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Jul 14, 2017 00:59:28   #
Bobnewnan
 
I've been on a number of workshops since retirement and got some great pictures and training. But I ran into something different 'this week.
Paid my deposit and waited. Received the invoice and noted that I was charged for a single. Hadn't been asked and didn't want a single so when I paid the invoice I just deducted the single charge. Within a day got a reply that my payment was short and he noticed it was equal to the single charge. Wrote back and said I didn't want the single but I would get a check in the mail tomorrow.
Well he hit the roof and ranted he had never had a client like me and since I hadn't paid the full charge by the 90 day deadline, my reservation was cancelled, my credit card deposit refunded and my final check was voided (with a picture of the voided check) Said I should have said something when I got the invoice and implied it was my fault. Well, yes,
It was my misunderstanding, I didn't ask for a single so didn't expect to pay for one. Cost me the air fare and trip insurance but I've never run into someone with such a burr under his saddle. Sort of figured some buddy wanted to go on that workshop so he just dropped me and got his buddy. Probably better off for me, we'd probably spent to much time arguing about shutter speeds and f-stops! Lesson learned, read the invoice very carefully and know what you are buying.(that applies to anything)

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Jul 14, 2017 03:57:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Bobnewnan wrote:
I've been on a number of workshops since retirement and got some great pictures and training. But I ran into something different 'this week.
Paid my deposit and waited. Received the invoice and noted that I was charged for a single. Hadn't been asked and didn't want a single so when I paid the invoice I just deducted the single charge. Within a day got a reply that my payment was short and he noticed it was equal to the single charge. Wrote back and said I didn't want the single but I would get a check in the mail tomorrow.
Well he hit the roof and ranted he had never had a client like me and since I hadn't paid the full charge by the 90 day deadline, my reservation was cancelled, my credit card deposit refunded and my final check was voided (with a picture of the voided check) Said I should have said something when I got the invoice and implied it was my fault. Well, yes,
It was my misunderstanding, I didn't ask for a single so didn't expect to pay for one. Cost me the air fare and trip insurance but I've never run into someone with such a burr under his saddle. Sort of figured some buddy wanted to go on that workshop so he just dropped me and got his buddy. Probably better off for me, we'd probably spent to much time arguing about shutter speeds and f-stops! Lesson learned, read the invoice very carefully and know what you are buying.(that applies to anything)
I've been on a number of workshops since retiremen... (show quote)


You'd probably learn more here on the Ugly Hedgehog!

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Jul 15, 2017 05:40:42   #
srodday Loc: Mass
 
That's unusual. Most instructors assume you want to double unless you explicitly ask for a single. Weird! Other than the money lost, best not to have gone. Sounds like anything could have set him off.

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Jul 15, 2017 06:19:54   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
Bobnewnan wrote:
I've been on a number of workshops since retirement and got some great pictures and training. But I ran into something different 'this week.
Paid my deposit and waited. Received the invoice and noted that I was charged for a single. Hadn't been asked and didn't want a single so when I paid the invoice I just deducted the single charge. Within a day got a reply that my payment was short and he noticed it was equal to the single charge. Wrote back and said I didn't want the single but I would get a check in the mail tomorrow.
Well he hit the roof and ranted he had never had a client like me and since I hadn't paid the full charge by the 90 day deadline, my reservation was cancelled, my credit card deposit refunded and my final check was voided (with a picture of the voided check) Said I should have said something when I got the invoice and implied it was my fault. Well, yes,
It was my misunderstanding, I didn't ask for a single so didn't expect to pay for one. Cost me the air fare and trip insurance but I've never run into someone with such a burr under his saddle. Sort of figured some buddy wanted to go on that workshop so he just dropped me and got his buddy. Probably better off for me, we'd probably spent to much time arguing about shutter speeds and f-stops! Lesson learned, read the invoice very carefully and know what you are buying.(that applies to anything)
I've been on a number of workshops since retiremen... (show quote)

You would be doing a service to other potential workshop participants by supplying the name of the workshop.

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Jul 15, 2017 06:51:40   #
salmander
 
berchman wrote:
You would be doing a service to other potential workshop participants by supplying the name of the workshop.


I agree. This is important. This is a workshop to avoid at all costs (no pun intended). Informing us about what workshop this is might save someone else a lot of grief.

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Jul 15, 2017 07:06:26   #
gwong1 Loc: Tampa, FL
 
So, Who should we avoid?

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Jul 15, 2017 07:09:07   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
berchman wrote:
You would be doing a service to other potential workshop participants by supplying the name of the workshop.



