recent years.

Corporations aren’t short of cash, nor will they use the tax breaks for new investments. Corporate profits hit new highs last year, and the S&P 500 corporations are devoting a record percentage of their earnings to buy back stocks, pay dividends and buy up competitors. They are boosting stock prices — and chief executives’ bonuses — not long-term growth or job creation.

Nor, contrary to Trump, are corporations shipping jobs abroad because of U.S. tax burden. They are moving abroad to take advantage of cheap labor and weak environmental and consumer protections that make production cheaper. Many use transfer pricing and a range of accounting tricks to dodge taxes by reporting profits abroad. Trump argues we should allow them to bring the money home at a very low rate, but the money is already available for investments at home. If the companies get the low rate, their tax scam will have worked. They’ll use the money — as they did the last time the government tried to allow repatriation — primarily to buy back stock and boost dividends, pumping up executive bonuses. And then even more will rush to repeat the scam in the future.

President Trump unveiled his tax plan on April 26, after months of pledging to make drastic changes to the tax code. The Post's Damian Paletta explains why tax reform is so complicated. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
To test the Republican argument that lower tax rates will create jobs, the Institute for Policy Studies looked at the job record of profitable companies that paid a tax rate of 20 percent or less from 2008 through 2015. Those businesses actually were net losers of jobs.

Even Trump’s stated goal — tax reform that is revenue neutral — is a put-on. Republicans are interested in lowering tax rates on corporations and the rich; they are far less interested in tax reforms that will close loopholes to pay for the lower rates. This isn’t a strategy for tax reform; it’s a full-employment program for corporate lobbyists. Every loophole has a special interest mobilizing to defend it. Every tax dodge has a deep pocket to hire lawyers to justify it. Republican candidates may benefit from the bidding war that ensues, but the public surely will not.

Even the Republican bill-making process is perverse. Trump says he wants Democratic support, but there are no discussions with Democrats toward drafting a bipartisan bill. Democrats will be invited to sign on or shut up. The plan is to pass the bill as part of a budget reconciliation process that needs only Republican votes to pass.

This is the epitome of modern conservative governance. A perverse goal. A perilous process. Trump and Republicans want to slash government spending and reduce government capacity. By wasting weeks in trying to achieve something that will do nothing to address the real challenges we face, they will contribute to their real goal — to discredit government as an instrument of national purpose. Except this country is no longer so strong nor the middle class so robust as to afford this self-laceration.

There are sensible tax reforms that could be passed. Raise rates on the rich and use the money to fund a massive rebuilding of America’s infrastructure, starting with accelerating the move to renewable energy. That would create jobs, reduce inequality, invest in research and new technology, help capture a lead in growing global markets and begin to address climate change. Tax income from investments at the same rate as income from work. Require global corporations to pay taxes at the same rates as domestic companies by ending deferral. Tax financial speculation to raise revenue and at least slow the destabilizing financial casino.

These and other common-sense ideas would raise revenue and support badly needed public investments that would create real jobs and growth while not fueling greater inequality. It won’t surprise you that none of them are on the table in the back room where Republicans are struggling to come up with a tax plan.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, there may be no words in the English language more scary than “a Republican president and Congress announce it is time for tax reform.”
Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. R... (show quote)


Ran across a photo of your mom Greymule, she is in the pokey again. Hell, Greymule, she looks like your wife. No wonder you are insane. LOL

Greymule's Mom In The Pokey Again
Greymule's Mom In The Pokey Again...

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Sep 6, 2017 05:25:16   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
Leica User wrote:
Ran across a photo of your mom Greymule, she is in the pokey again. Hell, Greymule, she looks like your wife. No wonder you are insane. LOL



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Sep 6, 2017 06:26:41   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
hj wrote:
Greymule.... I don't even read a post when it begins with this kind of dialogue because I know it is from a slanted liberal/left. "Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. Republicans just can't face realit..."


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Sep 6, 2017 15:18:54   #
bull drink water Loc: pontiac mi.
 
I googled the real tax rates paid by the corps, and 14 percent is the low end. why is there any question that the corps get the major tax breaks? why do we start insulting each other when we disagree?

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Sep 6, 2017 18:31:33   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Lets take a look at recent history. 2 democrats lowered taxes--Kennedy and clinton- and it resulted in increases revenue to the irs, as w.ell as economic increases. Reagan lowered taxes and the same thing happened, Obama had tax rebates as well as an attempt to increase the economy. 3 democrat presidents saw the benefits of lower taxes. But when Trump wants to do the same thing he is evil.

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Sep 7, 2017 08:47:21   #
green Loc: 22.1749611,-159.646704,20
 
boberic wrote:
Lets take a look at recent history. 2 democrats lowered taxes--Kennedy and clinton- and it resulted in increases revenue to the irs, as w.ell as economic increases. Reagan lowered taxes and the same thing happened, Obama had tax rebates as well as an attempt to increase the economy. 3 democrat presidents saw the benefits of lower taxes. But when Trump wants to do the same thing he is evil.
you post things that are completely wrong... then I will prove you wrong and you disappear.

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Sep 7, 2017 10:29:44   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
greymule wrote:
I guess that's entirely up to you, isn't it?


Any Bama Brown Shirter who uses Keith Obernazi as a lead in to his extreme alt-left line of BS has nothing but vile hate for the real Americans found on these pages.
Get over it old man, your posts deserve to be printed on toilet paper.

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Sep 7, 2017 10:30:37   #
Checkmate Loc: Southern California
 
green wrote:
you post things that are completely wrong... then I will prove you wrong and you disappear.


Try proving you are right for the first time.

