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Jul 15, 2017 22:48:52   #
Reinaldokool Loc: San Rafael, CA
 
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. Generally not worthwhile to carry all that extra weight and price since I get excellent results from the aps-c sensor.

But, I just got the chance to try out the Sony a7r. It is light and even with an FE lens is not too bulky. Still not worth changing at this point, but when Sony comes out with a successor, I may consider it. My a6300 does a great job so I'm not anxious to spend money, but I have been thinking about considering the successor to the a6500 whenever Sony puts one out. However, that's probably another year or so and by then they may have done something more with the a7 line.

Of course, by then who knows what Fuji will do. They are the only other people in the game. NiCan both claim they are moving to improve their MILC offerings but I think they are both miles behind.

After all my years of Nikon and Canon and Pentax, I still am amazed that I'm shooting Sony. But my a6300 has actually made some money for me--and I'm not even trying to sell.

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Jul 15, 2017 23:51:46   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
OK. Good luck.

Dennis

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Jul 16, 2017 00:24:37   #
chaman
 
Whatever.

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Jul 16, 2017 01:19:01   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
chaman wrote:
Whatever.


Good point...

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Jul 16, 2017 01:52:41   #
Leitz Loc: Solms
 
I have both formats, and can get as lousy compositions with one as with the other!

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Jul 16, 2017 06:07:23   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. Generally not worthwhile to carry all that extra weight and price since I get excellent results from the aps-c sensor.

But, I just got the chance to try out the Sony a7r. It is light and even with an FE lens is not too bulky. Still not worth changing at this point, but when Sony comes out with a successor, I may consider it. My a6300 does a great job so I'm not anxious to spend money, but I have been thinking about considering the successor to the a6500 whenever Sony puts one out. However, that's probably another year or so and by then they may have done something more with the a7 line.

Of course, by then who knows what Fuji will do. They are the only other people in the game. NiCan both claim they are moving to improve their MILC offerings but I think they are both miles behind.

After all my years of Nikon and Canon and Pentax, I still am amazed that I'm shooting Sony. But my a6300 has actually made some money for me--and I'm not even trying to sell.
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. General... (show quote)


I like my Sony A6000, but when I put the Tamron 18-200mm lens on it, it's no longer very compact. Someone has to develop a compact version of the Nikon P900.

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Jul 16, 2017 07:29:01   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. Generally not worthwhile to carry all that extra weight and price since I get excellent results from the aps-c sensor.

But, I just got the chance to try out the Sony a7r. It is light and even with an FE lens is not too bulky. Still not worth changing at this point, but when Sony comes out with a successor, I may consider it. My a6300 does a great job so I'm not anxious to spend money, but I have been thinking about considering the successor to the a6500 whenever Sony puts one out. However, that's probably another year or so and by then they may have done something more with the a7 line.

Of course, by then who knows what Fuji will do. They are the only other people in the game. NiCan both claim they are moving to improve their MILC offerings but I think they are both miles behind.

After all my years of Nikon and Canon and Pentax, I still am amazed that I'm shooting Sony. But my a6300 has actually made some money for me--and I'm not even trying to sell.
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. General... (show quote)


It's only a matter of time before all the mirrorless manufacturers have FF. All the R&D money is in the new technology.

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Jul 16, 2017 08:11:34   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
pithydoug wrote:
It's only a matter of time before all the mirrorless manufacturers have FF. All the R&D money is in the new technology.


I have repeated this many times here. Mirrorless seems to be the future.
I use Olympus cameras with a sensor slightly smaller than an APS sensor but I cannot say that image quality is not up there. I am very satisfied with the quality I get with good lenses.
I have no means to know if Olympus is working on a full frame mirrorless body. All their lenses were developed for the present sensor so a full frame will mean a significant change for the company since they will have to begin to manufacture optics for the full frame body. I believe they are pretty good the way they are now.
Sony has been very successful with their cameras and I believe they have now a better assortment of lenses for them. I am not very familiar with Fuji so I will not make any comments.
Within a year there will be better cameras, regardless of manufacturer. I keep on saying that to me an old camera that performs well is an asset. In my particular case I do not need a new camera in my photography and I am sure it will not change the majority of the photographs I am making now.
Good luck to you.

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Jul 16, 2017 09:02:40   #
BebuLamar
 
camerapapi wrote:
I have repeated this many times here. Mirrorless seems to be the future.
I use Olympus cameras with a sensor slightly smaller than an APS sensor but I cannot say that image quality is not up there. I am very satisfied with the quality I get with good lenses.
I have no means to know if Olympus is working on a full frame mirrorless body. All their lenses were developed for the present sensor so a full frame will mean a significant change for the company since they will have to begin to manufacture optics for the full frame body. I believe they are pretty good the way they are now.
Sony has been very successful with their cameras and I believe they have now a better assortment of lenses for them. I am not very familiar with Fuji so I will not make any comments.
Within a year there will be better cameras, regardless of manufacturer. I keep on saying that to me an old camera that performs well is an asset. In my particular case I do not need a new camera in my photography and I am sure it will not change the majority of the photographs I am making now.
Good luck to you.
I have repeated this many times here. Mirrorless s... (show quote)


I don't think the manufacturers that make M4/3 would introduce FF because M4/3 is Full Frame. A small format yes but full frame.

