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Aug 18, 2017 13:35:22   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
burkphoto wrote:
There's that "buy" word again. Unless one hires a developer to write it, so one owns the rights to the code, one does not buy software. It is licensed. Please read the EULA (End User License Agreement) that comes with (or in) the software. The distinction is rather important, for it respects intellectual property.

And "set for life"? I assume you mean the life of the computer you install it onto, and the operating system that runs it.

I can remember buying a number of computers that became obsolete (unsupported) within five years. You reach a point where the hardware can no longer support the latest OS, or a point where the latest OS "breaks" the software, or a point where the software application developer no longer supports the OS you must use on your old hardware, or a point where the application developer just drops all support for an older version. For those reasons, I have several older computers and various versions of their operating systems, just so I can run old software and open old files for updates or printing documents to PDF (those old computers do not support modern printers).
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Like everything else, it depends on one's needs. I used to update PS all the time starting with Version three (I believe) that came on a few 3 1/2 floppies. My last update is CS5 from 2010. I have updated computers since then. One laptop died before I deactivated PS. I emailed customer service and explained and they added a license so I could do a fresh install. While I play around with other software because I enjoy it, CS5 is my daily editor. I batch convert files to DNG while I am doing something else.

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Aug 20, 2017 09:19:10   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
blackest wrote:
Ok there are no virtual copies you can only produce a jpeg in fact if you want to save any development work you have to produce a jpeg or a tiff. Can't sync edits. No lens corrections...

This is junk to be frank and the cost is the same as Lightroom pretty much with much less functionality.

It's a no from me, and to be fair there are better programs that are not Lightroom, it is better than mspaint but dxo on1 luminar darktable, raw therapee, lightzone are all better alternatives.
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This is all wrong. First, the programs you list as 'better alternatives than lightroom' are all editors, not catalogers.
ACDSee has development mode that saves edits without saving as a jpeg. It also has both perspective correction and lens distortion correction. My statement however was in response to
Lightroom being the best cataloger, and and I highly doubt that. Cataloging/managing photo's is super important for amateur photographers that have many thousands of personal photos that they want to be able to find easily, and ACDSee would be very difficult to beat from that perspective, whilst being no slouch in it's editing capabilities either. If you would like to list the cataloging features that make Lightroom "unsurpassed" I'm all ears, but try to be more accurate than you were in your misinformation related to editing.

To be frank, if you want to call it "junk" you should have a clue what you are talking about, and you don't.

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Aug 20, 2017 09:34:46   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
burkphoto wrote:
There's that "buy" word again. Unless one hires a developer to write it, so one owns the rights to the code, one does not buy software. It is licensed. Please read the EULA (End User License Agreement) that comes with (or in) the software. The distinction is rather important, for it respects intellectual property.

Not important to me. There is a significant difference between paying monthly fee (rent) to use a program and buying the right to use it forever.
burkphoto wrote:
And "set for life"? I assume you mean the life of the computer you install it onto, and the operating system that runs it.

While you make a point, it is not all that big a deal in the scheme of monthly fee vs a one time purchase. Naturally todays software wouldn't run on my old PCXT, but neither would PS, and eventually, PS upgrades will force you to buy new hardware, or do you think Adobe will make their rentalware work on my IBMPCXT?

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Aug 20, 2017 10:54:34   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
BigDaddy wrote:
This is all wrong. First, the programs you list as 'better alternatives than lightroom' are all editors, not catalogers.
ACDSee has development mode that saves edits without saving as a jpeg. It also has both perspective correction and lens distortion correction. My statement however was in response to
Lightroom being the best cataloger, and and I highly doubt that. Cataloging/managing photo's is super important for amateur photographers that have many thousands of personal photos that they want to be able to find easily, and ACDSee would be very difficult to beat from that perspective, whilst being no slouch in it's editing capabilities either. If you would like to list the cataloging features that make Lightroom "unsurpassed" I'm all ears, but try to be more accurate than you were in your misinformation related to editing.

To be frank, if you want to call it "junk" you should have a clue what you are talking about, and you don't.
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There are better alternatives than ACDSee , that are not lightroom. I downloaded the ACDSee beta and found it to be pathetic, I will stick with lightroom. To buy ACDSee would cost me more than upgrading lightroom and it just isn't worth it, over priced and underpowered.

https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-photo-studio-mac/download

Go there download it. I tried it found it hopeless. Maybe someone else will find it better.

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Aug 21, 2017 13:33:17   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
blackest wrote:
There are better alternatives than ACDSee , that are not lightroom. I downloaded the ACDSee beta and found it to be pathetic, I will stick with lightroom. To buy ACDSee would cost me more than upgrading lightroom and it just isn't worth it, over priced and underpowered.

https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-photo-studio-mac/download

Go there download it. I tried it found it hopeless. Maybe someone else will find it better.


Don't know about any beta versions, I use Windows versions not Mac beta versions and didn't realize they even had Mac beta versions.
At any rate, use whatever you want, but I wouldn't recommend anyone use a beta version of anything unless they were computer literate and looking for trouble, which is what beta software is all about.

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