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Sep 7, 2017 18:34:25   #
Scruffy Loc: North Ridgeville
 
I thought your analysis was well thought out. I'm a retiree and consider myself a progressive. I believe the true meaning of "tax reform" will be divulged by the number of "across the aisle" legislators who are invited by the Republicans to actually help in any "honest" attempt at tax reform. I'm allfor simplifying the tax code by closing countless numbers of loopholes; However, you are right on in naming the ways corporations duck and evade. Let's see how far this effort really gets. My guess is that "the swamp" will erode the efforts.

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Sep 7, 2017 19:54:11   #
ejrmaine Loc: South Carolina
 
greymule wrote:
Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. Republicans just can't face reality that more money for the rich doesn't help anyone, except the rich.

Having failed in their attempt to strip millions of health insurance by repealing Obamacare, President Trump and the Republican Congress are moving to their biggest priority: tax cuts for corporations and the rich. The plan is still being written, but Trump has already begun his push for it. And every part of the administration’s tax pitch is divorced from reality (a gentle way of saying it is a lie and a fraud).

The stated rationale for cutting corporate taxes, for example, is laughable. Republicans rail about our corporations paying the highest tax rates in the world. If the corporations have more cash, they assert, they will invest and create jobs. Trump adds his twist that lower taxes will get corporations to stop moving jobs abroad and start building things in the United States.

This is nonsense. U.S. corporations don’t pay the highest rates in the world. While the nominal top rate is 35 percent, the Government Accountability Office found that profitable large corporations paid on average an effective tax rate of 14 percent from 2008 to 2012. The tax code is rigged to ensure that result. Revenue from corporate taxes have plummeted from about 3.7 percent of gross domestic product in the late 1960s to an average of 1.5 percent in recent years.

Corporations aren’t short of cash, nor will they use the tax breaks for new investments. Corporate profits hit new highs last year, and the S&P 500 corporations are devoting a record percentage of their earnings to buy back stocks, pay dividends and buy up competitors. They are boosting stock prices — and chief executives’ bonuses — not long-term growth or job creation.

Nor, contrary to Trump, are corporations shipping jobs abroad because of U.S. tax burden. They are moving abroad to take advantage of cheap labor and weak environmental and consumer protections that make production cheaper. Many use transfer pricing and a range of accounting tricks to dodge taxes by reporting profits abroad. Trump argues we should allow them to bring the money home at a very low rate, but the money is already available for investments at home. If the companies get the low rate, their tax scam will have worked. They’ll use the money — as they did the last time the government tried to allow repatriation — primarily to buy back stock and boost dividends, pumping up executive bonuses. And then even more will rush to repeat the scam in the future.

President Trump unveiled his tax plan on April 26, after months of pledging to make drastic changes to the tax code. The Post's Damian Paletta explains why tax reform is so complicated. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
To test the Republican argument that lower tax rates will create jobs, the Institute for Policy Studies looked at the job record of profitable companies that paid a tax rate of 20 percent or less from 2008 through 2015. Those businesses actually were net losers of jobs.

Even Trump’s stated goal — tax reform that is revenue neutral — is a put-on. Republicans are interested in lowering tax rates on corporations and the rich; they are far less interested in tax reforms that will close loopholes to pay for the lower rates. This isn’t a strategy for tax reform; it’s a full-employment program for corporate lobbyists. Every loophole has a special interest mobilizing to defend it. Every tax dodge has a deep pocket to hire lawyers to justify it. Republican candidates may benefit from the bidding war that ensues, but the public surely will not.

Even the Republican bill-making process is perverse. Trump says he wants Democratic support, but there are no discussions with Democrats toward drafting a bipartisan bill. Democrats will be invited to sign on or shut up. The plan is to pass the bill as part of a budget reconciliation process that needs only Republican votes to pass.

This is the epitome of modern conservative governance. A perverse goal. A perilous process. Trump and Republicans want to slash government spending and reduce government capacity. By wasting weeks in trying to achieve something that will do nothing to address the real challenges we face, they will contribute to their real goal — to discredit government as an instrument of national purpose. Except this country is no longer so strong nor the middle class so robust as to afford this self-laceration.

There are sensible tax reforms that could be passed. Raise rates on the rich and use the money to fund a massive rebuilding of America’s infrastructure, starting with accelerating the move to renewable energy. That would create jobs, reduce inequality, invest in research and new technology, help capture a lead in growing global markets and begin to address climate change. Tax income from investments at the same rate as income from work. Require global corporations to pay taxes at the same rates as domestic companies by ending deferral. Tax financial speculation to raise revenue and at least slow the destabilizing financial casino.

These and other common-sense ideas would raise revenue and support badly needed public investments that would create real jobs and growth while not fueling greater inequality. It won’t surprise you that none of them are on the table in the back room where Republicans are struggling to come up with a tax plan.

To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, there may be no words in the English language more scary than “a Republican president and Congress announce it is time for tax reform.”
Our so-called president is a total greedy moron. R... (show quote)


Hmm, my guess is you don't have an MBA, nor ever took a Macro Econ course. Seems like raising taxes is your answer to all problems. How much tax revenue do you want to wring out of the 'Rich', also what is your income range on the 'rich' because without defining your target, all this is just typical lefty whining.

So I'll wait for your details, if in fact there are any.

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Sep 7, 2017 21:06:31   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
ejrmaine wrote:
Hmm, my guess is you don't have an MBA, nor ever took a Macro Econ course. Seems like raising taxes is your answer to all problems. How much tax revenue do you want to wring out of the 'Rich', also what is your income range on the 'rich' because without defining your target, all this is just typical lefty whining.

So I'll wait for your details, if in fact there are any.


as long as we're going to keep a military and as long as people want and get services, there will need to be taxes, and they should be enough to pay for what we spend. Tax breaks to the poor have been shown to get spent rapidly and increase the size of the economy. Tax breaks to the rich have been shown to usually not change spending habits.

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