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Jul 16, 2017 09:34:15   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. Generally not worthwhile to carry all that extra weight and price since I get excellent results from the aps-c sensor.

But, I just got the chance to try out the Sony a7r. It is light and even with an FE lens is not too bulky. Still not worth changing at this point, but when Sony comes out with a successor, I may consider it. My a6300 does a great job so I'm not anxious to spend money, but I have been thinking about considering the successor to the a6500 whenever Sony puts one out. However, that's probably another year or so and by then they may have done something more with the a7 line.

Of course, by then who knows what Fuji will do. They are the only other people in the game. NiCan both claim they are moving to improve their MILC offerings but I think they are both miles behind.

After all my years of Nikon and Canon and Pentax, I still am amazed that I'm shooting Sony. But my a6300 has actually made some money for me--and I'm not even trying to sell.
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. General... (show quote)


I use FF for landscape and cropped sensor for wildlife, I get the best of both worlds.

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Jul 16, 2017 09:53:11   #
mrpentaxk5ii
 
The biggest problem people have brought up, is not the Sony 7 series camera, but the lens that are used, while the body is smaller than a normal full frame dslr, the lens size is about the same. Problem that this causes is that some feel that not much is gained size wise and the camera dose not balance well with a larger lense. The new Sony 9 series is some what larger in camera size, but at a price of 4,000$ puts it out of range of most buyers.

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Jul 16, 2017 19:31:20   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. Generally not worthwhile to carry all that extra weight and price since I get excellent results from the aps-c sensor.

But, I just got the chance to try out the Sony a7r. It is light and even with an FE lens is not too bulky. Still not worth changing at this point, but when Sony comes out with a successor, I may consider it. My a6300 does a great job so I'm not anxious to spend money, but I have been thinking about considering the successor to the a6500 whenever Sony puts one out. However, that's probably another year or so and by then they may have done something more with the a7 line.

Of course, by then who knows what Fuji will do. They are the only other people in the game. NiCan both claim they are moving to improve their MILC offerings but I think they are both miles behind.

After all my years of Nikon and Canon and Pentax, I still am amazed that I'm shooting Sony. But my a6300 has actually made some money for me--and I'm not even trying to sell.
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. General... (show quote)


Why settle for mere full frame?

Fuji recently introduced the first mirrorless medium format camera. The GFX is a 50+MP camera with a 44x33mm sensor. That's approx. 60% larger than a FF camera.

So far Fuji has only introduced around 5 G-series lenses specifically for the camera.... but they also offer an adapter to use Hasselblad H-mount lenses. I suspect there will be other adapters to allow various medium format lenses to be used on the camera added later.... if not by Fuji, then by some other manufacturers.

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Jul 16, 2017 19:39:12   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Someone has to develop a compact version of the Nikon P900.
How would they do that? Isn't most of the thickness that lens telescoped into itself several times??

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Jul 16, 2017 22:00:36   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
amfoto1 wrote:
Why settle for mere full frame?

Fuji recently introduced the first mirrorless medium format camera. The GFX is a 50+MP camera with a 44x33mm sensor. That's approx. 60% larger than a FF camera.

So far Fuji has only introduced around 5 G-series lenses specifically for the camera.... but they also offer an adapter to use Hasselblad H-mount lenses. I suspect there will be other adapters to allow various medium format lenses to be used on the camera added later.... if not by Fuji, then by some other manufacturers.
Why settle for mere full frame? br br Fuji recent... (show quote)


For me, if I had to choose, I would go for the Nikon d5 cause of my lens collection. And since they are the same price, it would be an easy choice.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1283336-REG/fujifilm_gfx_50s_medium_format.html?sts=pi

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Jul 16, 2017 22:11:13   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Reinaldokool wrote:
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. Generally not worthwhile to carry all that extra weight and price since I get excellent results from the aps-c sensor.

But, I just got the chance to try out the Sony a7r. It is light and even with an FE lens is not too bulky. Still not worth changing at this point, but when Sony comes out with a successor, I may consider it. My a6300 does a great job so I'm not anxious to spend money, but I have been thinking about considering the successor to the a6500 whenever Sony puts one out. However, that's probably another year or so and by then they may have done something more with the a7 line.

Of course, by then who knows what Fuji will do. They are the only other people in the game. NiCan both claim they are moving to improve their MILC offerings but I think they are both miles behind.

After all my years of Nikon and Canon and Pentax, I still am amazed that I'm shooting Sony. But my a6300 has actually made some money for me--and I'm not even trying to sell.
I'm pretty disdainful of the 35mm sensors. General... (show quote)


I would suggest that what made you money was the image and your skill - not the camera. Bet they didn't say, "Oh, this is from a Sony! I'll take it."

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