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The day of life and death in Nuremberg - Occupied Germany 1946
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Aug 21, 2017 22:20:20   #
BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas
 
Again thank you.

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Aug 21, 2017 23:22:07   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
Camlane wrote:
Richard, as usual, your posting is spot on and much appreciated. Your historical accuracy is above reproach.


Thank you so much, Camlane. I'm my own worst critic. I never write less than four drafts of these mini-essays before I post -- and sometimes a lot more before I'm satisfied.

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Aug 21, 2017 23:30:17   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Thanks! I just happened to think a couple of days ago that we hadn't received any stories from you recently.


Sorry about that, Jerry! Of course, I don't know how many essays I have left but I'll keep plugging because I enjoy writing now that I can't use my cameras anymore. I've been working for months on a very complex post that will probably run into three parts when finished. It deals with Operation Paperclip and the 1,700 Nazi scientists that our Military Intelligence brought into the U.S.illegally after WW II.

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Aug 22, 2017 01:14:54   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
elad wrote:
My favorite comments are the stories you post regarding WWII events. So often they are the stories not found in textbooks, and I love them. Thank you!


Many thanks for your appreciation, elad! There are many reasons why these facts were censored at the time -- and some would still be hidden if not for the Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA), signed (without a public event) by President Johnson in 1966. He appended a signing statement, "I sign this measure with a deep sense of pride that the United States is an open society." It had no enforcement provisions until the Watergate scandal and Nixon's defiance, which resulted in Congress introducing a lot of amendments that pried the access doors open for reporters and others. President Ford tried to shut them again with a veto but the House and Senate overrode him. In 1982 President Reagan issued an Executive Order to tighten the doors again, but in 1996 President Clinton signed the Electronic Information Act Amendments, which required agencies to make documents available in electronic formats and distributed digitally. Then it was President George W. Bush's turn to issue an Executive Order in 2001 zipping up access to presidential records. Finally, in 2007 Bush relented and signed the OPEN Government Act, praising it for extending crucial services to alternative journalists and bloggers. President Obama's administration, however, became more secretive. Who knows what President Trump has in mind?

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Aug 22, 2017 01:18:22   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
sr71 wrote:
Thanks again Richard!!! you've done it again.... educated me a little more.... thanks for the good read hope you put this into a ebook or other thanks again......


My goodness, sr71 --- four smilies! Well, many thanks for your comments. Much appreciated!

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Aug 22, 2017 01:19:55   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
phlash46 wrote:
Thank you Richard.


You're very welcome, phlash46!

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Aug 22, 2017 01:27:21   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
bthomas42 wrote:
I have seen photos of the the 10 that where hanged laying on tables afterward. While stationed in Germany in the 60's the person in charge of the post photo lab was a German photographer during the war, he had had a lot of candid shots of Hitler and others, along with the death shots.
He had the negatives and he let anyone that wanted too print copies of them, which I did about 150 pictures. we could also copy the negatives which I did.


Those portraits of the hanged Nazis laid in their coffins are available on several web sites of the Internet, if anybody is interested. Thank you for your comments, bthomas42! If they are not too gruesome, why not share some of the other photos from among the 150 you printed? Obviously, a lot of Hoggers are interested in the subject!

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Aug 22, 2017 01:30:51   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
blacks2 wrote:
Thank you so much Richard for that historic input. You have an amazing talent to record history. I was 14 years old at that time and all this more or less escaped me. Stay Well.


Hi, Mike! Glad to hear from you. I don't know about that "amazing talent" comment, but I guess I'll keep writing as long as people like to read my stuff. Take care, buddy!

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Aug 22, 2017 17:30:54   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
Bushpilot wrote:
Thanks again, I sure do enjoy you bringing history to us in this fashion.


Thank you for the compliment, Bushpilot! I'm happy to remind folks of the Military Occupation following WW II. It was a lot more than just atanding guard.

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Aug 22, 2017 19:03:31   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
rightofattila wrote:
The war crime trials were a farce. The Russians were just as guilty of many of the cited crimes as the Germans were. The Russians invaded Finland without provocation in 1938 (crimes against peace). When the Germans invaded Poland in 1939, the Poles set up a defense in depth in front of Warsaw. They thought they could stop the Germans at this line. Then the Poles found out that Russia had invaded Poland from the East. (More crimes against peace) When the Germans invaded Poland, the British and French immediately declared war on Germany. Why was there no declaration of war against Russia? The 10,000 Polish officers the Russians captured were executed in the Katyn Woods. (Crimes against humanity) The Soviets should have been in the defendant's docket right along with the Germans. And I will never know why we gave equal footing of any kind to the French. They lost the fight against the Germans and actually resisted (forcefully) the Allied landing in North Africa.
The war crime trials were a farce. The Russians w... (show quote)


Thanks for commenting, rightofattila. Last year, on May 8, 2016, I posted "Was the Nuremberg Tribunal a valid trial?" You'll see that the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, Harlan Fisk Stone, agrees with you. He wrote, "Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg. I don't mind what he does to the Nazis, but I hate to see the pretense that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas." Regarding your reservations about the French and the Russians, Justice Jackson made the following points to President Truman in 1945, about the upcoming Tribunal: "The Allies themselves have done or are doing some of the very things we are prosecuting the Germans for. The French are so vioating the Geneva Convention in the treatment of prisoners of war that our command is taking back prisoners sent to them. We are prosecuting plunder and our Allies are practicing it. We say aggressive war is a crime and one of our Allies asserts sovereignty over the Baltic states based on no title except conquest." The German lawyers in the Tribunal were prohibited from citing any of those points.