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Jul 15, 2017 07:12:37   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Bobnewnan wrote:
I've been on a number of workshops since retirement and got some great pictures and training. But I ran into something different 'this week.
Paid my deposit and waited. Received the invoice and noted that I was charged for a single. Hadn't been asked and didn't want a single so when I paid the invoice I just deducted the single charge. Within a day got a reply that my payment was short and he noticed it was equal to the single charge. Wrote back and said I didn't want the single but I would get a check in the mail tomorrow.
Well he hit the roof and ranted he had never had a client like me and since I hadn't paid the full charge by the 90 day deadline, my reservation was cancelled, my credit card deposit refunded and my final check was voided (with a picture of the voided check) Said I should have said something when I got the invoice and implied it was my fault. Well, yes,
It was my misunderstanding, I didn't ask for a single so didn't expect to pay for one. Cost me the air fare and trip insurance but I've never run into someone with such a burr under his saddle. Sort of figured some buddy wanted to go on that workshop so he just dropped me and got his buddy. Probably better off for me, we'd probably spent to much time arguing about shutter speeds and f-stops! Lesson learned, read the invoice very carefully and know what you are buying.(that applies to anything)
I've been on a number of workshops since retiremen... (show quote)


By "single," do you mean a hotel room? It seems their reaction was ridiculous. People who are in business should know how to deal with customers.

I've stopped going to workshops because of their limited value to me, although I am signed up for a dawn to night local workshop. It's entirely outside, shooting.

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Jul 15, 2017 07:30:16   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
A few years ago I attended a workshop in NYC by Steve McCurry. It was so bad that I wrote an accurate devastating review of it which I posted on photo.net. In my review I compared it in detail to a well-designed and run workshop by Neil van Niekerk. McCurry's sister, who was the business manager of his workshops, offered to refund my money. I accepted. McCurry is a great photographer but he is not a teacher.

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Jul 15, 2017 07:36:32   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
berchman wrote:
A few years ago I attended a workshop in NYC by Steve McCurry. It was so bad that I wrote an accurate devastating review of it which I posted on photo.net. In my review I compared it in detail to a well-designed and run workshop by Neil van Niekerk. McCurry's sister, who was the business manager of his workshops, offered to refund my money. I accepted. McCurry is a great photographer but he is not a teacher.


Right. I've been to camera and computer events where the presenter seemed to ramble and use up minutes offering us nothing more than his ramblings. Hands-on outdoor workshops have worked for me, so I'm looking forward to the next one.

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Jul 15, 2017 08:13:59   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Bobnewnan wrote:
I've been on a number of workshops since retirement and got some great pictures and training. But I ran into something different 'this week.
Paid my deposit and waited. Received the invoice and noted that I was charged for a single. Hadn't been asked and didn't want a single so when I paid the invoice I just deducted the single charge. Within a day got a reply that my payment was short and he noticed it was equal to the single charge. Wrote back and said I didn't want the single but I would get a check in the mail tomorrow.
Well he hit the roof and ranted he had never had a client like me and since I hadn't paid the full charge by the 90 day deadline, my reservation was cancelled, my credit card deposit refunded and my final check was voided (with a picture of the voided check) Said I should have said something when I got the invoice and implied it was my fault. Well, yes,
It was my misunderstanding, I didn't ask for a single so didn't expect to pay for one. Cost me the air fare and trip insurance but I've never run into someone with such a burr under his saddle. Sort of figured some buddy wanted to go on that workshop so he just dropped me and got his buddy. Probably better off for me, we'd probably spent to much time arguing about shutter speeds and f-stops! Lesson learned, read the invoice very carefully and know what you are buying.(that applies to anything)
I've been on a number of workshops since retiremen... (show quote)


OK, I'm stupid. What the heck is a single?

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Jul 15, 2017 08:22:39   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
leftj wrote:
OK, I'm stupid. What the heck is a single?


One half of a double.

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Jul 15, 2017 08:23:31   #
berchman Loc: South Central PA
 
leftj wrote:
OK, I'm stupid. What the heck is a single?


It's the extra fee charged if you are going to occupy a hotel room by yourself and not with a roommate (a double).

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Jul 15, 2017 08:25:32   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
berchman wrote:
It's the extra fee charged if you are going to occupy a hotel room by yourself and not with a roommate (a double).


So how is it there was an over charge if it's one half of a double?

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Jul 15, 2017 08:27:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
leftj wrote:
So how is it there was an over charge if it's one half of a double?


We need more details. Prices are usually set at the double rate - two people in a room. If only one person will be paying, then they usually charge a lot more because they are losing the amount the second person would pay for the workshop.

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