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Aug 14, 2017 12:48:56   #
blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire
 
I photograph an open mike night at our local restaurant on Thursday evenings. I created a Facebook page for that event so that those folks who perform have a way to see and download the images if the so desire. My question is something strange happened to me last Thursday eve. So I am shooting with a D810 with the 28 -70 f2.8 lens. I set the camera up for ISO 12800 and the lens at 2.8. Most shots are around 5 to 7 feet away. Did I mention this is a dark venue and I do not use flash. All my images were very dark. Throughout the evening I tried several settings and got frustrated and set the camera on Automatic and bingo the images became useful. The camera chose the same ISO I had and of course I kept the lens at 2.8. Is the camera smarter than me, apparently so. Just wondering if any of you experienced this same type of problem. Sorry I do not have any photos here at work. But if you are interested and want to look they are on Facebook "Common Man Open Mike Night Thursdays"

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Aug 14, 2017 12:54:51   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
How do you put a D810 in "automatic", it does not offer Auto mode?

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Aug 14, 2017 13:13:12   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Maybe he thinks "A" mode is auto instead of aperture?

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Aug 14, 2017 13:21:16   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
OddJobber wrote:
Maybe he thinks "A" mode is auto instead of aperture?


I sometimes use super auto on my 810. "S."

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Aug 14, 2017 13:48:59   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Given you don't know what happened and you have the camera and images physically available to you, we'll probably have difficulty in guessing from your description and limited understanding of the events being described ... You'll get a better response if you post an example of a dark one, with store original with the EXIF data included in the file. My guess is you have the exposure compensation set incorrectly but who really knows without seeing an example and the exposure data in the digital file.

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Aug 14, 2017 13:59:11   #
BebuLamar
 
My guess is that your shutter speed was set too high. When in A the camera slow down the shutter speed.

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Aug 14, 2017 14:18:06   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
BebuLamar wrote:
My guess is that your shutter speed was set too high. When in A the camera slow down the shutter speed.


Sounds reasonable!

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Aug 14, 2017 16:32:05   #
blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire
 
"I have been using the D810 for almost three years. I always thought the "A" was for auto! I normally do all my settings in manual mode. I read the available light and adjust as needed. Plus I do shoot in RAW. But even in RAW you cannot save a underexposed photograph to a very good degree... When I get home this evening I will post the photos I just don't have them here at work.

Thank you for the comments. We can always learn something new everyday...

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Aug 14, 2017 16:37:59   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
blue-ultra wrote:
"I have been using the D810 for almost three years. I always thought the "A" was for auto! I normally do all my settings in manual mode. I read the available light and adjust as needed. Plus I do shoot in RAW. But even in RAW you cannot save a underexposed photograph to a very good degree... When I get home this evening I will post the photos I just don't have them here at work.

Thank you for the comments. We can always learn something new everyday...


Lots of us read the manual very thoroughly.

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Aug 14, 2017 16:39:22   #
blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire
 
BebuLamar wrote:
My guess is that your shutter speed was set too high. When in A the camera slow down the shutter speed.


I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and allow the camera to override that with the max of 12800.
Still too dark. I feel a little dumb not knowing the "A" is not auto. Probably should read the manual. I had moved from the D300 to the 810 thinking the setting were the same. In good light everything is good in poor light, well, not so much.

BTW This is a tough crowd


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Aug 14, 2017 16:41:37   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
blue-ultra wrote:
I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and allow the camera to override that with the max of 12800.
Still too dark. I feel a little dumb not knowing the "A" is not auto. Probably should read the manual. I had moved from the D300 to the 810 thinking the setting were the same. In good light everything is good in poor light, well, not so much.

BTW This is a tough crowd

I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and all... (show quote)


Some of us won't stop and ask for driving directions either!

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Aug 14, 2017 16:54:04   #
BebuLamar
 
blue-ultra wrote:
I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and allow the camera to override that with the max of 12800.
Still too dark. I feel a little dumb not knowing the "A" is not auto. Probably should read the manual. I had moved from the D300 to the 810 thinking the setting were the same. In good light everything is good in poor light, well, not so much.

BTW This is a tough crowd

I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and all... (show quote)


Shutter speed is not ISO. At ISO 12800 and f/2.8 if the shutter speed is 1/4000 then it's too dark. I estimate the right setting would be 1/500, f/2.8, ISO12800.

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Aug 14, 2017 17:15:58   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
blue-ultra wrote:
I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and allow the camera to override that with the max of 12800.
Still too dark. I feel a little dumb not knowing the "A" is not auto. Probably should read the manual. I had moved from the D300 to the 810 thinking the setting were the same. In good light everything is good in poor light, well, not so much.

BTW This is a tough crowd

I did try to set the shutter speed at 4000 and all... (show quote)


I hate to break it to you, but the setting are the same. On both cameras "A" is aperture preferred meaning you set the aperture, "S" is shutter preferred meaning you set the shutter speed, "P" is program mode which sets aperture and shutter speed. On the D810 I believe you can also choose auto ISO. These are all "Auto" modes. A & S are not fully automatic.

As mentioned, setting a shutter speed of 1/4000 was your problem. When you went to "A" and set the aperture to F/2.8, what shutter speed did the camera choose?

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Aug 14, 2017 20:51:06   #
blue-ultra Loc: New Hampshire
 
Bill_de wrote:
I hate to break it to you, but the setting are the same. On both cameras "A" is aperture preferred meaning you set the aperture, "S" is shutter preferred meaning you set the shutter speed, "P" is program mode which sets aperture and shutter speed. On the D810 I believe you can also choose auto ISO. These are all "Auto" modes. A & S are not fully automatic.

As mentioned, setting a shutter speed of 1/4000 was your problem. When you went to "A" and set the aperture to F/2.8, what shutter speed did the camera choose?

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I hate to break it to you, but the setting are the... (show quote)


OK Here are two example of the issue. Both were shot with the same light in basically the same location. The first one (dark) was shot with Aperture mode at ISO 12800 at f2.8. The second one was shot with the same settings but in "M" mode. Both were PP in LR as I could not up load the RAW files as my IT speed is not very good here (DSL). I believe both shots were at 70mm. The third shot is at about 28mm. same settings.


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Aug 14, 2017 20:51:26   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
OddJobber wrote:
Maybe he thinks "A" mode is auto instead of aperture?
He'd better stay away from the P(rofessional) shooting mode on the camera ...

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