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Jun 30, 2017 10:47:41   #
aflundi Loc: Albuquerque, NM
 
I know MTFs are somewhat "flexible", but it just occurred to me that I don't remember ever seeing if there is a wavelength requirement. Specifically, when the MTF is calculated, is it, or can it be done with a narrow frequency band, or is there a "requirement" that a flat white light including the entire visible frequency band be used?

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Jun 30, 2017 11:07:10   #
cyclespeed Loc: Calgary, Alberta Canada
 
Might I inquire, what is yet another acromy's meaning? MTF?

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Jun 30, 2017 11:11:59   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
cyclespeed wrote:
Might I inquire, what is yet another acromy's meaning? MTF?



http://www.normankoren.com/Tutorials/MTF.html

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Jun 30, 2017 11:12:04   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
"Micro Four Thirds", but the OP should have spelled it out.

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Jun 30, 2017 11:12:27   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
rjaywallace wrote:
"Micro Four Thirds", but the OP should have spelled it out.


Not in this case.

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Jun 30, 2017 11:14:21   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
Cdouthitt wrote:
Not in this case.


Aha! An arcane mutiny...
Again, the OP might have had the courtesy not to assume we would all know what was being referred to.

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Jun 30, 2017 11:34:40   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
rjaywallace wrote:
Aha! An arcane mutiny...
Again, the OP might have had the courtesy not to assume we would all know what was being referred to.


Pretty much is a scientific method of determining how sharp you can get an image, obviously that would be at the focal plane will be less as you move away from it. If you are designing a lens it would be of interest, if you are designing integrated circuits it matters, if you want to take photographs not so much.

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Jun 30, 2017 12:13:11   #
rcdovala
 
MTF is an acronym for Modulation Transfer Function.

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Jun 30, 2017 12:18:32   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
Modulation transfer function. MTF, not MFT.

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Jun 30, 2017 13:14:15   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
blackest wrote:
... if you want to take photographs not so much.

Actually it make one Hell of a lot of difference to a knowledgeable photographer when choosing which lenses to buy in the first place! It shows how sharp a lense is across the sensor and in the corners. It shows how contrasty a lens is too, and how much astigmatism there is.

If you buy kit lenses and find them "tack sharp" then MTF charts won't mean much. If you want the highest IQ possible you need to carefully compare alternative lenses.

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Jun 30, 2017 13:52:39   #
speters Loc: Grangeville/Idaho
 
Apaflo wrote:
Actually it make one Hell of a lot of difference to a knowledgeable photographer when choosing which lenses to buy in the first place! It shows how sharp a lense is across the sensor and in the corners. It shows how contrasty a lens is too, and how much astigmatism there is.

If you buy kit lenses and find them "tack sharp" then MTF charts won't mean much. If you want the highest IQ possible you need to carefully compare alternative lenses.




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Jun 30, 2017 14:18:24   #
blackest Loc: Ireland
 
Apaflo wrote:
Actually it make one Hell of a lot of difference to a knowledgeable photographer when choosing which lenses to buy in the first place! It shows how sharp a lense is across the sensor and in the corners. It shows how contrasty a lens is too, and how much astigmatism there is.

If you buy kit lenses and find them "tack sharp" then MTF charts won't mean much. If you want the highest IQ possible you need to carefully compare alternative lenses.


Any vintage lens won't have the data, so that leaves a pool of lens some of which will fit your camera some of which will have the focal length you are looking for and some will have the f-stop you want as well. If you are looking at canon an Ef-L lens is better than an EF lens which also coinsides with price. Generally a zoom lens is better with a shorter range than longer and prime lenses tend to be better still. Once you have narrowed the field down to those basic characteristics you usually have a handful of options. you can read reviews and comparisons.

But better lenses does not equal better photographs If you cannot figure how best to use the light and compose the photo, how much sharper it is doesn't mean a thing. If you can't hold the camera steady enough then even the sharpest lens is going to be blurred.

You could have one of the worlds best cameras and without the talent and skill to use it, it is just wasted.

Better photographic equipment does not equal better photographs, just ask Brooklyn Beckham.

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Jun 30, 2017 15:35:48   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
blackest wrote:
Better photographic equipment does not equal better photographs, just ask Brooklyn Beckham.

Perhaps not for a beginner, but for a knowledgeable photographer better equipment is what separates them from the pack. A journeyman photographer (never mind a master photographer) knows MTF charts and obtains the best equipment for the job. A beginner may not even see the differences that result in consistantly exquisite work as opposed to random effects.

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Jul 1, 2017 05:42:59   #
cthahn
 
Do not know what you are talking about.

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Jul 1, 2017 06:36:11   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
aflundi wrote:
I know MTFs are somewhat "flexible", but it just occurred to me that I don't remember ever seeing if there is a wavelength requirement. Specifically, when the MTF is calculated, is it, or can it be done with a narrow frequency band, or is there a "requirement" that a flat white light including the entire visible frequency band be used?


Yes, sometimes, words are better than letters. "MTF" and "MFT" are very similar but completely different in meaning.

https://spie.org/publications/tt52_131_modulation_transfer_function
https://www.outdoorphotographer.com/photography-gear/cameras/advantages-micro-four-thirds/

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