The Katyn Massacre took place in 1940, when America was officially neutral and Congress was predominently isolationist. We reportedly knew nothing about it at the time. When Russia invaded Finland, our sympathy was with the Finns, who unfortunately were assisted by the Nazis. Our main concern was to rebuild our armed forces. Our intelligence was pitiful, as shown when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and Hitler declared war on the U.S. a few days later. We enthusiastically supported the Soviets in their battles against the Nazi invaders. I mention all this because it is pertinent to your comment. I urge you (and anybody else interested in the subject) to click into an essay posted in 2007 by a 30-year veteran of the CIA (Benjamin B. Fischer): "The Katyn Controversy: Stalin's Killing Field." It's a 10-page review that pulls no punches and lists 30 references. Try this

www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art6.html

Or simply Google the title of the essay.

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Aug 22, 2017 19:34:56   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
shelty wrote:
What is strange to me, is that when I was in the service from November 1945, and in Germany from January 1946 to September 1948, and finally discharged in December 1948, the only time I heard that there was a Stars and Stripes newspaper was after I left the service.


Hi, Shelty! I too was in the occupation army, and I not only read the Stars and Stripes newspaper but even sent copies to my parents back in Pennsylvania, which explains why I now have some yellowed copies to scan and post here. The paper was not free; the price was five cents for the daily and ten cents for the Sunday "Weekend" edition. It was available in the magazine stand in the Post Exchange (PX). The "Stripes" was the "Unofficial Paper of U.S. Armed Forces in the European Theater" according to the front page header.

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Aug 22, 2017 19:39:44   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
Shelty, here's the masthead showing the makeuo of the Stars and Stripes when you and I were stationed in Occupied Germany in 1947.



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Aug 22, 2017 19:56:36   #
Cape Codder Loc: Cape Cod
 
Thanks again, Richard, for a wonderful history lesson. I have enjoyed all of your posts and was just thinking the other day that we had not heard from you in a while.

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Aug 22, 2017 20:50:19   #
RichardQ Loc: Colorado
 
sirlensalot wrote:
We should have listened and taken action on General Patton's advice to keep heading East after Russia was allowed to capture Berlin.


That's not quite accurate, I'm afraid. On May 7, 1945, Patton was hosting Under Secretary of War Patterson during a visit to the Spanish Imperial Riding Academy. Afterwards, Patton urged Patterson to stop the point system, stop breaking up the Armies and keep 30% of the battlewise troops at home on leave -- "Send us replacements and let us start training here, keeping our forces intact. Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to these people (the Russians). This the only language they understand and respect." Patton went on to describe the Russians as living off "chickens in their coops and cattle on the hoof." He predicted they would survive his fighting men for only five days. "After that it would make no difference how many million men they have, and if you wanted Moscow, I could give it to you." Of course, our European forces were being shipped Stateside for transfer to the Pacific and the invasion of Japan, which he didn't mention. Nobody, including Patton, knew about the atomic bomb. Unfortunately, his assessment of the Russians ignored their thousands of tanks which many regarded as superior to both the German and U.S. equipment. And if the American forces left Germany to attack Russia, who was going to occupy the Nazis? Besides, his idea of a swift aggressive attack on Russia without a Congressional Declaration of War would have been unconstitutional. In fact, it strongly resembled the Nazi tactics of 1941. Like Hitler's invasion army, Patton's army did not have winter gear appropriate for Russian weather. He knew it was bluster but he wanted to maintain his fighting image. In reality, he was planning a trip to China when his Occupation job was over.

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Aug 22, 2017 21:34:25   #
rockdog Loc: Berkeley, Ca.
 
RichardQ wrote:
Thank you, rockdog, much appreciated. I have to correct one thing -- I was in the occupation during thr Tribunal but I never actually witnessed it, because we were discouraged from traveling anywhere "in country" without authorization. This was due to friction between different forces. I was in the Army Air Force (AAF) but the various cities and towns were under units of the Third Army, so any airmen without papers could face arrest. I was threatened with arrest once while on a pass to Berchtesgaden in winter, because I was wearing an Air Force parka in the bitter cold. That was not an authorized uniform among the Infantry in those days. I can't claim first-hand experience in everything I write about, but I have plenty of reliable references to support the facts I report. I wish President Trump would be as precise.
Thank you, rockdog, much appreciated. I have to c... (show quote)


Hi Richard, I just found your response. Your need to correct the fine point of "actually witnessing" vs my comment of "first hand account" is a pleasant verification of your integrity and one of the reasons I admire your writing. You are what historians call a primary source, you were there!
You write with clarity and cogent purpose in each installment and it is clear I'm not the only one who values your posts. Thank you and be well my friend.
Phil

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